757ops From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2006, 318 posts, RR: 0 Posted (9 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 6797 times:
What is going to happen in Africa, will there only be a few legacy carriers left such as South African (SA), Ethiopian (ET),Kenyan (KQ) and Egyptair (MS) left soon or will it continue as it is with all these safety bypassing carriers, such as Sosolisso, Belleview, Air Malawi, Air Gabon and many other smaller carriers dangerously flying the skies amidst corruption? Or will Middle Eastern carriers take over as is starting to happen now with the like of Emirates (EK) and Qatar (QR) flying passengers to JNB, NBO, ADD, DAR, etc.. via their ultra-modern Middle Eastern hubs with overnight stay opurtunities and shopping trips en-route?
Noelg From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (9 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 6784 times:
Quoting 757ops (Thread starter): all these safety bypassing carriers, such as Sosolisso, Belleview, Air Malawi, Air Gabon and many other smaller carriers dangerously flying the skies amidst corruption?
Okay, I see you're new here, but with all due respect sir you're talking out of your arse.
I'm sure all those "safety bypassing" carriers would love to read your comments on how "dangerous and corrupt" they are. I know there are also many on here who fly regularly on the airlines you mention, I'm sure they would have something to say on the matter too.
Quick hint - making blatant posts slagging off airlines with no supporting evidence is looking to be flamed.
Cornish From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2005, 8187 posts, RR: 53
Reply 2, posted (9 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 6776 times:
Well the best thing that could happen for African aviation for starters is for the Yamassoukro Agreement to be reality. Perhaps then we can start to see some strong healthy carriers and real positive traffic growth across Africa.
Just when I thought I could see light at the end of the tunnel, it was some B*****d with a torch bringing me more work
757ops From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2006, 318 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (9 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 6762 times:
Quoting Noelg (Reply 1): Okay, I see you're new here, but with all due respect sir you're talking out of your arse.
As I see from your profile you have never flown to Africa and I may be new here but I have 7 years experience in Civil Aviation Operations, some of which undertaken in Africa and if you had been you will know that in certain places the corruption is so bad that airlines cannot even re-fuel because the airports want $1000's over the fuel price just to refuel due to corruption, especially in West Africa
I suggest you listen to industry staff with first hand experience and make comments constructively and most of all politely
Noelg From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (9 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 6711 times:
Quoting 757ops (Reply 3): I have 7 years experience in Civil Aviation Operations
Maybe in that case you should be a little wiser about what you say then.
Yes I'm aware corruption goes on, but to blatantly accuse specific airlines (and national carriers at that, not just your Victor Bout type carriers) of corruption and being unsafe is unprofessional at best, and particularly slanderous.
Qm001 From Portugal, joined Mar 2004, 306 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (9 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 6661 times:
I would have to agree that you should really check you facts before slandering other countries carriers, I will have you know, that depite only having a small fleet that QM has a far better safety record that some other major African carriers.
I could understand your comments with regards some other African carriers, but I would suggest that you exclude QM, and GN from this generalisation. On the whole African carriers are far better these days than they used to be.
I personally would be worried to fly some carriers like UM at the moment, as well as some of the lesser known Nigerian operators.
On the whole I believe that African aviation will shortly start to see some very major consolidation, as I would imagine that most national carriers cannot survive alone for much longer.
QM 001 (167 Air Malawi)
I wish there was still a flying boat service on the African Lakes!
EurostarVA From Bahrain, joined May 2002, 1296 posts, RR: 7
Reply 6, posted (9 years 8 months 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 6567 times:
Your "corruption" accusation of the mentioned African airlines is laughable, really is, I was laughing. The problem with the likes of Bellview, etc. among other airlines in the African private sector, is mainly finance challenges, bureaucratic restrictions, and the difficult operating terrain. But I believe you were referring to the corruption which exists among African governments, which in turn results in a tough environment to do business in.