ASTROJET707 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 299 posts, RR: 5 Posted (10 years 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 2613 times:
If an airline or leasing company whomever owns an aircraft retires it sending it to the desert...if it cannot be sold does the owner the sell parts or scrap it completely? I assume these graveyards charge to store jets, so does the graveyard buy the jet and part it out or does the graveyard part it out for a fee from the owner? Thanks.
MX757 From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 628 posts, RR: 10
Reply 1, posted (10 years 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 2568 times:
If a leasing company or an airline can't lease or sell the aircraft then they part it out. Usually the reason an aircraft is parted out is due to high time or age, corrosion that is so bad that it's not economical to repair, and the cost of putting an aircraft through a heavy check ('D' check for example) is also not economically feasible. Leasing companies and airlines can make more money parting an aircraft out then selling it whole. The prices they can get for engines and the avionics equipment alone can be more than the entire aircraft's intact worth.
An old airliner is a lot like an old car, the older it gets the more maintenance is required to keep it airworthy. I know this first hand because I am an aircraft technician. Have you noticed a lot of the aircraft in storage facilities like MHV and GYR have outdated aircraft models? You usually see aircraft like 727's, 737-200's, 747-100/-200's, DC-8's, DC-9's/M80's, DC-10's, and A300's is because one they are not fuel efficient, there newer updated versions of the type, and once again they're old and require more maintenance to keep them airworthy.
Quoting ASTROJET707 (Thread starter): I assume these graveyards charge to store jets, so does the graveyard buy the jet and part it out or does the graveyard part it out for a fee from the owner? Thanks
I'm not sure about this one but it would be a good assumption that graveyards charge for storage, especially if the aircraft is not going to parted out and either re-leased or sold intact. I'm sure there is a company on field that charges the aircraft owner for parting out and then dismantling the stripped aircraft.
DeltaGuy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (10 years 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 2550 times:
The actual authority owning the storage grounds bills the airline for the storage on a monthly basis...something like $500/month was starting rent, IIRC...and that's just parking, add in other services like monthly engine runs, etc, then it gets expensive.
If the airline does jettisson it along with it's other shipmates, the scrap/salvager will buy it and the profits from it will be his, but also the labor and disposal costs fall on him too.
If I recall correctly, DL got a break on it's 764's as it sold 10 of it's L1011's at MHV to Boeing for something like a million or something, where then they were sold to a scrap merchant who was able to make at least a mil on each of the jets, between engines, avionics, scrap metal, etc.
Airways45 From United Kingdom, joined May 2000, 302 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (10 years 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 2467 times:
Some of those jets still stored that haven't been parted out are likely to be still there because someone owns them, and doesn't want to take the write-off on their watch! They are, afterall, on someone's books as an asset! In addition, they may be 'valued' at far more than their actual value, so, they wait until the market 'recovers'... either in terms of lease rates or aircraft values. However, if you've got some old timer L1011s, DC8s, 747 Classics etc, you might be waiting a long time!
Its funny seeing rows of airliners that will never fly again still technically 'stored'...
The sum of their parts is likely to be worth more than the aircraft as a whole since the parts can be sold on the surplus market and net their owner a tidy sum