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Security Aviation Is Raided By FBI, USMS, Batf  
User currently offlineL-188 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 29792 posts, RR: 58
Posted (8 years 6 months 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 5219 times:

That is the lastest news from Security Aviation based in Anchorage.

Today a large number of federal agents, made up of members of just about every federal alphabet agency out there decended on Security Aviations hangers at Anchorage International, and their Palmer Alaska hanger. They also raided their corperate office in midtown Anchorage.

One Security Aviation employee was arrested and charged with failing to registering an explosive device. Reports are this was some sort of rocket launcher. Air operations by the charter carrier did not occur today.

http://www.adn.com/news/alaska/story/7411891p-7323718c.html

Security Aviation if you remember last week is also tied up in the fatal crash of an L-39 Albatros in Ketchikan Alaska. The aircraft was claimed to be repossed by AIrUSA and Security says that a Air USA employee stole the aircraft off their ramp by flashing the Customs badge from his other job. Security claims that AirUSA refuses to refund their deposit on 4 L-39's that they where interested in. They allege that the aircraft where not certificable and assembled from kits without manuals.

Anyway the news coverage for that was on this link I started.

http://www.airliners.net/discussions...general_aviation/read.main/2575816

I have a feeling this will get much deeper before we hear the whole story.

[Edited 2006-02-03 03:52:39]


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User currently offlineChugach From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 1041 posts, RR: 2
Reply 1, posted (8 years 6 months 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 5198 times:

The more I hear about this, the weirder it gets. Something tells me that Security Aviation will have gone the way of the dodo once it's all said and done with. I mean, one of their employees had a ROCKET LAUNCHER?

I'm all for the right to bear arms, but I personally frown on rocket launchers being possessed in my nearby vicinity.



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User currently offlineL-188 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 29792 posts, RR: 58
Reply 2, posted (8 years 6 months 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 5183 times:

You have to remember this isn't Mike O'neils company.

He died 3 years ago, and the certificate was sold last year.

The story I got was that the current owners where looking for a 135 certificate and made a bid on the company. That is about the time the company moved over to the F.S. Air hanger where I worked until they went under at the end of 2004.

My understanding was that they completely rebuilt the hanger, added a bunch of security features for doing "spook" work.

I also belive that they are the helicopter provider for the new valley hospital, provide the citation that Alaska Regional Hospital uses, and the aircraft that are in use by the Yukon Kuskowim Health Corperation for their respective medivac programs.

I don't know how the raid effected their operations but you have to figure the Twisted Sisters (Providence Life-flight) and Guardian Flight out of Fairbanks had to be enjoying the extra income.



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User currently offlineANCFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (8 years 6 months 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 5120 times:

My curiosity is piqued about the rocket launcher? Couple that with the L-39 and all the spook shit at their hanger . . . . you know, things that make you o Hmmmmmmm  scratchchin  scratchchin  scratchchin 

User currently offlineBennett123 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2004, 7482 posts, RR: 3
Reply 4, posted (8 years 6 months 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 5111 times:

I'm all for the right to bear arms, but I personally frown on rocket launchers being possessed in my nearby vicinity.

Can't blame the guy for ambition.

What next an ICBM  Wink


User currently offlineANCFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (8 years 6 months 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 5098 times:

Quoting Bennett123 (Reply 4):
but I personally frown on rocket launchers being possessed in my nearby vicinity.

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y60/csmpep/TankinGarage.jpg


 biggrin 


User currently offlineBennett123 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2004, 7482 posts, RR: 3
Reply 6, posted (8 years 6 months 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 5091 times:

Amendment II

A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

I may be missing the point here, but as I read it, the right to bear arms is for purpose of providing a well regulated militia. I think that a lot of people read the second part in isolation.

Incidentally it is an amendment thr Bills of Rights.


User currently offlineGoaliemn From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 463 posts, RR: 3
Reply 7, posted (8 years 6 months 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 5044 times:

Quoting Bennett123 (Reply 6):
I may be missing the point here, but as I read it, the right to bear arms is for purpose of providing a well regulated militia. I think that a lot of people read the second part in isolation.

Or alot of people don't know the definition of militia.. from websters..

"1 a : a part of the organized armed forces of a country liable to call only in emergency b : a body of citizens organized for military service
2 : the whole body of able-bodied male citizens declared by law as being subject to call to military service"

Since I am draftable, I think I'd qualify as 2, at the very least. 1b may even be a qualifier. I also do recommend reading the Federalist Papers (http://www.law.ou.edu/hist/federalist/) written by Alexander Hamilton, James Madison, and John Jay. They provide some interesting insight into how they felt the constitution should be interpreted, and they did write parts of it..

Back to aviation chat, however  Wink


User currently offlineL-188 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 29792 posts, RR: 58
Reply 8, posted (8 years 6 months 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 4991 times:

http://www.adn.com/news/alaska/story/7414445p-7326156c.html

This morning newspaper went into a bit more background.

The news last night said that 9 different federal agencies where involved in the raid.



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User currently offlineL-188 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 29792 posts, RR: 58
Reply 9, posted (8 years 6 months 18 hours ago) and read 4931 times:

Well the airline today on the news said their flight ops aren't effected by the raids.

One side buisness of the owners is being effected. He also owns a company that does contract GPS monitoring of prisoners on Parole. So right now every prisoner that has 3rd party monitoring as a condition of their bail is being asked to turn themselves in, since technically they are in violation of the parole while the company is shut down.

So far they are just being asked, but the clear message is that if they don't voluntarily go to jail, the cops will be hunting them down.



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User currently offlineDougloid From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (8 years 6 months 18 hours ago) and read 4917 times:

Interesting stuff about the former assistant county attorney. He fell into some big deals real fast....sounds like he was well connected or else something really hinky was going on. Should be fun to see how it develops.

User currently offlineL-188 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 29792 posts, RR: 58
Reply 11, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 5 days 2 hours ago) and read 4801 times:

http://www.ktuu.com/cms/anmviewer.asp?a=3501&z=1

Latest update, they had the bail hearing for the guy they arrested with the rocket pod. Apparently the feds seized two of them, and have 3 former Security Aviation employee's that say he told them to 1st search for them and then order them for the company.

Apparently he had $20,000 in cash in a briefcase when he was arrested, and a number of documents that suggested that he might have worked for several differenent US and Government agencies....or else they where faked.

Security apparently is getting out of the L-39 buisness. They have laid off 14 pilots and are going to put a Gulfstream (II, I belive) on the market.

Edit: Wanted to add the link to a more in-depth story in the Anchorage Daily News.....Usually they will let you read the 1st one, but you might need a free subscription to read it.
http://www.adn.com/news/alaska/story/7428702p-7339570c.html

[Edited 2006-02-08 20:53:49]


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User currently offlineL-188 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 29792 posts, RR: 58
Reply 12, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 4743 times:

http://www.ktuu.com/cms/anmviewer.asp?a=3513&z=1

Another updated.

Bail was denied to the guy with the rocket launcher.



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User currently offlineANCFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 4654 times:

And yet another update - this one quite the revelation.

I'm thinking anyone with an interest in "Securty Aviation Alaska" ought to bail out now . . . and do it fast . . .

http://www.adn.com/front/story/7440909p-7351731c.html

A few exerpts:

Melissa Bucknall has been a flight paramedic for about a decade, but nothing in her emergency training and experience prepared her for what she saw last summer when her work brought her in contact with the men who had taken over Security Aviation.

She had just returned to Anchorage from an emergency flight and arrived at the Security hangar on the south side of Ted Stevens Anchorage International Airport around 2 a.m. One of the company's Gulfstream executive jets had just landed too, she said.

At that early morning in September, Kane and Hopper invited Bucknall to board the Gulfstream, a plane with intercontinental range and one of two Avery had recently acquired. They told her they had just arrived from overseas.

"They had it set up under the guise of a medevac, with a full bar in it, by the way," she said. The cabin was comfortable, but they were also eager to show off what was under the cabin floor.

When they lifted the carpet and undid the hatch, she saw a compartment filled with weapons: guns on hangers, devices that looked like grenades or smoke bombs, flak jackets -- enough for a half-dozen men to hold off a sizable attacking force.

"They had enough handguns in there to stick in every single pocket they could ever think of," she said. There were two heavy machine guns, the kind that usually mount on a tripod, and at least two belts of large-caliber ammunition for them. She saw assault rifles and ammo clips and silencers, she said.

The windowless room was "just floor-to-ceiling weapons," Bucknall said, with an area for a gunsmith to work


User currently offlineL-188 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 29792 posts, RR: 58
Reply 14, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 4600 times:

I was wondering how long it was going to take before names that I knew started to show up in the paper.

Dennis Hopper, Doc Hudson and Mellissa where all medics I used to work with.

Well Hudson was the controling doctor responsible for the Alaska Regional Hospital medivac program. This program was operated by Pen-air for years then went to FS Air until the folded and then ended up at Security Aviation. I had to talk to him several times on the phone as part of my duties and met him a couple of times. His job when he was on duty was to give the ok for medivac flight and accepting pts into the hospital.

Mielissa was one of the medics. I only really saw them when they where passing in and out from flights or checking equipment. This was different then the YKHC program which stationed their medics in the hanger. This gave me more of an opportunity to interact with their side of the fence.

Dennis, I liked him when I worked there. Don't remember any talk of him being in the CIA. When I knew him he was retired Air Force who became a flight paramedic working for the YKHC health corperation. They operate the hospital in Bethel Alaska. Where I worked at the time had their contract to provide the aircraft they used. This was because Floyd Saltz started the medivac company and then sold it to YKHC but with the proviso that his company would continue to provide the aircraft. He was a door gunner on Jolly Greens in nam. He does like his firearms. I remember being at the local Ammo King one day when he came him with two of his latest class III aquistions...a M-249 and a HK-308.

I am going to tell two stories.....one time we had a long flight that required out lear to have max fuel loaded on it. Anyway it was winter but we where in the middle of a chinook cycle so we had water on ice on the ramp. Our tug couldn't tow the aircraft up the ramp (slightly sloped) because of it. He brought his personal truck around airside, and we hooked the towbar up to it. It was a custom F550 that was built to tow a 5th wheel around. Had no problem moving that aircraft. Story also says alot about my companies belief in buying the appropriate equipment for the job.

The other one deals with what I consider the low point of my aviation career. I had sent another lear out and it didn't come back. Ran off the end of the destination runway due to the state only sandling the first half ot the runway. Nobody was hurt thank god. Anyway it happened on my friday, so the next day I needed to blow off some steam, so I took my M9 and my Ballista-Molina down to the rifle range to blow off that steam-shooting is actually very relaxing. Anyway he was down there with some of the other members of the Anchorage Machine Gun Club. When I pulled out I stopped by to say hi (His Custom F550 is easy to spot) he asked about the incident with the airplane. Then he offered to let me run a magazine through the MP-45 he had with him. I have to tell you that full auto when you are down, is a great pick me up Big grin



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User currently offlineL-188 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 29792 posts, RR: 58
Reply 15, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 4531 times:

The second half of the story that ANCFLYER posted was published today.

I was a little surprised to see Ethan Berkowitz in it. He is one of hte more left wing state senators and is currently running on the Democratic ticket for Governor of Alaska.

http://www.adn.com/news/alaska/story/7443490p-7354338c.html



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User currently offlineLTBEWR From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 13042 posts, RR: 12
Reply 16, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 4525 times:

What was going on with this 'Security Aviation'? Are they part of some right wing nutcase group? Were they supporting some nasties in 3rd world countries that the US Government doesn't want anyone to support? Were they just bunch of greedy gun runners, just selling to the highest bidders? I hope the rest of the story comes out soon, but from what has been posted so far it looks really wierd and potential terrorists.

User currently offlineL-188 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 29792 posts, RR: 58
Reply 17, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 4512 times:

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 13):
I'm thinking anyone with an interest in "Securty Aviation Alaska" ought to bail out now . . . and do it fast . . .

Hey, I am just enjoying the fact that I am seeing people I know show up in the papers...This is better then when I was in Germany in the Army, My mom would send me the local paper and the first thing I would go through was the police blotter to see who I knew, screwed up.

Quoting LTBEWR (Reply 16):
I hope the rest of the story comes out soon, but from what has been posted so far it looks really wierd and potential terrorists.

Acutally, from what it is sounding like, they where trying to get into the rendition buisness. You know moving towelheads to other countries so that US laws don't apply to them.

I don't have the Tail# of their Gulfstream, It would be interesting to see where spotters have seen it.



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User currently offlineANCFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (8 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 4462 times:

Quoting L-188 (Reply 15):
I was a little surprised to see Ethan Berkowitz in it. He is one of hte more left wing state senators and is currently running on the Democratic ticket for Governor of Alaska.

I laughed when I saw that - cause I don't like that little pinhead anyway - and then I laughed louder when I read the part where Berkowitz said "I don't know him well and haven't seen him in a while". Immediate disclaimer . . . consumate politician's answer.


User currently offlineL-188 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 29792 posts, RR: 58
Reply 19, posted (8 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 4454 times:

Just found Sercurity Aviations webpage.

Would you belive that there is not any mention of the events of the past couple of weeks?

http://www.securityaviation.biz/

Nice shot of Dutch Harbor and what I think is the airport at Sand Point.



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User currently offlineANCFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (8 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 4388 times:

Another update . . .

http://www.adn.com/news/alaska/story/7445675p-7356227c.html


User currently offlineL-188 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 29792 posts, RR: 58
Reply 21, posted (8 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 4353 times:

I wonder if they ended up at the FAA hanger at International. USMS borrows space in that barn.

I thought the planes might have gone on-base somewhere, but 5th&C is a bit far down the road for that.

Still would have been quite a site.

Did you see that story on Channel 2.

Apparently Robert Kane the guy they arrested for having the rocket launcher was a suspect and may have been involved in a robbery/Murder here in town about a decade ago.

http://www.ktuu.com/cms/anmviewer.asp?a=3582&z=1



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User currently offlineANCFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (8 years 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 4314 times:

Quoting L-188 (Reply 21):
Apparently Robert Kane the guy they arrested for having the rocket launcher was a suspect and may have been involved in a robbery/Murder here in town about a decade ago.

Yes, I saw it - a friend of mine - Terry Becker - was the Armored Car Security Officer that was killed. Terry once told me that if anything ever went sour with his job it would be at the Carrs Gambell or Carrs Aurora Store . . . he was, unfortunately, correct.

This isn't over yet.

I'd bet you're right, they probably took the planes to the FAA hanger. I can't imagine them having access to a place on E-Dorf, and there's certainly no place at Ft. Rich for them. I wonder though, maybe Kulis??


User currently offlineL-188 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 29792 posts, RR: 58
Reply 23, posted (8 years 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 4303 times:

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 22):
I can't imagine them having access to a place on E-Dorf, and there's certainly no place at Ft. Rich for them. I wonder though, maybe Kulis??

Well I figured that they might not be hangered....So the FAA Hanger/Ramp or maybe the OAS Hanger/Ramp...

I can't think of any other hangers that are open over there...Kulis is always crowded.



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