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Mesaba Files 1113c Motion To Void Labor Contracts  
User currently offlineTOLtommy From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 3288 posts, RR: 4
Posted (8 years 5 months 4 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 2825 times:

Mesaba filed 1113c motions today to void labor agreements with their pilots, flight attendants and mechanics. Motion will be heard in court on 2/24, court will have 30 days to make ruling. Here's a link to the filing:

http://www.mesaba-restructuring.com/...0-B5E9-4E33-BCFB-6CC316537C2B}.PDF

Mesaba did reach agreement with TWU, therefore is not a part of this motion. The filing also states that Mesaba will return the 2 CRJ's currently in the fleet if they are not selected for the current RFP for CRJ flying.

Interesting reading... Good luck to all at Mesaba....

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User currently offlineFriendlySkies From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 4105 posts, RR: 5
Reply 1, posted (8 years 5 months 4 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 2806 times:

Does Mesaba only have those 2 CRJs left? I don't understand how they could possibly be in business if they only have two aircraft...?

I really feel for the Mesaba employees and the company as a whole...threw all their eggs in one basket, and the basket shafted them...


User currently offlineTOLtommy From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 3288 posts, RR: 4
Reply 2, posted (8 years 5 months 4 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 2797 times:

I believe there are still 24 RJ85's flying, all to be removed from fleet by end of 2006. The 2 CRJ's were the only two delivered before NW filed CH11. Without winning the RFP for Pinnacle's CRJ flying, they'll be down to 49 SF340's. That's a whole lot of jobs on the line.

User currently offlineNLINK From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 313 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (8 years 5 months 4 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 2746 times:

XJ brought a lot of this on there self with the arrogance from the company and a horrid operation. There is also a rumor going around that the Saabs will be next to be put up for bid.

User currently offlineLUVRSW From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 498 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (8 years 5 months 4 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 2731 times:

Mesaba and NW has had a bad relationship the past few years. This is what happens when you bite the hand that feeds you. Oh, but wait, Spanjers and the other management cronies will get to share a 2 million dollar bonus this year....nice.

User currently offlineLUVRSW From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 498 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (8 years 5 months 4 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 2729 times:

From another article:

http://www.twincities.com/mld/twincities/business/13788425.htm

Meanwhile, half of Mesaba's 850 pilots will be laid off in the near future, he said.
Mesaba's current business plan, Wychor added, envisions it flying just 49 34-seat Saab aircraft.
"If the judge allows the company to reject our contract and impose an agreement that looks like the one we're talking about today, we will strike," Wychor vowed.
Under the company proposal, newly hired pilots wouldn't make much more than $10,000 a year after paying for medical insurance


User currently offlineTOLtommy From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 3288 posts, RR: 4
Reply 6, posted (8 years 5 months 4 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 2663 times:

I love that Wychor (ALPA head for Mesaba) says that half of current pilots will be furloughed, and complains that new hires will not take home much after paying for insurance. If half the pilots are furloughed, they won't be hiring!

Nlink, you sure you are not confusing Mesaba with Pinnacle? When I read about operational issues and NW Airlink, it's almost always pointing at Pinnacle.


User currently offlineJetdeltamsy From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 2987 posts, RR: 8
Reply 7, posted (8 years 5 months 4 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 2624 times:

They have to get their costs way down so that NWA doesn't defect.

It will be interesting to see what happens to pilot pay at Comair. Delta can't afford Comair anymore as Comair pilots enjoy some of the highest payrates in the business.



Tired of airline bankruptcies....EA/PA/TW and finally DL.
User currently offlineDLKAPA From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (8 years 5 months 4 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 2619 times:

Quoting LUVRSW (Reply 5):
Under the company proposal, newly hired pilots wouldn't make much more than $10,000 a year after paying for medical insurance

Congratulations Great Lakes, you just found your Mississippi.


User currently offlineTOLtommy From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 3288 posts, RR: 4
Reply 9, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 2544 times:

Quoting Jetdeltamsy (Reply 7):
It will be interesting to see what happens to pilot pay at Comair. Delta can't afford Comair anymore as Comair pilots enjoy some of the highest payrates in the business.

Not just Comair, but any regional airline will feel the effects of this if Mesaba is successful. Next time any contract comes up, the "Mesaba solution" would be the standard used.


User currently offlineCBPhoto From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 1551 posts, RR: 5
Reply 10, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 2519 times:

Quoting LUVRSW (Reply 5):
Under the company proposal, newly hired pilots wouldn't make much more than $10,000 a year after paying for medical insurance

Unbelievable, That is ridiculous. I can make more working part time at McDonald's. What is XJ and NWA become, just one big mess. Very sad indeed!!



ETOPS: Engines Turning or Passengers Swimming
User currently offlineTOLtommy From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 3288 posts, RR: 4
Reply 11, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 2468 times:

Sadly, I really think Mesaba is using NWA as the example of how to negotiate. Sad!

Here's the latest... Mesaba plans to cut 1600 jobs as par of the bankruptcy process:

http://yahoo.reuters.com/stocks/Quot...06_18-56-16_N0610797&symbol=MAIR.O


User currently offlineLUVRSW From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 498 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 2466 times:

Wow Tommy, thanks for the post. Things are really getting ugly at XJ...end of days are near.

User currently offlineDLKAPA From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 2453 times:

10K a year is ridiculous. I made more than that as a night crew shelf stocker at a grocery store. You can't even live on that, hell you can barely eat on that.

User currently offlineSupa7e7 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 2448 times:

Remind me to tell all the people in America not to apply for these shameful jobs. The labor market ought to be ashamed of itself!

User currently offlineCa2ohHP From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 954 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 days ago) and read 2422 times:

Quoting DLKAPA (Reply 8):
Congratulations Great Lakes, you just found your Mississippi.

Funniest thing I heard all day!  laughing 


User currently offlineVEEREF From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 2370 times:

Well, all you folks on this forum who are always bitching about pilots being paid too much and would kill just to have a flying job at all, here's your chance to put your money where your mouths are!

User currently offlineTOLtommy From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 3288 posts, RR: 4
Reply 17, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 2300 times:

Quoting LUVRSW (Reply 12):
Wow Tommy, thanks for the post. Things are really getting ugly at XJ...end of days are near.

You may be right. The biggest problem I see for Mesaba is that the rank and file pilots and FA's have nothing to lose by shutting the airline down. Roughly half the pilots, and well over half the FA's will lose their jobs if the company winds up as a 49 saab fleet. But the RJ85 doesn't completely leave the fleet until later this year. So those folks will be around to vote no, or to reject any agreement imposed. And NW has yet to affirm that Mesaba will be the chosen flyer of the Saabs. I suspect that after NW chooses an airline to fly the CRJ, that the Saab flying will be put out to bid. You know Colgan is waiting to bid....


User currently offlineVEEREF From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 2297 times:

Too bad to see a once great airline go down the crapper. When I flew for them (but not for 10k a year!) back in the late 90's it was THE place to work. Too bad.

User currently offlineTOLtommy From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 3288 posts, RR: 4
Reply 19, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 2293 times:

Back in the good old Bryan Bedford days huh? Before he got pushed out and all the NW retread management came in.... What he did at Republic could have been Mesaba....

User currently offlineVEEREF From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 2290 times:

Bryan Bedford and Wayne "keep 'em in the plane wayne" Heller! Got there about a year and a half before they jumped ship for CHQ.

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