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CO EWR-HKG, It's Possible? (To ContinentalEWR)  
User currently offlineN503JB From Hong Kong, joined May 2000, 302 posts, RR: 2
Posted (14 years 2 months 1 week 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 2095 times:

I heard the news from my friend who's working Continental in Hong Kong. He said Continental will be starting service between EWR-HKG from Feb 2001. The type should B777-200. Do you heard about it (ContinentalEWR)?

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User currently offlineContinentalEWR From United States of America, joined May 2000, 3762 posts, RR: 13
Reply 1, posted (14 years 2 months 1 week 1 day ago) and read 1885 times:

Haven't heard this, but if CO does exercise options on 777's and the type
is approved for a polar route from NY to Hong Kong, then maybe. I bet
they could fill the plane.

We'll just have to see. I believe though the next spurt of Long Haul
growth for CO will be out of Houston, with more destinations in Europe
and Latin America.

Anyway, interesting idea. Thanks for the post.

ContinentalEWR


User currently offlineDrerx7 From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 5192 posts, RR: 8
Reply 2, posted (14 years 2 months 1 week 22 hours ago) and read 1878 times:

Actually, Continental will be starting EWR-HKG. I know the exact date, as well. However, this information is coming out of 1600 Smith Street, therefore I cannot give too many details.


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User currently offlineAFa340-300E From France, joined May 1999, 2084 posts, RR: 26
Reply 3, posted (14 years 2 months 1 week 13 hours ago) and read 1809 times:

Hello,

What was the policy regarding the flight tests made by different airlines, like American and United over the Pole, using Transpolar Routes?
I mean would Continental Airlines have to gain experience by itself like for ETOPS, or would they benefit directly from the experience gained from the airlines in general, and would launch say EWR-HKG using the Transpolar Routes from the first day of passenger revenue operations?


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User currently offlineVulindlela744 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 521 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (14 years 2 months 1 week 8 hours ago) and read 1771 times:

FIRST OF ALL CO. DOES NOT HAVE THE A/C TO FLY THIS ROUTE NON-STOP. CATHAY PACIFIC DID THE FLIGHT NON-STOP ONCE AS A PROVING TRIAL BUT THE FLIGHT WAS SEVERELY WEIGHT RESTRICTED. WITH THE NEW POLAR ROUTES OPENING UP SOON AND BETTER NAVIGATIONAL EQP. IT WILL BE POSSIBLE TO FLY THIS ROUTE NON-STOP BUT NOT WITH A 777. MAYBE THE NEW LONG RANGE 777 CAN MAKE IT. BUT THEN AGAIN THEIR IS ETOPS TO WORRY ABOUT. THE MOST PRACTICAL A/C WOULD BE THE A340-500 OR 747-400. WE'LL SEE.

User currently offlineCOexERJ From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (14 years 2 months 1 week 8 hours ago) and read 1764 times:

I can assure you that CO wouldn't even think about placing an order for the AB (always broke) they did away with AB's several years ago, and with CEO Gordon Bethune's ties at Boeing don't look for CO to be placing an AB order any time this century. I doubt they'd consider a 747, as fleet commonality is important at CO. Let's not forget that just a few years ago the CO fleet boasted some 13 different types--now they're down to 6 (soon to be 7 with the 767 coming online in a month or so) I don't see why an EWR HKG flight wouldn't be possible with the 777-200ER. It does the IAH NRT and the EWR NRT route with no problems or serious weight restrictions. Who knows?

User currently offlineCX flyboy From Hong Kong, joined Dec 1999, 6605 posts, RR: 55
Reply 6, posted (14 years 2 months 1 week 7 hours ago) and read 1759 times:

If this is true, it's great news! AA will also be coming fairly soon with their 777s, and if CO joins in, then all we need is DLs 777 as well!!!

The Cathay A340 that flew Toronto-HKG was weight restricted in the panning stages, but as it turned out on the day, the aircraft could have departed at MTOW and still made it to HKG with no problems. Of course, as weather conditions change, this may not be possible on a daily basis.


User currently offlineContinentalEWR From United States of America, joined May 2000, 3762 posts, RR: 13
Reply 7, posted (14 years 2 months 1 week 1 hour ago) and read 1728 times:

Continental has 10 777 aircraft currently on option,
options that they are likely to exercise. They may
wait a bit and possibly convert the options into a
firm order and given their relationship with Boeing,
they might be able to get the extra-range version
of the 777 in which case they wouldn't have any
problems flying the route with a 777.

As for the Cathay Pacific trial flight from New
York, it was done with a 747-400, not a 777.
Continental will certainly not order Airbus jet
aircraft anytime soon. They don't need them
and don't fit the fleet commonality strategy
the airline has adopted as part of its fleet
renewal. The 747-400 is too large an aircraft
for Continental.

ContinentalEWR


User currently offlineRayChuang From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 8018 posts, RR: 5
Reply 8, posted (14 years 2 months 1 week 1 hour ago) and read 1719 times:

Given that the range of the 777-200ER (neé 777-200IGW) is still not sufficient to fly EWR/IAH-HKG non-stop, what I think may happen is that if CO gets the EWR/IAH-HKG route, they will use Anchorage (ANC?) as a refuelling stop on this route.

If the route was EWR/IAH-NRT, then the 777-200ER can fly this route non-stop.


User currently offlinePacific From Hong Kong, joined Mar 2000, 1051 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (14 years 2 months 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 1710 times:

According to the Boeing homepage, a 777-200ER can fly 8861miles while a 747-400 flies 8400 meaning that a 772ER can fly further. With this fact, I'm sure Continental can start this service.

User currently offlineCO767-224ER From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (14 years 2 months 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 1689 times:

The 777-224ER does have the range to make EWR-HKG non-stop using the new polar routes which have opened up from the Russians.

User currently offlineLouis From Canada, joined Oct 2005, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (14 years 2 months 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 1674 times:

What about the runways? Newark doesn't have that long of runways, which are needed for those extra long flights, right?

User currently offlineLaxFlyer From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 158 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (14 years 2 months 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 1677 times:

You really believe this crap you post, don't you? Now answer me this one? Since you claim to actually work for us, and that your working at HQ. What is your post there? You come in here all the time with these silly little comments about "The secret plans" yet its all stuff that has been announced. Also I find it hard to believe that a 16 to 20 year old would be working at HQ.

User currently offlineContinentalEWR From United States of America, joined May 2000, 3762 posts, RR: 13
Reply 13, posted (14 years 2 months 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 1675 times:

If Newark's runways were short, then CO couldn't operate 777's to NRT now
could they?? Also, many airlines, including SIA, Virgin, Eva Air, El Al, Air
France, and Atlas Air use Newark with 747 equipment (-200, -300, -400's
and even -100's). If the runways were short, these planes couldn't land
there, now could they? I think you are thinking about LaGuardia, whose
runways are 7,000Ft long only, instead of the 10,000 ft normally seen at
airports.

LaGuardia cannot accomodate jets larger than the L1011/DC10 and
nowadays the largest jet you will see there is a DL 767-300.


User currently offlineFLY777UAL From United States of America, joined May 1999, 4512 posts, RR: 3
Reply 14, posted (14 years 2 months 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 1672 times:

ContinentalEWR--

A 747 doesn't need a long runway to land.  

F L Y 7 7 7 U A L


User currently offlineLouis From Canada, joined Oct 2005, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (14 years 2 months 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 1658 times:

No, Newark's runways are 8300 and 9200 ft long. I was reading somewhere that for those extra long-haul flights (like those to Hong Kong which require even more fuel), you need something like 11000+ ft long runways. That's why Boston doesn't have any flights to Asia (the KE flight stops at JFK). I'm just asking here...

User currently offlinePeter From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 570 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (14 years 2 months 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 1657 times:

If they can do it, its a great idea.

User currently offlineSammyk From United States of America, joined Oct 1999, 1690 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (14 years 2 months 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 1634 times:
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The runways at EWR have been extended, I believe both are now over 10,000ft, one is 11,000, the other might be JUST under 10,000, but I think its around that.

Check www.panynj.gov for exact details of the extensions.

Sammy


User currently offlineSk902hvy From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 64 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (14 years 2 months 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 1625 times:

Runway Information (from http://www.airnav.com)

Runway 4L/22R
Dimensions: 11000 x 150 ft. / 3353 x 46 m
RY04L/22R 1000 FT BY 500 FT STOPWAYS BOTH ENDS.
Surface: asphalt/grooved, in good condition
Weight limitations: PCN 62/F/A/W/T
Double wheel: 191000 lbs
Double tandem: 358000 lbs
Dual double tandem: 873000 lbs

Runway 4R/22L
Dimensions: 9980 x 150 ft. / 3042 x 46 m
Surface: asphalt/grooved, in good condition
Weight limitations: PCN 62/F/A/W/T
Double wheel: 191000 lbs
Double tandem: 358000 lbs
Dual double tandem: 873000 lbs

Runway 11/29
Dimensions: 6800 x 150 ft. / 2073 x 46 m
Surface: asphalt/grooved, in good condition
Weight limitations: PCN 62/F/A/W/T
Double wheel: 191000 lbs
Double tandem: 358000 lbs
Dual double tandem: 873000 lbs


--sk902hvy


User currently offlineFlyBoeing From United States of America, joined May 2000, 866 posts, RR: 2
Reply 19, posted (14 years 2 months 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 1597 times:

I believe that if CO buys new 777LR's and go to HKG then they should move their Continental Micronesia hub out of Guam and into some airport with an actual city (not Agana). CO ought to dump NRT as a hub city; it's just too crowded what with JAL and NW and ANA already there.

Also, how does flying transpolar make it easier to go from EWR to HKG? I know it helps on the way from EWR-NRT because Japan is way north. But how does it help going to a SE Asia destination?


User currently offlineVulindlela744 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 521 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (14 years 2 months 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 1594 times:

DUHHHHHHH.....FLY BOEING. LOOK AT A GLOBE SOME TIME THEN ASK THAT QUESTION AGAIN. THANKS!!!

User currently offlineSTT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16872 posts, RR: 51
Reply 21, posted (14 years 2 months 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 1590 times:

Although the Polar routes might be a longer trip distance wise between EWR and HKG,flights encounter much less headwinds thus making for a faster fuel efficient trip to Asia.


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User currently offlineIshky15 From United States of America, joined May 2000, 717 posts, RR: 12
Reply 22, posted (14 years 2 months 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 1544 times:

On the Yahoo, board, someone said that if this went through, we would hear an anouncement next month. They also mentioned something about HNL flts to Japan, which would include KIX and NRT. But I don't see how this is possibel with their current amount of widebodies.

Can someone actually clear this whole situation up with official info?


User currently offlineFlyBoeing From United States of America, joined May 2000, 866 posts, RR: 2
Reply 23, posted (14 years 2 months 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 1525 times:

Thanks for the tip on polar routes.

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