BmiBaby737 From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2005, 1636 posts, RR: 10 Posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 2067 times:
European Aircharter is due to take delivery of the first 2 out of 5 MD82 aircraft later this month. The Aircraft are due to be delivered to Bournemouth Airport.
Jmc757 From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2000, 1296 posts, RR: 8 Reply 1, posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 2050 times:
Good to see some fleet renewal for European. The downside is it means the end of the 732 on the UK register? Had a great ride with EAF in 732 summer 04, but the aircraft are tired and showing their age - although the MD82s aren't exactly young.
I assume the Palmair fleet will move to MD82s? What is the market value of a 20 year old MD82? I assume they're getting these pretty cheap? It wasn't all that long ago that EAF had no money at all, and I doubt Mr Stoddard is cashing in from Ozjet?
BmiBaby737 From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2005, 1636 posts, RR: 10 Reply 2, posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 1848 times:
Quoting Jmc757 (Reply 1): I assume the Palmair fleet will move to MD82s?
Not sure whats Happening with Palmair, weather they will switch to someone like Austraeus or continue with European and operate the 737-200. There using Austraues for the Bournemouth-Luxor route at the moment, though still using G-CEAF On other Palmair Routes. She's recently lost her PALMAIR titles.
Quoting Jmc757 (Reply 1): I doubt Mr Stoddard is cashing in from Ozjet?
Probably loosing money from it! Apperently single digit passengers on most of the Flights.
Quoting Jmc757 (Reply 1): I assume they're getting these pretty cheap?
I think it's cheap spares, easily availble Aircraft Frames and more capacity.
Egmcman From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2005, 898 posts, RR: 9 Reply 3, posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 1826 times:
Quoting Jmc757 (Reply 1): I assume they're getting these pretty cheap?
MD-80's are worth less 737-300's hence why some are being scrapped and in storage. Values depend number of hours / cycles, condition and popluarity of type. Fuel economy and noise regulations might the reason behind this.
BmiBaby737 From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2005, 1636 posts, RR: 10 Reply 4, posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 1770 times:
Quoting Egmcman (Reply 3): MD-80's are worth less 737-300's hence
Not sure quite what you mean there, but on the subject of the 737-300, they were apperently to Expensive for European...
CRJ900 From Norway, joined Jun 2004, 2080 posts, RR: 1 Reply 6, posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 1545 times:
Quoting BmiBaby737 (Reply 4): Not sure quite what you mean there, but on the subject of the 737-300, they were apperently to Expensive for European...
B733s have become "hot" in recent years, that is why Norwegian decided to purchase a B733 instead of leasing it - their first 14 B733s are leased, but now they are finding it more economical to buy than lease...
MD80s are still fairly economical, though, aren't they?
Capital146 From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2003, 2125 posts, RR: 49 Reply 9, posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 1518 times:
Would be nice see a few more MD-80's heading this way, UK registered examples have always been thin on the ground (Paramount, BIA and Airtours being the only ones over the years I can think of).
Orion737 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 11, posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 1376 times:
I would like to see Palmair operating an MD82 from European. Would be a slight increase in capacity too compared to the 732 and so as well as being more 'modern' they would also allow for some expansion of capacity of their services.
Jmc757 From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2000, 1296 posts, RR: 8 Reply 12, posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 1307 times:
The website quoted in Jimmi's original post, although not anything official is also usually very reliable. So I guess these MD's are coming, but what happens when they get here is anyones guess. European aren't always the most predictable airline though, just because they are acquiring them doesn't mean they will operate?!
Apparently G-CEAF arrived at MAN this weekend and parked on remote without titles? What is operating the Palmair flights now? While were on the subject Jimmi, or anyone else, what 737s are left in the UK now and what are they doing? I know theres one at BHX...
CalAir From United Kingdom, joined Apr 2005, 298 posts, RR: 1 Reply 13, posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 1208 times:
Will this increase in capacity also mean an increase in the range of the destinations that can be offered by EAF from Bournmouth? Like SSH and HRG direct without having to sub out to people like AEU?
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Diesel1 From UK - Wales, joined Mar 2001, 1624 posts, RR: 12 Reply 14, posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 1155 times:
Presuming that this does happen, as these would be the first MD-82s to be operated by a British airline (BIA/Paramount/Airtours all operated MD-83s), are there any issues prior to type certification by the CAA that need to be addressed by any potential operator?
Jmc757 From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2000, 1296 posts, RR: 8 Reply 16, posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 1014 times:
Quoting Macdaddy (Reply 15): They are going to be sold straight on. EAC will not operate these frames.
Cheers, that answers the question then. The un-answered question that remains is what are EAF going to do for fleet renewal. The 732s although in good condition, must be reaching the point where either there isnt much life left in them, or they are going to become just too costly to keep going. Also, with the few that have headed down under, how many to EAF have left?
BmiBaby737 From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2005, 1636 posts, RR: 10 Reply 17, posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 4 days ago) and read 957 times:
Quoting Jmc757 (Reply 12): Apparently G-CEAF arrived at MAN this weekend and parked on remote without titles? What is operating the Palmair flights now? While were on the subject Jimmi, or anyone else, what 737s are left in the UK now and what are they doing? I know theres one at BHX...
G-CEAC - No Information
G-CEAE - No Information
G-CEAF - No titles, Operating PALMAIR flights from Bournemouth.
G-CEAG - No Information
G-CEAH - No Information
G-FIGP - Frequently used
Also At Bournemouth are Boeing 737-200's N58AD & N640AD ex-Ryanair Aircraft both parked out-side European Aviation Hangars along with Sabena (EAL) OO-SDK /G-BYYK.
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