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Boeing 777-200LR Ready For Take-Off!  
User currently offlineNWDC10 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (8 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 11257 times:

Boeing 777-200LR is now certified for passengers. http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/11150751/ Robert NWDC10

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User currently offline777ER From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 12082 posts, RR: 18
Reply 1, posted (8 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 11253 times:
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http://www.boeing.com/news/releases/2006/q1/060202e_nr.html

Was just about the hit confirm to start a thread on this when I noticed this thread


User currently offlineN79969 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (8 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 11205 times:

By the end of this month, the A345 will no longer be the title holder. It will be interesting to see what will supplant the 772LR sometime down the road. In the meantime, the 772LR is going to ply some amazing distances.

User currently offlineBoeingFever777 From United States of America, joined Jul 2009, 409 posts, RR: 54
Reply 3, posted (8 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 11163 times:

Nice! Hopefully now some more orders to will start to fly into Seattle.


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User currently offlineBWIA 772 From Barbados, joined May 2002, 2200 posts, RR: 2
Reply 4, posted (8 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 11148 times:

Quoting BoeingFever777 (Reply 3):
Nice! Hopefully now some more orders to will start to fly into Seattle.

I am sure that in these orders you hope that one of the customers will be Singapore. BTW when will the first one be delivered to PIA.



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User currently offlineNWDC10 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (8 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 11148 times:

(In distance wise) Today The Boeing 777-200LR-Tomorrow The Boeing 787. Congradulations Boeing. Robert NWDC10

User currently offlineGigneil From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 16347 posts, RR: 85
Reply 6, posted (8 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 11131 times:

Quoting N79969 (Reply 2):
In the meantime, the 772LR is going to ply some amazing distances.


I don't want to seem like a Airbus cheerleader, but it won't. Not in any scheduled service with anyone that's ordered it.

N


User currently offlineN79969 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (8 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 11107 times:

Quoting Gigneil (Reply 6):
I don't want to seem like a Airbus cheerleader, but it won't. Not in any scheduled service with anyone that's ordered it.

Since you brought it up...you certainly are one of those.

Anyway, I would consider the longest routes currently operated by the A345 to be "amazing distances." What will be impressive is that the 772LR will make the trips with serious payloads.


User currently offlineBoeingFever777 From United States of America, joined Jul 2009, 409 posts, RR: 54
Reply 8, posted (8 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 11075 times:

Quoting BWIA 772 (Reply 4):
BTW when will the first one be delivered to PIA.

For AP-BGY which is going to PK I believe its:

Rollout: 2/15
Delivery: is 2/24



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User currently offlineKaitak744 From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 2360 posts, RR: 3
Reply 9, posted (8 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 11037 times:

Quoting N79969 (Reply 7):
Anyway, I would consider the longest routes currently operated by the A345 to be "amazing distances."

Well, wait till you see LHR SYD nonstop.

LHR-SYD on a 777-200LR is like SIN-EWR on an A340-500 (payload wise).


User currently offlineAviator27 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (8 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 10955 times:

Lets do some math on the B777LR:

Max Takeoff Weight = 768,000 lbs
Operating Empty Weight = 320,000 lbs (OEW)
Max Payload = 141,000 lbs
Max Zero Fuel Weight = 461,000 lbs (OEW+Payload with NO FUEL)
Max Fuel Capacity = 358,048 lbs (includes 3 Aux Tanks in Aft Cargo Hold)

Max Fuel + Max Payload + Operating Empty Weight = 819,048 lbs

That is 51,048 lbs over Max Takeoff Weight.

Conclusion: No way can B777LR takeoff with Max Payload and Max Fuel.

All numbers are from Boeing's Technical Documents.


User currently offlineAviator27 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (8 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 10908 times:

Lets do some more math on the A340-500:

Max Takeoff Weight = 837,800 lbs
Max Payload = 129,630 lbs
Max Zero Fuel Weight = 511,500 lbs
Max Fuel Capacity = 392,928 lbs

Max Fuel + Max Zero Fuel = 904,428 lbs

That is 66,628 lb over Max Takeoff Weight.

Conclusion: A340-500 also cannot takeoff with Max Payload and Max Fuel.

I lacked Airbus's figure for OEW.
Max Zero Fuel Weight is the limit for Operating Empty Weight + Payload.

All numbers are from Airbus' web site.


User currently offlineAndesSMF From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (8 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 10890 times:

Quoting Aviator27 (Reply 10):



Quoting Aviator27 (Reply 11):

Impressive, most impressive.

Hint: Star Wars V


User currently offlineJacobin777 From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 14968 posts, RR: 60
Reply 13, posted (8 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 10809 times:

Quoting Aviator27 (Reply 10):

That is 51,048 lbs over Max Takeoff Weight.

Conclusion: No way can B777LR takeoff with Max Payload and Max Fuel

even if your numbers are correct...

1) carriers such as PK and EK won't be using max configurations
2) neither would SQ nor QF if they decide to purchase it

3) it certainly beats in comparison with the A345, especially in the extra cargo and fuel burn...



"Up the Irons!"
User currently offlineCricket From India, joined Aug 2005, 2966 posts, RR: 7
Reply 14, posted (8 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 10737 times:

AI however has ordered the LR in max config so as to fly BOM/DEL-LAX/SFO non-stop. AI's fgirst 777-237LR arrives in February 2007, that will be the first demo of the LR's true capabilities.


A300B2/B4/6R, A313, A319/320/321, A333, A343, A388, 737-2/3/4/7/8/9, 747-3/4, 772/2E/2L/3, E170/190, F70, CR2/7, 146-3,
User currently offlineAtmx2000 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 4576 posts, RR: 38
Reply 15, posted (8 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 10727 times:

Quoting Aviator27 (Reply 10):
Conclusion: No way can B777LR takeoff with Max Payload and Max Fuel.

Not sure what your point is here. No one is suggesting that it could.



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User currently offlineWhiteHatter From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (8 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 10717 times:

Quoting Kaitak744 (Reply 9):

Well, wait till you see LHR SYD nonstop.

will not happen with the current aircraft.

Cheerleaders can scream all they want but basic economics means that route is not feasible with the current 772LR or A345. Especially in a high-cost fuel environment which just makes it even less likely.


User currently offlineJacobin777 From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 14968 posts, RR: 60
Reply 17, posted (8 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 17 hours ago) and read 10665 times:

Quoting WhiteHatter (Reply 16):
will not happen with the current aircraft.

Cheerleaders can scream all they want but basic economics means that route is not feasible with the current 772LR or A345. Especially in a high-cost fuel environment which just makes it even less likely.

c'mon mate..you know better than that...most here agree that the 777-200LR can fly with around 220-230 pax 9 months of the year on the "holy grail" route....this is what QF is deciding about..

the current A345 is waaaaaaaaaaaay out of the running.!



"Up the Irons!"
User currently offlineIkramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21457 posts, RR: 60
Reply 18, posted (8 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 16 hours ago) and read 10497 times:

Quoting Gigneil (Reply 6):
I don't want to seem like a Airbus cheerleader, but it won't. Not in any scheduled service with anyone that's ordered it.

EK and AC might beg to differ.

Quoting Aviator27 (Reply 10):
Conclusion: No way can B777LR takeoff with Max Payload and Max Fuel.

Who claimed it could? Most planes can't. At MTOW, there's a curve that you plot along to show distance relating fuel to usable payload. But planes are generally designed to be profitable at many points on that curve. QF was looking to test the limits of profitability on the curve, and still hasn't come up with a viable point, but it doesn't mean it doesn't exist and won't be found as the 772LR enters service.

It might be that like the 773ER, a few more hundred miles can be tweaked out of the standard range chart. Or it might not be the case. Nobody will know until real world results are tabulated over time.



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User currently offlineAircellist From Canada, joined Oct 2004, 1703 posts, RR: 8
Reply 19, posted (8 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 9652 times:

I think Gigneil's observation is valid: up to now, nothing has been announced that would beat the A345's current record.

Does not mean that nothing will come, probably just not yet.


User currently offlineAA777223 From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 1227 posts, RR: 6
Reply 20, posted (8 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 9443 times:

Does anyone know what routes PIA has planned for their new LRs?


Sic 'em bears
User currently offlineWagz From United States of America, joined Mar 2003, 516 posts, RR: 17
Reply 21, posted (8 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 9378 times:
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Quoting Aviator27 (Reply 10):
Conclusion: No way can B777LR takeoff with Max Payload and Max Fuel.

Wow, considering most commercial aircraft (and even GA aircraft) in existance can't have both max fuel and max payload without busting MTOW, that's in no way special at all.

The point is that the 772LR can operate current long range routes with greater payload than the A345, and possibly new longer routes still with a decent payload.



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User currently offlineAirbazar From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 8162 posts, RR: 10
Reply 22, posted (8 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 9100 times:

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 18):
Quoting Gigneil (Reply 6):
I don't want to seem like a Airbus cheerleader, but it won't. Not in any scheduled service with anyone that's ordered it.

EK and AC might beg to differ.

Exactly which of EK's and AC's route will be longer than SIN-EWR?
There isn't a single route out of Dubai, or India, Pakistan, or Canada that is longer than SIN-EWR so unless SQ starts flying the aircraft you will not see the A345 record be broken any time soon. I suspect that LHR-SYD or YYZ-SYD will be the next "longest flight", possibly with a 772LR, possibly not, but it will not happen for another few years.


User currently offlineJacobin777 From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 14968 posts, RR: 60
Reply 23, posted (8 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 8911 times:

Quoting AA777223 (Reply 20):
Does anyone know what routes PIA has planned for their new LRs?

most probably YYZ or IAH with ORD and JFK mentioned....but I think it will be YYZ and/or IAH as #1/#2



"Up the Irons!"
User currently offlineDIJKKIJK From France, joined Jul 2003, 1780 posts, RR: 4
Reply 24, posted (8 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 8911 times:

Quoting AA777223 (Reply 20):
Does anyone know what routes PIA has planned for their new LRs?

LHE-KHI-YYZ will be the first route.



Never argue with idiots. They will bring you down to their level, and beat you with experience.
25 Gmonney : The YYZ route is not shorty!... can't wait to see them here at YYZ... any idea of when PIA is going to cross the pond, I imagine right away? Since thi
26 YULWinterSkies : Exactly. Breaking records might be sexy, but if there is no market to sustain the route, well... What if SIN-EWR were the world's longest sustainable
27 Don81603 : According to the great circle mapper, ewr-sin is 8285nm. If the AC772LR's can make the jump from YYZ to SYD, the distance is 8397nm. 112 nm longer.
28 AA777223 : I think with steady improvements to the 777LRs engines and systems, it will eventually be capable of sustaining service from LHR to SYD. If it's alrea
29 AirCanada014 : Its nice to see AC's name in the news on boeing site. Its going to be interesting to see AC will have 2 different a/c types offering the longest range
30 GARPD : Isn't it possible that once in service, the 200LR will find its feet, just as the 300ER did. By that I mean once in service, the 300ER reliased a bett
31 UNDBoeingNut : is the 10,840 listed in the article a new number or is that an older one that is escaping the brain right now?
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