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United B744 Collides With QF B763 At Mel  
User currently offlineVH-BZF From Australia, joined Oct 1999, 837 posts, RR: 0
Posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 26572 times:

A United B747-400 - UA840 to Syd/Lax (N127UA) has clipped the horizontal stabiliser of a Qantas B767-300ER - QF434 Mel-Syd (VH-OGH), which was waiting to line up for take off on Melbourne RWY16.

No injuries I understand, except for a  biting  RED faced UA B747-400 Captain.

The aircraft have been allowed to move until the ATSB investigates the incident. All the passengers from both flights have been put in busses back to the domestic & International terminals.

I guess there will be no SYD-LAX service this afternoon!

Cheers - BZF  Embarrassment

Oh apparently there was debris from the QF B763 on the ground?


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User currently offlineAirlinelover From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 5580 posts, RR: 22
Reply 1, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 26542 times:

This thread is worthless without pics  Wink

Thanks for the info!

Chris



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User currently offlineCapt.Fantastic From United States of America, joined Aug 1999, 724 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 26509 times:

This forum is better than a news wire service  Smile ... Thanks for the info! If you can get any pics, please share!  Smile

User currently offlineVH-BZF From Australia, joined Oct 1999, 837 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 26324 times:

Sorry, I currently don't have pic's, however I believe a friend of mine does - when they come to light or when I can get my hands on them, I'll share!

Also a little type-o, in my original post. That being that the aircraft were NOT allowed to be towed until the ATSB have completed their investigation! However further to that, because the incident/collision happened close to RWY27, I think the UA B747-400 was moved. It's also coming up to the afternoon rush, so the taxiway has probably had to be cleared for departing traffic?

Cheers - BZF



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User currently offlineGoodmanr From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 297 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 26261 times:

Here is the latest information about the flight you selected.
Note: The times listed are the local airport times.
Check status of another flight Register for flight paging

Flight
Airline: United
Flight: 840
Date: Thu, Feb 2
Status: CANCELLED
Aircraft type: Boeing 747-400
Miles earned: 7487



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User currently offlineAS739X From United States of America, joined Apr 2003, 6140 posts, RR: 23
Reply 5, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 26068 times:

VH-BZF: Thread is anything but useless. Thanks for the info!

ASLAX



"Some pilots avoid storm cells and some play connect the dots!"
User currently offlineSFORunner From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 325 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 26008 times:

Quoting VH-BZF (Thread starter):
I guess there will be no SYD-LAX service this afternoon!

Or SYD - SFO, depending on which flight becomes the sacraficial lamb.


User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26488 posts, RR: 75
Reply 7, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 25969 times:

Quoting SFORunner (Reply 6):
Quoting VH-BZF (Thread starter):
I guess there will be no SYD-LAX service this afternoon!

Or SYD - SFO, depending on which flight becomes the sacraficial lamb.

It is 840 (SYD-LAX) that has been cancelled.



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User currently offlineJetfuel From Australia, joined Jan 2005, 2225 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days ago) and read 25763 times:

This sort of accident really should NEVER happen. That being said how will UA possibly deal with an aircraft out of service, being that they are running things pretty tight fleet wise? The cost to the airline must run into the $100,000's


Where's the passion gone out of the airline industry? The smell of jetfuel and the romance of taking a flight....
User currently offlineHalophila From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 646 posts, RR: 4
Reply 9, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days ago) and read 25672 times:

Hello

What was the UA flight doing at MEL? I wasn't aware they had started flights to MEL again. Is this a diversion?

Halophila



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User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26488 posts, RR: 75
Reply 10, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days ago) and read 25636 times:

Quoting Halophila (Reply 9):
What was the UA flight doing at MEL? I wasn't aware they had started flights to MEL again. Is this a diversion?

United never stopped their MEL service. They merely ended LAX-MEL non-stop and returned to LAX-SYD-MEL one stop service that also connects to the SFO-SYD flights.

Quoting Jetfuel (Reply 8):
That being said how will UA possibly deal with an aircraft out of service, being that they are running things pretty tight fleet wise? The cost to the airline must run into the $100,000's

There is likely enough slack built into the schedule to handle 1 744 out for a short time and United's insurance will cover the damage



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User currently offlineHalophila From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 646 posts, RR: 4
Reply 11, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days ago) and read 25597 times:

Quoting N1120A (Reply 10):
United never stopped their MEL service. They merely ended LAX-MEL non-stop and returned to LAX-SYD-MEL one stop service that also connects to the SFO-SYD flights.

I stand corrected! Thanks for the info. I wasn't aware of that. Cheers!



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User currently offlineLufthansa From Christmas Island, joined May 1999, 3213 posts, RR: 10
Reply 12, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 25457 times:

If they have to they can send another a/c here for a while, transfer some pax to QF and transfer some PAX to NZ. It would be nice to see something different from UA here sent to cover. 772 or 763 maybe?

User currently offlineSFORunner From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 325 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 25328 times:

From a post over at Flyertalk.com:



[Edited 2006-02-02 09:35:43]

[Edited 2006-02-02 09:36:53]

User currently offlineAviatorTJ From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 1838 posts, RR: 7
Reply 14, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 25244 times:

Quoting SFORunner (Reply 13):

Ruh-roh. Someone's bound for a little vacation after that mistake. Glad everyone's okay


User currently offlineZKSUJ From New Zealand, joined May 2004, 7106 posts, RR: 11
Reply 15, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 25102 times:

Brilliant!!! Big grin Thats a bit of a cut in the UA wing. Any pics of the QF a/c by any chance?

User currently offline777ER From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 12155 posts, RR: 17
Reply 16, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 24646 times:
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Quoting ZKSUJ (Reply 15):
Any pics of the QF a/c by any chance?

From what has been said, it sounds like the QF B763 is more seriously damanged. Any QF pics?


User currently offlineNZ1 From New Zealand, joined May 2004, 2266 posts, RR: 25
Reply 17, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 24573 times:
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That will be a mission to repair. Should be a nice wee earner for QF Mx.

NZ1


User currently offlineJumboJim747 From Australia, joined Oct 2004, 2464 posts, RR: 44
Reply 18, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 24494 times:

Quoting NZ1 (Reply 17):
That will be a mission to repair. Should be a nice wee earner for QF Mx.

Are they allowed to carry out that sort of repair.?
Cheers



On a wing and a prayer
User currently offlineEngineersWife From New Zealand, joined Jan 2006, 63 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 24464 times:

Hehehe, now that wasn't very clever was it!


It feels so wrong to stare without paying......
User currently offline777ER From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 12155 posts, RR: 17
Reply 20, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 24348 times:
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Would Boeing employees go to MEL to access both aircrafts damange and QF do minor repairs so both aircraft can fly out for permanent repairs?

User currently offlineBryanG From United States of America, joined May 1999, 433 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 24262 times:

Shouldn't be too hard to patch that up. It doesn't look like the scrape was hard enough to cause any structural damage.

By the way, a 744 is certified to fly with one winglet removed, if necessary.


User currently offlineDigitalone From Australia, joined Aug 2001, 137 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 24008 times:

According to SMH.com.au, there were 99 pax and 14 crew onboard the UA flight. Assuming they are picking most of their pax and cargo in SYD, I wonder how ther crisis management fared in this event seeing that a lot of people will be waitng...

[Edited 2006-02-02 11:19:17]

User currently offlineFlight7E7 From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 103 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 24008 times:

World's largest can opener.....Well, that might be one pilot that will take another "pay cut".....glad though, could have been worse...no injuries-makes the ground interesting, doesn't it?

Cheers!

 sorry   thumbsdown 


User currently offlineA319114 From Netherlands, joined Aug 2004, 541 posts, RR: 3
Reply 24, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 24008 times:

Quoting BryanG (Reply 21):

By the way, a 744 is certified to fly with one winglet removed, if necessary.

Strobe and nav lights seem to be missing so the repair won't be as easy as taking the winglet off and let the bird go for repairs back home.



Destruction leads to a very rough road but it also breeds creation
25 VH-BZF : I think Boeing have to send a repair team out if its major structural damage, on both aircraft? They did this with previously when AN had a B743 & a B
26 Thai A330 : Poor Qantas, VH-OGH remind me of VH-OJH incidents in Bkk few years ago.
27 HAWK21M : Follow the Line. regds MEL
28 Don81603 : Brings new meaning to "having your wings clipped". And I agree. Very glad no one was injured (save UA's pilot's pride). Aircraft can be repaired or r
29 Darrenthe747 : anyone have a tail # on the UA bird?
30 MattMSP767 : The very first sentence of the thread....
31 Darrenthe747 : oh sorry, i am on my 26th hour at work right now:-(
32 ORDPIA : In a case such as this do airlines have extra aircraft at one of their hubs that they can send to the location of a crippled plane, or does Boeing or
33 Post contains images MattMSP767 : It's ok, no worries
34 FlyMeToTheMoon : Would this be a fender bender or a winglet bender?
35 Threepoint : Just wondering what you do that you work for 26 hours straight, yet still find time to surf the internet. If you find the long work hours are affecti
36 Post contains images Lairyliam : [quote=Threepoint,reply=35]Just wondering what you do that you work for 26 hours straight, yet still find time to surf the internet. Airline Operation
37 Aerorobnz : which flight was it operating - cos i kknow that OGH has been into AKL in the past few days
38 ChiGB1973 : No accidents should happen, well, maybe about 3% are true accidents, the rest are preventable. No one should die or have accidents on roads, except 3
39 StealthZ : Once again from line 2 of the thread starter.... "QF434 Mel-Syd (VH-OGH), " Cheers Chris
40 Post contains images Afconcorde1 : The only worthless thread is the thread not posted. I happen to agree. Nah, they'll just take 'em out to the woods and bet them senseless with a bamb
41 VH-BZF : Both aircraft still sitting at Mel today - VH-OGH in the QF hangar & N127UA sitting on a remote stand off bay. Whilst I was driving past another UA B7
42 ChiGB1973 : Why ferry if it is repaired? Fill that baby up and make some money. M
43 N1120A : No chance at a 763ER making it and the 648K 772ERs at UA have a hard time with LAX-AKL, let alone SYD-LAX. The winds would help, but declaring an eto
44 VH-BZF : ************UPDATE************* As of today both aircraft are parked in the Ansett B767 Hangar at Melbourne airport, side by side, although the United
45 Skycruiser : Any update on this? Thanks
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