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Regco Orders 10 Q400s...Gets Ready For Launch  
User currently offlineYow From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (8 years 6 months 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 5216 times:

The long talked about YTZ-based airline has officially placed an order with BBD for 10 Dash 8 Q400s. I guess they've figured out a way to work this thing without a bridge to the mainland.

TORONTO, Feb. 1 /CNW/ - REGCO Holdings Inc. today announced it has placed
a firm order with Bombardier Aerospace for 10 Q400 turboprop aircraft. The
total contract, which includes an option to purchase an additional 10
aircraft, is valued at more than $500 million (US).

REGCO will operate from Toronto City Centre Airport (TCCA), and plans to
serve regional markets both in Canada and the United States. The 70-seat Q400 fleet will be operated by a wholly-owned airline subsidiary of REGCO Holdings Inc.

The Q400 is a modern and environmentally-friendly aircraft, employing
state-of-the-art equipment and technology. It is capable of steep approach and reduced engine RPM landings to minimize operating noise. It is also the most fuel-efficient aircraft in its class, burning less fuel per seat than most
regional jets and narrow-bodied aircraft. The Q400 aircraft's revolutionary
Noise and Vibration Suppression (NVS) system results in the quietest turboprop
interior in the industry.

"This order is a sign of REGCO's commitment to developing a leading
regional airline focused on delivering competitive, quality air service," said
Robert Deluce, President and CEO of REGCO Holdings Inc. "We are confident that the Q400 is the perfect plane to allow our airline to bring substantial
economic benefits to the city and contribute to a revitalized Toronto City
Centre Airport."

REGCO will formally launch its wholly-owned airline subsidiary tomorrow
during a signing ceremony at Bombardier Aerospace, where it will unveil
additional details including the airline's name, logo, livery, operational
plans and investors.

Further information will be provided at tomorrow's event. The details are
as follows:

When: Thursday, February 2, 2006
10:30 a.m.

Anyone want to take a stab at what the airline's name will be. My guess, for no particular reason, is Island Air.  Smile

Wasn't Deluce the guy behind City Express back in the 80s?

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User currently offlineCRJ900 From Norway, joined Jun 2004, 2173 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (8 years 6 months 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 5120 times:
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Always nice to see some more orders. Is there really enough demand for another airline flying from Toronto? I thought the Canadian-US aviation market was pretty saturated by now with hoards of carriers large and small... no?


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User currently offlinePlanemaker From Tuvalu, joined Aug 2003, 6126 posts, RR: 34
Reply 2, posted (8 years 6 months 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 5081 times:

Quoting Yow (Thread starter):
Wasn't Deluce the guy behind City Express back in the 80s?

It was Victor Pappalardo and City Express flew between Montreal, Toronto and Ottawa. Pappalardo owns Trans Capital Air and still has a hanger at YTZ, the Esso FBO and several Dash-7s that mainly fly for the UN.



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User currently offlineOlympus69 From Canada, joined Jun 2002, 1737 posts, RR: 7
Reply 3, posted (8 years 6 months 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 5024 times:

The CBC had this on their 'News at 6'. Mayor David 'Daley' Miller was vowing to do everything he could to prevent Robert Luce's airline from getting off the ground. He may hav a hard time with half a billion dollars for Toronto's economy at stake.

User currently offlineAeronut From Canada, joined Jan 2006, 137 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (8 years 6 months 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 4977 times:

Quoting Olympus69 (Reply 3):
The CBC had this on their 'News at 6'. Mayor David 'Daley' Miller was vowing to do everything he could to prevent Robert Luce's airline from getting off the ground. He may hav a hard time with half a billion dollars for Toronto's economy at stake.

If I am not mistaken, I do not think David Miller was able to stop him from buying the planes and operating out of the airport, he was only to stop the construction of the bridge which would be needed for fire access as well as added pressure on the ferry service. I missed the news tonight, is the bridge going to be built now, or is Luce operating the planes out of Pearson, or Island Airport without the bridge?


User currently offlineMD90fan From Bahamas, joined Jul 2005, 2931 posts, RR: 7
Reply 5, posted (8 years 6 months 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 4972 times:

Good to see DASH-8 orders or to say any turboprop orders  Smile


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User currently offlineYyz717 From Canada, joined Sep 2001, 16245 posts, RR: 56
Reply 6, posted (8 years 6 months 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 4923 times:

Quoting Aeronut (Reply 4):
is the bridge going to be built now, or is Luce operating the planes out of Pearson, or Island Airport without the bridge?

The bridge is effectively dead. Deluce is planning the airline to operate out of YTZ without the bridge. A new terminal will be needed though.

It will be nice to see the Q400 here at YTZ. Although it is hard to see the business case. AC Jazz at one point had 15 daily DH1 flights from YTZ, now they are down to 5 (all to YOW) and this will decline to just 2 dailies in the summer.

Anyway, this is great news for the YYZ economy: more airline jobs, more flights options, and more manufacturing jobs since the Q400 is manufactured just 10mi away. Our idiotic left-wing mayor should be bitch-slapped for opposing this. Incidently, no, he cannot stop new airline service from YTZ.



Panam, TWA, Ansett, Eastern.......AC next? Might be good for Canada.
User currently offlinePlanemaker From Tuvalu, joined Aug 2003, 6126 posts, RR: 34
Reply 7, posted (8 years 6 months 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 4923 times:

Quoting Aeronut (Reply 4):
I missed the news tonight, is the bridge going to be built now, or is Luce operating the planes out of Pearson, or Island Airport without the bridge?

From the topic starter...

Quoting Yow (Thread starter):
REGCO will operate from Toronto City Centre Airport (TCCA),



Quoting Yow (Thread starter):
Robert Deluce, President and CEO of REGCO Holdings Inc. "We are confident that the Q400 is the perfect plane to allow our airline to bring substantial
economic benefits to the city and contribute to a revitalized Toronto City
Centre Airport."



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User currently offlineNorthStarDC4M From Canada, joined Apr 2000, 2995 posts, RR: 37
Reply 8, posted (8 years 6 months 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 4859 times:
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hmmm, i wonder what routes he'll peg...

YOW and YUL seem obvious
NYC maybe?
BOS? PHL? CLE?
Chicago seems unlikely, but MDW might be an outside possibility, but far for a Q400 though.

then there is the regional airports he floated the 1st time round:

YQT, YAM, YSB, YTS, YYB, YXU, YQG... if he starts YYB or even YSB i might even consider patronizing them. Though the Q400 seems oversize for most of these markets, with the possible exception of YQT, and distance wise that one will have a hard sell (2.5 hours on a turboprop, any turboprop, is a hard sell), though considering CRJs are all there is to compete with... for now... (though watch AC suddenly decide to slap EMBs or A319s on YQT if Regco starts...)
YSB might be able to support a couple Q400s a day...



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User currently offlineAeronut From Canada, joined Jan 2006, 137 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (8 years 6 months 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 4852 times:

Quoting Yyz717 (Reply 6):
Anyway, this is great news for the YYZ economy: more airline jobs, more flights options, and more manufacturing jobs since the Q400 is manufactured just 10mi away. Our idiotic left-wing mayor should be bitch-slapped for opposing this. Incidently, no, he cannot stop new airline service from YTZ.

In the end, his crusade to keep the waterfront free of aircraft has failed. Whether this business endeavor will be successful in the long term, time will tell. Incedently, did he ever really cancel his order with Bombardier when the bridge got cancelled, or was the order contingent on bridge construction, I forget?

As for Q400 production, with C-Series cancelled, I bet Bombardier-Montreal will be real hungry for these manufacturing jobs....


User currently offlineOlympus69 From Canada, joined Jun 2002, 1737 posts, RR: 7
Reply 10, posted (8 years 6 months 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 4759 times:

Quoting Yyz717 (Reply 6):
incidentally, no, he cannot stop new airline service from YTZ.

No, but he might be able to stop construction of a new terminal, though I don't think he'll get as much support as he did for canceling the bridge.


User currently offlineTornado82 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (8 years 6 months 2 days ago) and read 4654 times:

Quoting NorthStarDC4M (Reply 8):
Chicago seems unlikely, but MDW might be an outside possibility, but far for a Q400 though.

Even that wouldn't be too bad for the Q400 with its speeds. This might be a prime candidate for GYY service though.


User currently offlineYOW From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (8 years 6 months 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 4541 times:

Quoting Olympus69 (Reply 3):
Mayor David 'Daley' Miller was vowing to do everything he could to prevent Robert Luce's airline from getting off the ground. He may hav a hard time with half a billion dollars for Toronto's economy at stake.

Toronto's gotta stop electing far-left NDP-types that will sacrifice anything just to please a few NIMBYS.

Here's the press release detailing the airline's name, which is Porter Airlines (I was a bit off with my prediction, lol):

Porter to take flight in 2006
Regional carrier to serve Canadian and US destinations from Toronto City
Centre Airport

TORONTO, Feb. 2 /CNW/ - Porter Airlines Inc. formally launched today by
logging its flight plan to become Canada's newest regional passenger carrier.
The airline unveiled its name, logo and livery at a signing ceremony this
morning before a group of media, employees, Canadian Auto Workers (CAW)
representatives, airline employees and other guests at the Bombardier
Aerospace Downsview manufacturing facility.

Yesterday, the airline's parent company, REGCO Holdings Inc., announced
it has placed a firm order with Bombardier Aerospace for ten (10) 70-seat Q400 turboprop aircraft. The total contract, which includes an option to purchase an additional 10 aircraft, is valued at more than $500 million (US). REGCO's wholly-owned subsidiary, Porter Airlines Inc. will take flight later this year from its operational base at the Toronto City Centre Airport (TCCA).

The airline will offer consumers a convenient alternative to Pearson
International Airport and serve short-haul Canadian and U.S. destinations
within a 500-nm radius of the Greater Toronto Area. Destination cities and
flight schedules will be announced at a later date.

"This is a great day for Toronto's aviation industry and, more
importantly, the flying public," said Robert Deluce, President and CEO of
REGCO Holdings Inc. "Porter looks forward to serving customers and
contributing to the Toronto economy. Our presence at the TCCA improves the
city's competitiveness by allowing passengers to have direct access to
downtown, stimulating business and tourism throughout the city."

"We are immensely proud that this new Toronto airline has chosen this
Toronto-built, world-leading aircraft, the Bombardier Q400," said Steven
Ridolfi, President, Bombardier Regional Aircraft. "This extraordinary regional
aircraft has led a resurgence in turboprop travel around the world. It has
everything - jet-like speed, quiet comfort, environmental friendliness, low
fuel burn, and the lowest operating costs of any regional aircraft. There is
no other turboprop that can compete with the Q400 aircraft in this arena.
Porter's order is a vote of confidence in the performance and operating
economics of the Q400."

According to Roland Kiehne, President of CAW Local 112, "CAW workers are
extremely proud to be building Porter's Q400 aircraft right here in Toronto,
where the airline will be based. We take pride in every plane that leaves
Downsview, but these will be particularly special."

REGCO Holdings Inc. also announced that it has recently completed an
equity financing of approximately $125 million CAD, the second-highest ever
for a new airline. The airline's investors include EdgeStone Capital Partners,
Borealis Infrastructure who invests on behalf of the Ontario Municipal
Employees Retirement System (OMERS) and REGCO Capital Corp., a company
controlled by Robert Deluce.

Mr. Deluce was joined at the event by former AMR Corp Chairman and CEO
Don Carty, who will serve as Chairman of REGCO Holdings Inc and Porter
Airlines Inc. Carty has unparalleled airline experience on both sides of the
border, serving as President and CEO of both American Airlines and CP Air
(predecessor to Canadian Airlines).

"We are tremendously fortunate to have Don Carty leading our Board of
Directors," added Deluce. "His advice and experience will be invaluable as we
develop our airline."

The airline and its related businesses will create 500 new direct and
indirect jobs at the airport, including management, sales, marketing,
engineering, maintenance, information technology, customer service, pilots and
flight attendants. Downtown Toronto business, including cultural events,
hotels and restaurants, will have additional economic benefits of up to $800
million annually. In addition, this announcement will support 150 existing
jobs and 20 businesses at the TCCA, which already contribute $100 million
annually to the downtown economy.

REGCO has signed a long-term Commercial Carrier Operating Agreement
(CCOA) with the Toronto Port Authority (TPA), operators of the Toronto City
Centre Airport. The airport, which has served downtown Toronto since 1939, is
governed by a Tripartite Agreement between the City of Toronto, The Federal
Government and the TPA. The Tripartite Agreement will remain in effect
until at least 2033.

The Q400 is a modern and environmentally-friendly aircraft, employing
state-of-the-art equipment and technology. It is capable of steep approach and reduced engine RPM landings to minimize operating noise. It is also the most fuel-efficient aircraft in its class, burning less fuel per seat than most
regional jets and narrow-bodied aircraft. The Q400 aircraft's revolutionary
Noise and Vibration Suppression (NVS) system results in the quietest turboprop
interior in the industry. It also features Pratt & Whitney Canada (PWC)
turboprop engines.

About Porter
Porter Airlines Inc. is a regional passenger carrier that will operate
out of Toronto City Centre Airport. The airline will begin scheduled service
later this year to short-haul Canadian and U.S. destinations within a 500-nm
radius of the Greater Toronto Area.

Porter is a subsidiary of privately-held REGCO Holdings Inc. Its
investors include EdgeStone Capital Partners, Borealis Infrastructure and
REGCO Capital Corp.

Notice how the mayor's name is conspicuously absent from the press release, yet even CAW union leaders were there.

The 500nm radius means YQT is probably out of the picture. YQG & YXU make a lot of sense as it would allow for same-plane 1-stops to YOW & YUL.

YZR is a market to consider. QK used to go there with 4 or 5 DH1s a day, now it's a mere 3 BE1s. YSB and YAM definitely make sense, perhaps YYB, YGK & YTS or even YQB (despite being slight outside the 500nm zone). The rest would be US destinations.


User currently offlineSmokescreen From Canada, joined Jul 2005, 230 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (8 years 6 months 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 4427 times:

I am going to put my neck on the line here, as a (currently) displaced Torontonian who voted for Miller.
I am as much of an aviation enthusiast as the next person, but I also love the city in which I was born and raised. For decades the waterfront was a scar on the city, a nasty blight of abandoned port buildings, unused railway lands, and expressway overpasses. For as long as I can remember Torontonians have been fighting to make this area a usable public space for all citizens, and haltingly, it gets better every year.
The Island Airport is located in the midst of Ontario Place, Harbourfront Centre, the CNE, and the parks on the islands themselves. Having a full-scale commuter airport there makes as much sense as plopping one into the middle of Central Park in New York, at least from a quality of life perspective.
I am not in favour of bulldozing YTZ a la Meigs, and I don't have a problem with GA activity there - or even small-scale commercial operations such as the one being started by Mr. Deluce. Provided, that is, that he is prepared to make a go of it without requiring expansion and new infrastructure (ie. new runways or a bridge).
I will, however, oppose in any way I can any move that will detract from Torontonians' ability to enjoy their city while only benefiting a few.

I will wrap up my rant by saying how much I want a fast, efficient, and accessible rail link up to Pearson, which I believe would greatly reduce the need for commercial operations at Island.

I await your flames  Smile


User currently offlineSebring From Canada, joined Jul 2004, 1663 posts, RR: 14
Reply 14, posted (8 years 6 months 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 4393 times:

Quoting Smokescreen (Reply 13):
I am going to put my neck on the line here, as a (currently) displaced Torontonian who voted for Miller.
I am as much of an aviation enthusiast as the next person, but I also love the city in which I was born and raised. For decades the waterfront was a scar on the city, a nasty blight of abandoned port buildings, unused railway lands, and expressway overpasses. For as long as I can remember Torontonians have been fighting to make this area a usable public space for all citizens, and haltingly, it gets better every year.
The Island Airport is located in the midst of Ontario Place, Harbourfront Centre, the CNE, and the parks on the islands themselves. Having a full-scale commuter airport there makes as much sense as plopping one into the middle of Central Park in New York, at least from a quality of life perspective.
I am not in favour of bulldozing YTZ a la Meigs, and I don't have a problem with GA activity there - or even small-scale commercial operations such as the one being started by Mr. Deluce. Provided, that is, that he is prepared to make a go of it without requiring expansion and new infrastructure (ie. new runways or a bridge).
I will, however, oppose in any way I can any move that will detract from Torontonians' ability to enjoy their city while only benefiting a few.

I will wrap up my rant by saying how much I want a fast, efficient, and accessible rail link up to Pearson, which I believe would greatly reduce the need for commercial operations at Island.

I await your flames  

Amen - I as big an airline enthusiast as their is, but I love my city and this is detrimental. The business community isn't crying for it - they do want lower Pearson rents, so it's not like they don't follow aviation matter. I see this as Deluce looking to make money by threatening to launch an airline and then suing somebody when he is forced to abandon the plan. He did just that when the bridge was cancelled, and now he's doing it again. A brilliant ploy, but you can only do it so often before the courts get the gist that your claims are specious.


User currently offlineTornado82 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (8 years 6 months 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 4333 times:

Just out of curiosity... what's the runway length and other operational considerations at this airport?

User currently offlineSmokescreen From Canada, joined Jul 2005, 230 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (8 years 6 months 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 4317 times:

Quoting Sebring (Reply 14):
Amen - I as big an airline enthusiast as their is, but I love my city and this is detrimental. The business community isn't crying for it - they do want lower Pearson rents, so it's not like they don't follow aviation matter. I see this as Deluce looking to make money by threatening to launch an airline and then suing somebody when he is forced to abandon the plan. He did just that when the bridge was cancelled, and now he's doing it again. A brilliant ploy, but you can only do it so often before the courts get the gist that your claims are specious.

I don't know that much about Deluce or his business practices, although I was less than impressed with his histrionics over the bridge issue. I agree with you about the demand - numerous operators have tried and failed to run a viable operation out if YTZ. While they have in general blamed this on the lack of a fixed link (and doubtless Deluce will too if he fails), I think at this stage a bridge is a non-starter from a civics point of view, and a tunnel too costly for the benefits it would return.
Like I said, I think having some air traffic at Island adds colour and interest to the waterfront area (I have fond memories as a child of going there for quick sightseeing flights), but there is a limit.


User currently offlineQ400 From Canada, joined Sep 2001, 80 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (8 years 6 months 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 4252 times:

Quoting Smokescreen (Reply 13):

I agree that having a fast efficient link to Pearson could be a solution to many of the current problems.

However, by looking at the large number of condos (ugly looking ones in my humble opinion) being built around the waterfront over the last few years, it already destroyed the view around the waterfront area. I think that has a much more negative impact to the waterfront than expanding the City Centre Airport.

The bulk of the traffic in and out of the airport will be over Lake Ontario, rather than over the city so I'm not sure if I agree with the Central Park analogy. In addition, by watching the aircraft at the CNE airshow last year, the sideline noise from the Q400 is fairly low.

Therefore, I'm still having a lot of difficulties seeing a huge negative impact in using the Q400 from the City Centre Airport, aside from the additional traffic around the Lakeshore and Bathurst area to and from the airport. I do agree if they are using a much larger/older/noisier airplane.

Just my two cents!!


User currently offlineYOW From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (8 years 6 months 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 4095 times:

Not surprisingly, Air Canada was quick to respond:

TORONTO, Feb. 2 /CNW Telbec/ - Air Canada today welcomed the announcement
by the Toronto Port Authority (TPA) of improved access to the Toronto City
Centre Airport (TCCA).
The TPA today announced the construction of new Ferry Passenger Transfer
Facilities as well as the acquisition of a new ferry capable of carrying more
vehicles and passengers to TCCA.

"As Toronto City Center Airport's longest serving passenger airline, Air
Canada is pleased that the TPA has decided to improve access to the airport.
This decision will allow Air Canada, through its regional partner, Air Canada
Jazz, to re-instate flights previously cancelled due to the lack of demand
caused by inadequate access to the airport under the existing ferry service,"
said Ben Smith, Vice-President, Network Planning, Air Canada.

With the improved access to Toronto City Centre Airport, Air Canada will
pursue a substantial increase of frequencies between that airport and Ottawa
as well as the reinstatement of flights to and from Montreal. The carrier will
also examine the feasibility of additional flights between TCCA and other
regional destinations in Canada and the U.S.

It's gonna' be a war come this fall @ YTZ.

Air Canada will
pursue a substantial increase of frequencies between that airport and Ottawa,


I wonder if we'll see a return to the 10-12 frequencies a day they used to operate about a decade ago. I would hope this will also involve the re-instatement of weekend services to the Island.


User currently offlineFlug From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (8 years 6 months 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 4095 times:

Has anyone seen the new colors for Porter Airlines? Has anything been posted yet? I checked Bombardiers website and it had news from yesterday.

User currently offlineYOW From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (8 years 6 months 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 3999 times:

Quoting Tornado82 (Reply 15):
Just out of curiosity... what's the runway length and other operational considerations at this airport?

YTZ's longest runway is 4,000 feet, so a Dash 8 is about the biggest thing it can handle.

Quoting Flug (Reply 19):
Has anyone seen the new colors for Porter Airlines? Has anything been posted yet? I checked Bombardiers website and it had news from yesterday.

They seem to have a website in the early stages of development:


User currently offlineYyzcabincrew From United Arab Emirates, joined Apr 2002, 101 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (8 years 6 months 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 3825 times:

Here is the site for the airline...

http://www.flyporter.com

[Edited 2006-02-02 21:12:18]

User currently offlineSmokescreen From Canada, joined Jul 2005, 230 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (8 years 6 months 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 3698 times:

Quoting Q400 (Reply 17):
Therefore, I'm still having a lot of difficulties seeing a huge negative impact in using the Q400 from the City Centre Airport, aside from the additional traffic around the Lakeshore and Bathurst area to and from the airport. I do agree if they are using a much larger/older/noisier airplane.

Q400, I don't disagree with you, and I want to make clear that I don't have an issue with this proposed operation -as it stands now (especially with a new order for the DHC plant involved).
What I don't want is a situation that escalates - bridges being built, runways extended or added, RJ's taking off every 10 mins. This may well be an exaggeration of the potential problem, some may even call it fearmongering, but it is a fact of life that any viable commercial airport tends toward expansion.

Oh, and before anyone uses the term NIMBY, I'd like to add that I share the general disdain for people who move next to an airport and then complain about the noise. Please keep in mind, though, that the city centre was there before YTZ.

On another note, what do people think about Carty's involvement? I know he is not popular with many AA employees...


User currently offlineYOW From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (8 years 6 months 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 3663 times:

Quoting Smokescreen (Reply 22):
Please keep in mind, though, that the city centre was there before YTZ.

I fully agree Smokescreen, however, given the airfield opened in 1939, how many Torontonians that are living near the airport were actually born before the airport opened and can lay claim to being there before YTZ. Not too many I suspect.


User currently offlineSmokescreen From Canada, joined Jul 2005, 230 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (8 years 6 months 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 3590 times:

Quoting YOW (Reply 23):
I fully agree Smokescreen, however, given the airfield opened in 1939, how many Torontonians that are living near the airport were actually born before the airport opened and can lay claim to being there before YTZ. Not too many I suspect.

Fair enough, but it is still a far cry from an airport in the middle of nowhere (ie. Malton) that has gradually been surrounded with tract housing.

Do you (or anyone else for that matter) think Porter Air can make a go of it given the situation with the ferry?


25 Fallingeese : I certainly think it is a viable venture, especially with the significant amount of captial funding and the capabilities of the board. The question is
26 YOW : I wonder how long it will take AC to implement this sudden interest in YTZ, i.e. if they'll do it before Porter can? When is the new ferry supposed to
27 Olympus69 : I doubt if AC has any real intention of inaugurating vastly increased service out of YTZ. I think it is just a ploy to increase opposition to Robert L
28 BOAC707 : Coming at this from a legal point of view....I am not sure any of the residents that are complaining about the noise potential will have any legal gro
29 Olympus69 : Every city in the world can say that. However there were no residential areas close to the airport when it was built. The condos along Queen's Quay a
30 Olympus69 : Not so. I've just been reading an interesting article about LCY in the Jan-Feb issue of Airports of the World. London City is very comparable since i
31 Lnglive1011yyz : You know what? I hope this airline prospers, and prospers well.. The people in the City of Toronto (the councillors on City Council included) need to
32 Cloudy : This site is a mere Flash placeholder. No facts, nothing really except the name "Porter" displayed in a fancy way. It won't show up as anything on se
33 Post contains links AirCanada014 : I've found the site regarding about access to YTZ. Its on AC site. Air Canada welcomes improved access to Toronto City Centre Airport TORONTO, Feb. 2
34 Smokescreen : People who paid big money for those waterfront condos I'm sure will agree that there is a big difference between GA/business av use and full-fledged
35 BOAC707 : You may be right the some people in Toronto don't want the airport. But the fact is that the airport was there first. There is diddly they can do abo
36 Smokescreen : I do agree with you to a large extent, and as I have stated before I am personally not opposed to some commercial activity at YTZ. The main problem h
37 Olympus69 : The people of Toronto have done no such thing. In the last municipal election more people cast votes for mayoralty candidates favouring the bridge to
38 Smokescreen : This is akin to saying our new federal government should be a Liberal-NDP-Bloc coalition because more people voted for centrist/left parties than for
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