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User currently offlineJZucker From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 100 posts, RR: 0
Posted (15 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 7001 times:

Its now the summer before my Senior Year in High School, and as everyone knows, its time to go visit colleges. For the longest time, I thought that the only non-military path to achieving my life long goal of flying for the airlines was through Embry Riddle. But in research I have discovered that many other colleges have aviation programs equal, if not better than that of Embry Riddle's. I am particularily interested in DANIEL WEBSTER COLLEGE, which supposedly is a gem nestled in the woods of New Hampshire. I will be making a visit there later this week. Any info on D.W, Embry Riddle, Florida Tech, and Purdue's aviation programs would be greatly appreciated, as choosing a college has great impact on my future.

Of course, there is no one better to ask this question of than the people of the Airliners.net forum. Thanks in advance, everyone! (Ill post some of the highlights of my D.W. visit after Thursday.)

Thanks, Josh (talk2jz@hotmail.com), from Connecticut

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User currently offlineHNL747 From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 34 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (15 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 6665 times:

Purdue has an excellent flight/aviation program. The aviation program is divided into three areas of study: Flight, Aviation Administration Technology (AAT) and tech (AOT) -- in AOT you get an A&P. You may major in either flight, AAT or AOT; minor options are also available to supplement your major. Purdue's program is well rounded and grooms good pilots. Purdue is worth investigating. For more information... www.tech.purdue.edu/at/

good luck

User currently offlineC172sb From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (15 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 6645 times:

I went to ERAU last year, and it is not worth the money. I went to the Prescott campus, that was a big mistake, no girls. If you are a nerdy type than ERAU is a good choice. If you like to talk about other things than flying 24/7 you should go somewhere else. One thing to note, the airlines do not care if you have an avaition degree or not, they just want to see that you have a degree. Save your money and go to a school in your state and use the money you save to spend on flying. Thats my word of advise, good luck.

User currently offlineIflewrepublic From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 537 posts, RR: 3
Reply 3, posted (15 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 6629 times:

Lest you not forget the University of North Dakota in Grand Forks, which happens to be one of the better flight schools in the country. The John Odegaard School of Aerospace Science at UND is one of the few select schools preferred by both American Airlines and Northwest Airlines. Many of the graduates from the UND School of Aerospace Science manage to land jobs with NWA (and the other major carriers) and some of their regional carriers. This may be an option to which you might want to look. It is true that you do not need a degree in aviation. The airlines simply prefer you to have a college degree. The big thing is your ratings and your flight time. If I were you, I would get my privates first and then go from there.


Aviation is proof that, given the will, we have the capacity to achieve the impossible.
User currently offlineBacardi182 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 1091 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (15 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 6615 times:

i plan on going to a comunity college for two years and then transfering to one of the greats. does that sound like a good idea? i live in dfw now and mountain view comunity college seems to have a good program and is only 15 minutes from my bro's house. ill save allot of money, but does anybody here have anything to say about mountain view? I was also thinking of looking at schools in the rockies (arizona, colorado, ect....) anybody have any recomendations?

User currently offlineSupercub82 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (15 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 6617 times:

Might I recomend Sierra Acadamy based in Oakland. They seem to have a
note worth program. The bay area seems to be good place to train with
lots of emphasis on IFR ( like tons of IFR approaches close by, very diverse airspace, and all kinds of real life weather to deal with) and airline flying. Plus they have nice internships and recomendations for you to the airlines.
I recommend Sierra Acadamey but I am going to Moody Bible Institute. I am in a five year program there that gets me a B.S. in missionary aviation technology all my ratings private through multi-engine and CFI, and an A and P. Plus the tuition is free. All you got to pay for is room and board and flight and wrenching fees. But its a Christian school and its very conservitive. I don't know if you in to that sort of thing.
Depending on you financiel situation try and get your private. I just turned
18 and couldn't wait till college, so over the past year and a half I got it. It
really fans the flames of inspiration. I wish you well in you search.

User currently offlinePurdue Arrow From United States of America, joined May 1999, 1574 posts, RR: 7
Reply 6, posted (15 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 6624 times:

I'm going to second HNL747s opinion that Purdue is a school to look into. As I enter my junior year in the Purdue flight program, I can honestly say that I made the right choice, that I have never regretted choosing Purdue, and that I am getting the best collegiate aviation education available today. When I was where you are now, I had no idea where I wanted to go. I decided to apply to all the schools that had aviation programs, and then to try to make a choice by the time May 1st came around. Around mid-March of my senior year, I got a newsletter from the APA (American's pilot union) reccommending Purdue. The article that I read made Purdue sound like an outstanding school, and it was right.

Our program is not very big - we had 40 people graduate from our flight department in May (most of whom are now flying regional jets) - but our small size allows the university to make available opportunities that you won't find at other colleges. After you have earned your flight instructor certificate, for example, you can be hired to teach students in Purdue courses. The first 3 semesters of flight lessons can be taught by part-time instructors. Later, after earning the multi-engine rating, all Purdue flight students are given the opportunity to fly our King Air 200s. Over the course of your junior and senior years, you would fly approx. 30-50 hours in the King Air at no cost to you - the University pays for the flights because they are used to fly staff members when they need to take trips. We also have a Beechjet 400A, which is used to fly the president of the university. Like the King Airs, the Beechjet has a student copilot logging PIC on every flight it makes. If you are selected to fly the Beechjet, Purdue pays for you to go to FlightSafety to earn your type rating, then provides about 125 hours of PIC time in the jet.

We have a great fleet, including 14 Piper Warrior IIIs (Brand new - they are being delivered this summer), 4 Piper Arrows, 2 Beechcraft Duchesses, 2 Cessna 150s, a Cessna 182, a Chipmunk, and the turbine aircraft. In addition, we have a 727-100, a 737-200, and 2 727 simulators. The university is currently installing a new addition in our Holleman-Niswonger Simulator Center, a Dornier 328/328JET, and we are seeking NSF funding for an Embraer 135/145 simulator.
On top of our great fleet and facilities, we also have an outstanding staff. The professors in the department of Aviation Technology are top of the line. Every one of them seems to be genuinely concerned about students. Each makes himself available to students for outside consultation, and each is willing to do as much as possible to ensure that their students succeed. Among our professors are former military pilots, former airline pilots, for ATC controllers, and career educators. Together, they bring a wealth of experience that only serves to enhance the educational experience.

When graduation time comes, you will be pleased with our numerous industry contacts. We have direct hire programs in place with, among others, Chicago Express, American Eagle, and Chatauqua. A quick look at teh placement statistics shows that Purdue has had, since 1996, a 100% placement rate among graduates of the flight program. The intensive training that you receive at Purdue not only gives you a broad base of knowledge from which to continue learning throughout your career, but it also provides you with the skills you need to be successful in future classes. The curriculum at Purdue consists of, in addition to GE stuff, meteorology, aerodynamics, crew resource management, human factors issues, ethics and professionalism, aircraft powerplants, aircraft systems (both generally and for the King Air and 727 specifically), and much more. You can get an idea of the classes required and offered from the site that HNL747 listed, www.tech.purdue.edu/at.

Finally, we are not just an outstanding department of Aviation, rather, we are part of a world-class, Big Ten University. Purdue University has among the best programs in the world in many other areas as well, including engineering and agriculture, and offers courses in manifold subject areas. This allows students in AvTech to take other courses that interest them, or even to have a minor or double major. The opportunities at Purdue for pilots is really outstanding!

As I said, I have never once second-guessed my decision to attend Purdue University. Further, in talking to other students in the department, I have never met another Purdue pilot who has, either. Unlike other schools, every student I know in the Purdue Department of Aviation Technology is thrilled with the quality of the facilities, staff, and education that they are receiving. We all recognize that the training, both in the classroom and in the cockpit, offered at Purdue is among the best in the world (excluding, of course, airline training programs, but these are useless if you go in without a fundamental knowledge of aircraft). A student here learns not only how to fly the airplane, but how the airplane flies and how the industry works. If you have any questions about Purdue, please do not hesitate to contact me at mcdonamt@purdue.edu and I will answer any questions you might have. Also, if you decide to come take a look at Purdue, let me know - I'd be glad to show you around our aviation facilities, as well as the rest of the campus.

Best of luck with whatever you decide!

User currently offlineMarair From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (15 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 6598 times:

I have also heard of Sierra Academy. They have a deal with San Jose State where you get your B.S from them and your flight traning from Sierra Academy. The only problem is that it costs 40K+. I am looking into it and its a/c mech program.

User currently offlineUal1636 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (15 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 6594 times:

I'm going to recommend the University of North Dakota! UND has a great flying program. You can earn private, instrument, commercial, and CFI there. They have Piper Warriors, Senecas, Barons, Beechjets, Citations, Piper cadets, Katanas, and helos. A lot of regionals and some majors reduce hour requirements for UND alumni. Every year in Grand Forks they have an aviation conference where lots a airlines come to find potential airline material. I know ACA reduced minimums for UND grads to 600 hours if you do the CO-OP program for one summer. Go to www.aero.und.edu, this'll have a lot more info.
The other school I recommend if you want to be in the rockies is Metro State in Denver, CO. Great flying program, you can earn the same ratings as UND, ERAU, etc. The students are constantly going to the UA flight training facility to fly their sims. I think Metro State has their own DC-10 sim. I think they fly out of Centennial or Front Range airport in the Denver Metro area. Unpredictable weather in Colorado, great flying conditions, lots of snow if you like snow, also, it gets really cold here in the winter. Also look into U of Minnesota Twin Cities, Minnesota State-Mankato, Saint Cloud State, and SUNY farmingdale. I would recommend the United States Air Force Academy,but senior year is a little too late to set your sights on USAFA. Anyway you choose, good luck!

User currently offlineCO767-224ER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (15 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 6584 times:

I support Purdue Cadet's comments totally. Purdue not only offers a specialized aviation curriculum, but also has all of the other aspects of a major university. If, for some reason, you decided not to go into aviation as a career, your chances of being selected for a non-aviation position will be greatly enhanced with a degree from a wide-ranging nationally recognized university, rather than a specialty school with little name recognition outside of the aviation industry.

User currently offlineCritter From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 267 posts, RR: 2
Reply 10, posted (15 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 6561 times:

My brother in-law just graduated from Moody Aviation in May. It is a very challenging and difficult course. The first year is spent at the main campus in Chicago taking all of the basics like English, Math, Science, New and Old Testament Bible, etc. After that, if you pass the application process for the Aviation program you go to Elizabethton Tenn. for two years of A&P training. After you have your A&P you get to work on your Private Pilots license, Instrument rating, Multi engine, Instructor, etc. The terrain of the hills of Tenn. are a good training ground for prospective bush pilots on the mission field. My brother in-law is currently preparing to go to Alaska to fly supplies along with the Word of God into the deep interior of Alaska.

Good Luck!


User currently offlineMorecy From United States of America, joined May 2000, 216 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (15 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 6543 times:

As a former Riddle student (I got my MBA there), I strongly suggest you analyze the social aspects of college before you make a decision. Fortunately, I went to a large State school for my under-grad degree where I had a great college experience meeting many different people and the opportunity to take a variety of courses. When I went to Riddle (Daytona) I found myself on a campus where guys outnumbered women 9 to 1 and as much as I love aviation, the place was over-kill. Riddle is a good school if you want to become a pilot but if you can balance a solid college experience and a good aviation program, you'll be much happier. I would have certainly kicked myself if Riddle had been my Under-grad choice.

User currently offlineDFORD757 From United States of America, joined May 2000, 197 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (15 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 6541 times:

I TOTALLY agree with what Iflewrepublic had to say about UND. I am going to be a freshman starting there August 25 . I am from New York State going out to North Dakota for college. Given, people think I am nuts...but I think UND has the best aviation program out there. The campus is really nice and you get to fly in 4 different season: spring, summer, fall and of course WINTER! (unlike Embry-Riddle where you are lucky if you get 2 season)

I would highly recommend UND to anyone that is interested in flying! If anyone has any questions about it and might be interested...feel free to drop me an e-mail...I will try to answer any questions about it!  

User currently offlineAA61hvy From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 13977 posts, RR: 55
Reply 13, posted (15 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 6537 times:

im intrested in almost the same exact schools. after you take a look at DWU let me know how it looks.

Go big or go home
User currently offlineUNDpilot From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 76 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (15 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 6507 times:

I definatly agree with DFORD757, IFLEWREPUBLIC and UAL1636. University of North Dakota is the place to go. I was a little antsy when I noticed that you didnt even list it one of youre choices. PLEASE!!!! Investigate this gem in the middle of North Dakota. I'll be a freshman this fall, and I know many that have gone through this program. Beileve me, going to UND pays off after 4 years. This is the place to go for aviation. Dont let the state of North Dakota get you down, Im from Seattle, Wa., you can handle ND for 4 years... Having just completed my college search this last year, I have looked at all of the colleges. I would count ERAU out, unless you want aviation 24-7 and no woman, and really focus on UND and Purdue. Both of the universities have a good sized student body and they both dont revolve around just aviation. They give you a big school feel and open a lot more doors in the student and campus life issues. The reason I chose North Dakota was because of its outstanding facilities, programs,direct hire programs, intern., and co-ops. There facilities are top notch, you have to see it to beileve it. Before I visited UND, it was my fourth choice behind ERAU-az, ERAU-fl, Purdue, and Daniel Webster. After I saw UND, it went from my fourth choice to my first choice. Everything about UND amazed me. Well, it must be a good university considering all of the out of state students coming to North Dakota to fly   . I also chose UND because it is a good sized school (11,000) and has excellent athletics (HOCKEY!!!), the combination of this, the school of aviation, student life, and the univ. as a whole drew me in and I cant wait to start. I really encourage you to look into UND, because I think it is the place to go. Check it out! If you have any more questions please e-mail me at crcooledge@home.com. Take it easy and good luck.

User currently offlineAA61hvy From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 13977 posts, RR: 55
Reply 15, posted (15 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 6495 times:

i was reading about UND but it said it was bible country and all very religous people. not sure if true. ERAU is the havard of airplane schools. DWU is the yale of airplane schools

Go big or go home
User currently offlineIflewrepublic From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 537 posts, RR: 3
Reply 16, posted (15 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 6484 times:

Bible Country??? I've lived up in this area my entire life, and been in numerous parts of the country, and I can tell you we are NOT part of the Bible belt...we leave that to Tennessee, Kentucky, Mississippi, Alabama, Arkansas, etc. You can't always rely on what you read. North Dakota isn't as bad as people make it out to be.


Aviation is proof that, given the will, we have the capacity to achieve the impossible.
User currently offlineTom in NO From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 7194 posts, RR: 31
Reply 17, posted (15 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 6486 times:

Some facts of life, gentlemen, regarding ERAU and Daytona Beach:

#1) ERAU is a TOTALLY aviation-related school.
#2) The vast majority of people within aviation (airlines, airports, and manufacturers) are men, no disrespect meant, so........
#3) do men go to Riddle-Daytona for women......or for an education??? And, apparently those that went there for women, and got disappointed, obviously never ventured 6 miles to the east to the beach. I was one of the "90% men" at Daytona, and did fine with the female students there.

There are obviously some other excellent aviation programs out there. In my 16 years with the American Association of Airport Executives, and during my years on its academic relations committees, I have met many outstanding students from UND, Parks, Middle Tennessee, SIU, Purdue, Northeast LA, LA Tech, etc, etc, etc.

Just remember why you want to go to college, keep your priorities in line, and you'll be fine.

Good luck with your choice.

Tom in NO (at MSY)

"The criminal ineptitude makes you furious"-Bruce Springsteen, after seeing firsthand the damage from Hurricane Katrina
User currently offlineAA61hvy From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 13977 posts, RR: 55
Reply 18, posted (15 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 6475 times:

i didnt know everyone was going to take that "bible belt" comment so seriously. you act as if it was a terrible thing. i was just repeating what it said in the college book. so just cool your jets.

Go big or go home
User currently offlineMorecy From United States of America, joined May 2000, 216 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (15 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 6482 times:

More facts about ERAU (Daytona)

1) Even the ugly chicks sport an attitude (This is a well known fact that ANY male Riddle student will admit to).
2) Venture 6 miles to the beach; Beach season = Spring Break which lasts 3 months... that's IT. The rest of the year you're dealing with attitude from the few chicks on campus.
3) Yes, education is ONE of the reasons you go to College... so get an education from a school future employers know of. In addition, I'd add that a well rounded education is important. So, unless you want to limit yourself to learning just about aviation, go to a school that offers you more for the money.

Again, I went to ERAU and made the best of it. I'm not a party animal, but I expected a friendly, outgoing and fun atmosphere to be a part of the College experience. Instead, I found alot of attitude and alot of aviation geeks. Do yourself a favor and go to a real school and ENJOY the remaining 4 years of your life before going out in the work force.

Best of luck to you !!!

User currently offlineUNDpilot From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 76 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (15 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 6477 times:

Ive never heard that before. Ive had friends go there and they have never commented on it. You might be getting mixed up with the large majority of Caucasians that go to UND...because it is a draw for people in ND,SD, MINN, MT, WY. I think your thinkin' of the oval about 1500 miles SE of north dakota in the appalacian foothills. ANYWAY UND MAKES ERAU AND DW LOOK LIKE COMMUNITY COLLEGES IN AVIATION (PLEASE NO OFFENSE TO CC STUDENTS). AND IF YOU DONT BEILEVE ME, COME UP NORTH AND WE"LL SHOW YOU HOW IT IS DONE.

User currently offlineFrontierMan From United States of America, joined Oct 1999, 413 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (15 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 6463 times:

I have been to the Daytona Beach Campus of Embry Riddle, and I have to say that I was very impressed with the atmosphere. Let's look for a minute at Embry Riddle's fleet of Aircraft. Embry Riddle has to have the best fleet of aircraft of any college around. I mean Come on, there were 65 1999 172s sitting on the tarmac when I was there. Also, Embry Riddle has a good relation with Flight Safety. They have 2 simulators. A Beech 1900 and a 737-300 I believe. Anyway, If I pay money to get trained from a college, I expect to get trained from that college. I'm going to look at a college that has a good job placement rating. I'm not going to pick a college because they have a good football team, or they have great parties. I mean are you going to college to learn or party?

User currently offlineAA61hvy From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 13977 posts, RR: 55
Reply 22, posted (15 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 6463 times:

how does UND make ERAU and DWU look like a "community college"?

Go big or go home
User currently offlineUNDpilot From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 76 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (15 years 10 months 2 weeks 3 days ago) and read 6459 times:

Let me get some basics straight here...I think you misinterpreted my previous message. Of course job placements, academics, and facilities are the most important. I was saying that UND has more to offer when it comes to the social scale as well since it has a bigger univ. There are more clubs and activities to get into and they have more athletics. Look at MORECY comment up in front!!!! These are just sidedishes compared to the academics and job% which I think make UND more appealing. BUT be real...of course academics and job% is the most important. Now for facilities, yes, ERAU has nice facilities, but have you ever treked up to ND. If you havent, you should, because then you will see the difference. Also look at UND's fleet. Now for the Community college remark: Im sorry for offending you but it was a stupid, stupid comparison. I was just trying to be a funny man...something that i'm not good at in chat  . Any aviation college will get to you're dream and Im sorry for sounding like an a-hole, any of them is a good choice..but i'm explaining why I chose UND thats all. I dont want to be long, but if you have other questions email me at crcooledge@home.com and i'll set 'em straight.

User currently offlineC172sb From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (15 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 6459 times:

Enough about riddle, i went there and was not impressed. Some of the professors were very good, but not worth the $4900 per semester tution. Another thing that pissed me off were the flight instructors at the flight line. Most of these clowns had just gotten their CFI's and they were pretty bad. I don't mind having low time instructors but i do mind paying $30/hr for it. I now go to a state school with an aviation program and only spend $1400 a semester. Another thing about riddle is that you have to pay for flight training up front. This means shelling about a few grand at a time, i think UND has the same deal. Of course this really isn't a problem for most of the people at riddle, look in the parking lot and you will see all the new mustangs and SUV's that daddy bought for little Johnny. Some say that only these big name avaition schools have connections with the airlines, not ture. The school i go to in Denver has many connections with United. By the time you get to the majors they don't really care what school you went to, they care about hours and experiance. Save your money and build hours. With all the money you save by going to state school you could have so many more hours than people who waste money on private or out of state schools. When you are trying to get that first CFI job or towing gliders, the person with more hours will get hired, not the riddle clown.

25 USAirwys4Lyfe : Does anyone know of the programs at Jacksonville University and Univeristy of Illinois? Please let me know. Thanks! usairwys4lyfe@hotmail.com
26 DesertJets : Here's some advice from a now well seasoned college student and expert on higher ed.... oh BTW I am not in any aviation programs, I am getting a B.A.
27 Flywithken : COnsider two things before you choose a college: You have a requirement to have a bachelors (4 yr) degree to be hired by a major airline. If you want
28 ATRpilot : Alright, you all have confused the poor boy enough. JZ, here's a dose of reality. First of all, for the most part, you've been getting bad advise. Whe
29 Future Pilot? : Jz, I think Riddle is getting an unfair shake in this whole thing. I am glad ATRpilot addressed and let you know the facts. This is what I found after
30 TWAneedsHELP : I go to Cornell, and we have a "hotel school". They have a program in "airline food management" eMail me for details.
31 Saluki777 : Southern Illinois University in Carbondale, IL has a very good flight school too. I know SIU has a reputation of being a party school, but as everyone
32 Post contains images TropicalSkies : I have my heart set on Sierra Academy, in Oakland. I used to be hot for Riddle, but it's in Florida and EXPENSIVE! You know what, I don't care if it's
33 Post contains images Supercub82 : Not to discourage your dreams or anything, but Oakland and the bay area aren't really in the mountains. Its the big city, by the ocean. I guess you co
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