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BA (operated By BMED) To Fly To Urumqi - China  
User currently offlineConcorde001 From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2005, 1230 posts, RR: 3
Posted (8 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 7265 times:

According to PPRUNE:

Quote:
BMED are to start flights from London Heathrow to Ankara in Turkey, and to Urumqi in China. Ankara daily non-stop, Urumqi schedule not yet published.

Can't find any info on flybmed.com or ba.com?
With an all shorthaul Airbus fleet, surely Urumqi will be one-stop? Some have mentioned via Ekaterinburg, which BMED already serves.

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User currently offlineGkirk From UK - Scotland, joined Jun 2000, 24928 posts, RR: 56
Reply 1, posted (8 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 7261 times:

Would have thought it would have needed to be 2 stop unless they are getting an a.c such as a 757 or 767 which could do 1 stop?


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User currently offlineCHRISBA777ER From UK - England, joined Mar 2001, 5964 posts, RR: 62
Reply 2, posted (8 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 7225 times:

A319? LONG flight for a narrowbody.


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User currently offlineCedarjet From United Kingdom, joined May 1999, 8093 posts, RR: 54
Reply 3, posted (8 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 7225 times:

Hang on, Urumqi is western China, right? Which makes it a lot closer to London that Beijing, Shanghai or Hong Kong. Urumqi via Ekaterinburg is like Boston via Reykjavik. If BMed are doing Tehran nonstop with A321s, they're able to do Urumqi via Ekaterinberg with A320s.


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User currently offlinePe@rson From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 19215 posts, RR: 52
Reply 4, posted (8 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 7206 times:

LHR-URC non-stop would be about 3364 NM, so not much further than the range of the 320. So, it could easily do it with one-stop. The most obvious would be elsewhere in Russia, like Perm, adding about 10 NM to the route, or Novosibirsk, adding about 150 NM onto the route (LHR-OVB would be about 2813 NM, which might be too far), or, as aformentioned, Ekaterinburg. I don't whether there's sufficient demand from for service to PEE or OVB from London (including connecting passengers), but I would say that there probably is, particularly to OVB.


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User currently offlineBritPilot777 From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2004, 1075 posts, RR: 2
Reply 5, posted (8 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 7206 times:

Quoting Gkirk (Reply 1):
Would have thought it would have needed to be 2 stop unless they are getting an a.c such as a 757 or 767 which could do 1 stop?

Probably wouldn't make much sense bringing in a 757 or 767, just complicate matters for BMED with Boeing aircraft in terms of maintenance etc.

Also LHR to SVX is about 2400 Miles, with SVX to URC about 1400 miles. So one stop would do it. Range on the A320 is about 2800 miles roughly I think, anyone correct me on that??

BP777



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User currently offlineNoelg From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (8 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 7180 times:

It would be good to finally get a decent direct service to some of the Russian cities east of SVO. To get to Perm, Yekaterinburg, Novosibirsk etc you either have to go via Russia or Europe.

A non-stop service would be good for the business traveller, who at present would have a good day of travelling to get there, and would be able to do it in a 4-6 hour flight.

Cheers,
Noel


User currently offlineAIR MALTA From Malta, joined Sep 2001, 2499 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (8 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 7130 times:

Quoting Concorde001 (Thread starter):
According to PPRUNE:

Quote:
BMED are to start flights from London Heathrow to Ankara in Turkey, and to Urumqi in China. Ankara daily non-stop, Urumqi schedule not yet published.

Well the flights to Ankara start with Summer schedules. Strange that BA or BMED did not announce anything.

Schedules to Ankara look like this :

London - Ankara

1------ 15:00 20:55 320 BA6595
-2----- 16:15 22:10 321 BA6593
--3---7 19:00 00:55 320 BA6593
----5-- 21:00 02:55 320 BA6659
---4--- 21:05 03:00 320 BA6593
-----6- 21:25 03:20 320 BA6589

Ankara - London

-2----- 07:35 10:00 320 BA6596
-----6- 08:25 10:50 320 BA6660
------7 09:40 12:05 320 BA6594
--3---- 09:40 12:05 321 BA6590
1--4--- 11:25 13:50 320 BA6594
----5-- 13:25 15:50 320 BA6594

You can notice that the flight numbers are not the same every day and that ther flights stop long in Ankara. They may be preparing flights to Iraq or other places in the region.

[Edited 2006-02-03 14:33:54]


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User currently offlineAceFreighter From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2003, 179 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (8 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 7130 times:

BA (BMED) already fly LHR to Ekaterinberg (SVX) three times a week with A320

User currently offlineBY738 From Tonga, joined Sep 2000, 2301 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (8 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 7044 times:

Quoting AceFreighter (Reply 8):
BA (BMED) already fly LHR to Ekaterinberg (SVX) three times a week with A320

As previously mentioned

Quoting Concorde001 (Thread starter):
Some have mentioned via Ekaterinburg, which BMED already serves


User currently offlineLTU932 From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 13864 posts, RR: 50
Reply 10, posted (8 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 6927 times:

Quoting BritPilot777 (Reply 5):
Probably wouldn't make much sense bringing in a 757 or 767, just complicate matters for BMED with Boeing aircraft in terms of maintenance etc.

BMED could wet lease them from BA, so BA would be fully responsible for flight crew and MX. But as I said, they could, I'm not saying they will.

According to Airbus, the max range of an A320-200 is 3050 nm, so if they were to operate this flight, it would definitely be on a one stop routing both ways.

Quoting CHRISBA777ER (Reply 2):
A319? LONG flight for a narrowbody.

But not impossible for an A319. Airbus lists the max range of an A319 at 3700 nm. So, since LHR-URC is 3374 nm in distance, it would still be within range for an A319 to serve this destination nonstop.


User currently offlineBilly From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2000, 895 posts, RR: 7
Reply 11, posted (8 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 6896 times:

URC is a long way off in BMed's planning. Traffic is weak, but growing.

User currently offlineVasu From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2005, 3899 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (8 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 6730 times:

On a side-note, I read on the B|Med website that all new aircraft since May 2005 have PTVs in Y... how many aircraft have them? And are they the same as normal WT or something different? Any pictures?

User currently offlineFlyCaledonian From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2003, 2083 posts, RR: 3
Reply 13, posted (8 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 6726 times:

I think the different flight number for Ankara represent the fact that those flights will be continuing on elsewhere. BMED have a good policy of introducing new routes via another destination. Later on I'll spend time trying to work out what is afoot with the BMED schedules and post back....


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User currently offlineFlyCaledonian From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2003, 2083 posts, RR: 3
Reply 14, posted (8 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 6611 times:

Okay, checked ba.com and baa.com, and BMED is indeed to offer a daily service to Ankara (Esenboga). Nothing announced on ba.com or flybmed.com, though by checking the ba.com schedules you can see ESB is getting daily service, with all flights contuing elsewhere. Not yet on sale, hence why I guess no announcement, so guess the people at schedules have got these published ahead of that! Below is a summary of BMED's summer schedules, which seems to see another rejig to the one-stop flights, with more destinations being served daily.

BA6501 London Heathrow - Beirut _____5_
BA6502 Beirut - London Heathrow _____6_
BA6505 London Heathrow - Beirut 12_4_67
BA6505 Beirut - Amman 123_56_
BA6506 Amman - Beirut 123_5_7
BA6506 Beirut - London Heathrow 123_5_7
BA6509 London Heathrow - Beirut ____5__
BA6509 Beirut - Damascus _____6_
BA6510 Damascus - Beirut _____6_
BA6510 Beirut - London Heathrow _____6_
BA6517 London Heathrow - Beirut __3____
BA6517 Beirut - Addis Ababa __3____
BA6518 Addis Ababa - Beirut ___4___
BA6518 Beirut - London Heathrow ___4___
BA6521 London Heathrow - Amman __3_5__
BA6522 Amman - London Heathrow ___4_6_
BA6555 London Heathrow - Aleppo __3___7
BA6555 Aleppo - Damascus __3___7
BA6556 Damascus - Aleppo 1__4___
BA6556 Aleppo - London Heathrow 1__4___
BA6565 London Heathrow - Alexandria Borg el Arab 1__4_67
BA6565 Alexandria Borg el Arab - Addis Ababa _23_5_7
BA6566 Addis Ababa - Alexandria Borg el Arab 12_4_6_
BA6566 Alexandria Borg el Arab - London Heathrow 12__5_7
BA6581 London Heathrow - Yerevan _2_4_6_
BA6581 Yerevan - Tashkent __3_5_7
BA6582 Tashkent - Yerevan __3_5_7
BA6582 Yerevan - London Heathrow __3_5_7
BA6585 London Heathrow - Yerevan 1_3_5_7
BA6585 Yerevan - Bishkek 12_4_6_
BA6586 Bishkek - Yerevan 12_4_6_
BA6586 Yerevan - London Heathrow 12_4_6_
BA6589 London Heathrow - Ankara Esenboga _2_____
BA6589 Ankara Esenboga - Damascus __3____
BA6590 Damascus - Ankara Esenboga __3____
BA6590 Ankara Esenboga - London Heathrow __3____
BA6593 London Heathrow - Ankara Esenboga __34_67
BA6593 Ankara Esenboga - Khartoum 1__456_
BA6594 Khartoum - Ankara Esenboga 1__45_7
BA6594 Ankara Esenboga - London Heathrow 1__45_7
BA6595 London Heathrow - Ankara Esenboga 1______
BA6595 Ankara Esenboga - Khartoum 1______
BA6596 London Heathrow - Ankara Esenboga _2____
BA6596 Ankara Esenboga - Khartoum _2_____
BA6597 London Heathrow - Tbilisi _2_4_6_
BA6598 Tbilisi - London Heathrow __3_5_7
BA6613 London Heathrow - Baku 1234567
BA6614 Baku - London Heathrow 1234567
BA6633 London Heathrow - Tehran 1234567
BA6634 Tehran - London Heathrow 1234567
BA6641 London Heathrow - Yekaterinburg 1__4_6_
BA6641 Yekaterinburg - Almaty _2__5_7
BA6642 Almaty - Yekaterinburg _2__5_7
BA6642 Yekaterinburg - London Heathrow ƒô _2__5_7
BA6659 London Heathrow - Ankara Esenboga ____5__
BA6659 Ankara Esenboga - Aleppo _____6_
BA6660 Aleppo - Ankara Esenboga _____6_
BA6660 Ankara Esenboga - London Heathrow _____6_



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User currently offlineHumberside From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2005, 4918 posts, RR: 4
Reply 15, posted (8 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 6482 times:

I take if BMed do fly to Urumqi, it will be Urumqi's first service to Europe?


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User currently offlineWhiteHatter From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (8 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 5759 times:

Quoting LTU932 (Reply 10):
BMED could wet lease them from BA, so BA would be fully responsible for flight crew and MX. But as I said, they could, I'm not saying they will.

won't happen.

The BMED issue is one of crewing, namely that using the A320 on medium to longhaul flights would be problematic within BA due to crewing contracts and other issues. The A320/BMED arrangement sidesteps a number of problems and still makes money for all concerned without causing friction or difficulty with other BA A320 fleet crews.


User currently offlinePzurita1 From Greenland, joined Sep 2002, 1392 posts, RR: 14
Reply 17, posted (8 years 6 months 4 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 5329 times:

take if BMed do fly to Urumqi, it will be Urumqi's first service to Europe?
Not only to Europe, but appart from very unreliable flights to Kirguistan and Tadjikistan (they exist and the next day they don't anymore), the very first scheduled international flight from Urumqi.

PZ



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User currently offlineN79969 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (8 years 6 months 4 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 5296 times:

Quoting Noelg (Reply 6):
A non-stop service would be good for the business traveller, who at present would have a good day of travelling to get there, and would be able to do it in a 4-6 hour flight

I cannot imagine that many business travelers are going to Urumqi. Rather I think they would be mostly tourists wanting to visit Silk Road ruins. Also, I think a non-stop flight would last longer than 6 hours.


User currently offlineJGPH1A From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (8 years 6 months 4 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 5183 times:

Ummm - why ? Urumqi is a bit off the beaten track, even compared to some of Bmed's more esoteric destinations. Is there oil/gas in the area, it's the only reason I could imagine there being any traffic, apart from scabby backpackers.

Quoting Pzurita1 (Reply 17):
take if BMed do fly to Urumqi, it will be Urumqi's first service to Europe?

I don't think so - I seem to recall CA had a service to Europe (poss. Bucharest) that stopped there (or maybe it went to Sharjah).


User currently offlineBBADXB From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (8 years 6 months 4 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 5090 times:

I am pretty sure that some Chinese Airline, possibly CZ, was flying, until recently (maybe they still do) to DXB (Dubai) from Urumqi.

User currently offlineNeder99 From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2000, 184 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (8 years 6 months 4 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 5037 times:

Quoting Pzurita1 (Reply 17):

According to Amadeus, scheduled services run from Urumqi to the following international destinations (could be more):

Bishkek (China Southern and Kyrgyzstan Airlines)
Almaty (China Southern)
Baku (AZAL- Azerbaijan Airlines)
Islamabad (China Southern)
Novosibirsk (S7-Sibir/Siberia Airlines)

If I remember correctly there's something like a Free Economic Zone in Urumqi, along with precious metal mining industries in the area (which would fit within BMED's type of destination, ie Bishkek).


User currently offlineJoFMO From Germany, joined Jul 2004, 2211 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (8 years 6 months 4 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 4917 times:

Urumqi has some of the highest growth rates of all cities in China. The figueres are compareable with the ones in Shanghai or Shenzhen. Surelz thez are starting from a lower lewer, but nontheless, Urumqi is a boom region in China.
Most of its trade is with central Asia, the majority of people in the Urumqi province is not Chinese but of central Asien muslim heritage. Therefore strong ties are existing to neighbor countries.

But it's good to see the BMED is the first one to start Urumqi from Europe, I expect others to follow sooner than later. It seems provincial China starts to come into the focus of European carriers (KLM to Chengdu for example).

Urumqi could be a good destination for OS with it's focus east.


User currently offlineLTU932 From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 13864 posts, RR: 50
Reply 23, posted (8 years 6 months 4 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 4876 times:

Quoting WhiteHatter (Reply 16):
won't happen.

The BMED issue is one of crewing, namely that using the A320 on medium to longhaul flights would be problematic within BA due to crewing contracts and other issues. The A320/BMED arrangement sidesteps a number of problems and still makes money for all concerned without causing friction or difficulty with other BA A320 fleet crews.

This is precisely why I said it could be a possibility, not that they will eventually do this.  Wink

Still, thanks for the insight. Let's see how this route performs, maybe something else will happen that will make them get other aircraft for longer routes.


User currently offlineFlyCaledonian From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2003, 2083 posts, RR: 3
Reply 24, posted (8 years 6 months 3 weeks 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 4679 times:

Although Ankara flights are shown on ba.com (Still only as stops to Khartoum, Aleppo and Damascus) but not yet for sale, there is nothing about Urumqi. As this was only a rumour maybe BMED are looking at this route as part of future expansion (They are taking several additional A321s in the next few years).

BMED and BA seem to have a good relationship to me. They get the benefit of the BA brand, Executive Club, LHR network (Feed to US included) while BA is able to offer service to destinations it wouldn't be able to with its own cost base. It's like the relationship with GT - many say GT could go it alone, and maybe it could, but the in the case of BA+GT and BA+KJ the whole is greater than the parts.



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25 Gte439u : I've spent a good deal of time in URC, and it is actually a business travel destination more than a tourist destination. Xinjiang, the region of whic
26 CalAir : If BMed can make a profit on such a route with the A319 in principle, why dont other carriers fly UK to say EWR,JFK with the A319 from airports such a
27 BAxMAN : Apples and oranges. BMED fly on routes which the bare minimum of competition. Even on routes which have a good quality of opposition - such as ET to
28 N79969 : I guess that would explain all those downtown high rises in Urumqi. But I still have have a hard time seeing a flight BA's holiday airline attracting
29 Elagabal : IIRC, it wasn't a Chinese carrier, but rather TAROM that flew from OTP to BJS. (Time was, they provided an el cheapo service between China and Europe
30 FlyCaledonian : Firstly, it is not BA but KJ (Operating in BA colours) that is sering ESB. Secondly, if you read the posts you'll see KJ isn't serving China yet. Som
31 Post contains links and images Concorde001 : BMED is not a holiday airline - BA's other franchise carrier GB Airways is! BMED is primarily concerned with business passengers, especially those wi
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