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OS To Iraq, Erbil, Who Ll Be The Next  
User currently offlinePRGLY From Czech Republic, joined Dec 2004, 494 posts, RR: 0
Posted (8 years 10 months 3 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 4002 times:

OS is offering first regular scheduled flights to Erbil, Iraq, eff 27MAR twice weekly with A319 from VIE, making it trice from 02MAY. It is the first scheduled service to Iraq after the war (if it can be considered as finished already) available in GDS. Your thoughts guys, who ll be the next .....


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User currently offlineMacc From Austria, joined Nov 2004, 1073 posts, RR: 3
Reply 1, posted (8 years 10 months 3 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 3992 times:

I would much like to know about the loads on these flights...


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User currently offlinePe@rson From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 19259 posts, RR: 52
Reply 2, posted (8 years 10 months 3 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 3983 times:

Quoting Macc (Reply 1):
I would much like to know about the loads on these flights...

The fares are predictably very high, so if they can get sufficient bookings...

London-Baghdad is a definite (at some stage) and possibly London-Basra (less certain). London-Kabul is also bound to happen at some stage.



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User currently offlineFinnWings From Finland, joined Oct 2003, 640 posts, RR: 2
Reply 3, posted (8 years 10 months 3 weeks 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 3924 times:

I really would like to know who is going to guarantee the safety of these flights?? Even considering of the operation to the such a restless country shows that management does not care the safety of their employees or passengers. The passengers does have a choice, but employees doesn't as they are living according to flight roster.

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User currently offlineBackfire From Germany, joined Oct 2006, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (8 years 10 months 3 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 3898 times:

Quoting Macc (Reply 1):
I would much like to know about the loads on these flights...

I'm supposed to be on a preliminary test-flight on the route, 12 Mar.  eek 


User currently offlineTrvlr From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 4430 posts, RR: 21
Reply 5, posted (8 years 10 months 3 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 3897 times:

Quoting FinnWings (Reply 3):
I really would like to know who is going to guarantee the safety of these flights?? Even considering of the operation to the such a restless country shows that management does not care the safety of their employees or passengers. The passengers does have a choice, but employees doesn't as they are living according to flight roster.

Keep in mind that the situation in Iraq remains relatively localized. The northern, mostly Kurdish region has actually enjoyed a rather productive period of autonomy since well before the U.S.-led invasion of the country in 2003.

To put things in perspective for you, it is akin to airlines flying to any number of destinations in conflict-affected countries--Addis Ababa in Ethiopia, Tel Aviv in Israel, just to name a few. Obviously, though, foreign aircraft won't land, say, near the Eritrean border when they go to Ethiopia. They'll fly to ADD.

Aaron G.


User currently offlineN774UA From Netherlands, joined Aug 2004, 343 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (8 years 10 months 3 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 3819 times:

IIRC Alexandair of Greece flies the routing Amsterdam - Heraklion - Erbil a couple times a month.

N774UA



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User currently offlineA342 From Germany, joined Jul 2005, 4700 posts, RR: 3
Reply 7, posted (8 years 10 months 3 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 3810 times:

Does Erbil even have an IATA code ? I could just find the ICAO code "ORER".


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User currently offlineBahadir From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 1835 posts, RR: 10
Reply 8, posted (8 years 10 months 3 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 3789 times:

Fly Air has been successfully operating some flights to Northern Iraq. The loads are so high that they switched from EMB145s to MDs. They sell a lot of tickets with very high fares because of a lot of people from Northern Iraq have relatives in Germany.


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User currently offlinePRGLY From Czech Republic, joined Dec 2004, 494 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (8 years 10 months 3 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 3747 times:

Quoting A342 (Reply 7):
Does Erbil even have an IATA code

well I had the same problem, airlinecodes.com showed nothing, OS declares it as EBL, hope will be recognized in the future



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User currently offlineHumberside From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2005, 4927 posts, RR: 4
Reply 10, posted (8 years 10 months 3 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 3684 times:

Quoting Pe@rson (Reply 2):
possibly London-Basra (less certain).

I think such a route is inevitable since it is in the British area. There will probably be UK troops there long term and this will have developed links between the area and the UK for construction and security companies.

Also Basra is safer than Baghdad so could see regular scheduled flights before Baghdad

I would also possible expect LON-Erbil in the future for the Kurdish community in the UK



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User currently offlinePe@rson From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 19259 posts, RR: 52
Reply 11, posted (8 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 3633 times:

Quoting Humberside (Reply 10):
I think such a route is inevitable since it is in the British area. There will probably be UK troops there long term and this will have developed links between the area and the UK for construction and security companies.

Also Basra is safer than Baghdad so could see regular scheduled flights before Baghdad

I would also possible expect LON-Erbil in the future for the Kurdish community in the UK

I did think about Basra in those terms, but I wasn't that sure.

What sort of frequencies?

Would there be much transportation of cargo from the UK to Iraq and vice-versa? This would help determine the aircraft type, not least because London-Baghdad would probably take about 5 hours out and 5 1/2 back - so within the range of a 320/321/757 - no, I'm not saying that those are the necessary types. If there's a sufficient cargo demand, then the 763 seems a likely choice.



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