PRAirbus From Puerto Rico, joined Apr 2005, 1057 posts, RR: 1 Reply 1, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 11678 times:
42 widebodies? It seems quite a too large number of WIDE-BODIES for an airline the size of AV. Perhaps it is 42 new planes total. I doubt AV can support 42 wide-bodies. Not even the largest carriers in Latin America have 42 wide-bodies on their fleet(s).
A388 From Netherlands Antilles, joined May 2001, 9409 posts, RR: 11 Reply 2, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 11662 times:
Wow, that's a pretty large order. My bet will be that Boeing wins this order with a mix of the 737NG and 787 but anything can happen. For all we know Airbus might have had a business trip to Avianca as well when they were performing A380 test flights in Colombia some time ago. If Airbus was there you might as well send in a few sales representatives to discuss possible deals to Colombian airlines, right?
But as I've said before, I still see Boeing winning this order if true.
Summa767 From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2004, 2455 posts, RR: 6 Reply 4, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 11613 times:
El Universal was quoting business newspaper la Republica.
I really think that the latter got the numbers mixed up in the first place, and it should be 16 widebodies and 42 single aisle aircraft. These numbers may include options too.
AV will have to replace 14 757/767 (I assume in this total that they will get another 767 later in this year), and something like 18 MD83s.
The airline will have to take into account growth, that in latin America is expected to be significant. It is not unlikely that the the orders will include aircraft for other airlines under the Synergy umbrella.
Pdpsol From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 1044 posts, RR: 6 Reply 6, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 11613 times:
Quoting PRAirbus (Reply 1): 42 widebodies? It seems quite a too large number of WIDE-BODIES for an airline the size of AV
Well, the article makes reference to aircraft with "cabina ancha" which, translated directly, means "wide cabin". However, I suspect these "widebodies" are simply larger, single-aisle aircraft, such as the 737-900ER or, perhaps, the A321. I suspect AV will also be ordering for OceanAir and, perhaps, Wayra Perú as well.
A/B could fight over the replacements for AV's MD83's and 757's by their offering 73G/738/739ER or A319/320/321 families. The 787-8 appears to be a great replacement for AV's 767's.
Juventus From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 2835 posts, RR: 2 Reply 7, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 11613 times:
A few months back, there was a rumor on this forum about AV ordering around 10 or 15 B787s, I forgat the exact amount. I think 42 'wide-bodies' would be too large a number for AV. It could be 42 airframes total.
On the same token, good news for Colombian aviation, and congratulations...
A388 From Netherlands Antilles, joined May 2001, 9409 posts, RR: 11 Reply 9, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 11560 times:
Quoting Summa767 (Reply 5): Indeed! The commercial director was certainly there buttering up both AV and the press
Hey Summa767 how are you doing? You are exactly right. If I were Airbus I would send a sales team with the A380 back than to discuss potential aircraft deals in Colombia. The A380 was going to Colombia anyways so why not make use of the opportunity?
AA1818 From Trinidad and Tobago, joined Feb 2006, 3379 posts, RR: 4 Reply 13, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 11174 times:
I think Boeing's got the edge on this one because of the versatility of the Dreamliner. It's great for the thin-ish long haul to destnations in Europe and it's available to explore new markets further afield. The shorthaul competition however (unless a winner take all situation) will be interesting. Airbus has managed to keep boeing at bay regarding 737 sales and they could sway AV towards the short-haul buses! I really don't see anything else but 787's in AV long-haul future though!
AA1818 From Trinidad and Tobago, joined Feb 2006, 3379 posts, RR: 4 Reply 19, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 10534 times:
I'm surprised they don't fly to LHR and more cities in Spain. In that case I think they should go with the 787 for sure. 787-8's at first that could be swapped over to open up new European cities and 787-9's or (if built -10's) to handle growth. The 777 might be too much capacity if flights currently use 767 variants. I see this as a strong potential 787 customer. Good luck AV!!!
it will start anytime. The Synergy group (owner of Avianca) purchased 29 f-100s ex AA for their airlines. 10 or those will go to Avianca and they are expected any day now.
Quoting Wedgetail737 (Reply 15): I think they could buy primarily 787's, with a handful of 777-200ER's.
Don't forget some 737s to replace the MD80's.
Quoting AA1818 (Reply 16): What does AV run to LHR, MAD, BCN CDG (any other cities they serve)
Unfortunately AV does not serve LHR and CDG for a few years now.
Along with MAD and BCN, it also serves ALC in Spain and the following routes: MEX, SCL, EZE, CCS, LIM, UIO, GRU, GIG, PTY, AUA, CUR, PUJ, GYE, MIA, FLL, NYC and JFK. It will start LAX this year again and there are rumors of other cities in Europe but they are just that, "rumors".
Domestically it has almost 55% of the traffic.(18 routes within Colombia)
[Edited 2006-02-05 01:48:59]
I miss ACES, I am proud of AVIANCA & I am loyal to AMERICAN
Wedgetail737 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 5760 posts, RR: 5 Reply 21, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 10459 times:
AA1818...you have a good point. They could buy just a family of 787's to meet all of their widebody needs. How could I forget the 787-10. I chose the 777-200ER because the 787-10 hasn't been offered yet. It's just matter of time.
Yes...I forgot about the 737NG family. I could see AV buying 737-800's (for their MD-80's) and -900ER's for their 757's.
777jaah From Colombia, joined Jan 2006, 1403 posts, RR: 2 Reply 24, posted (7 years 10 months 1 week 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 9365 times:
A few weeks ago I flew JFK-BOG with AV and had the chance to cross a few words with the captain, as we had a glass of water in the galley. I asked him directly about fleet changes and he said that they were expecting to be changing their 767s and MDs. He really hoped for some 744, but he said it was very difficult to see, mainly bc of the 787 family. I asked him if there was any chance of them becoming Airbus customers, and the answer was "No way". Why?? I guess loyalty to Boeing long haul products. That's he thought, and for the record, he is just a pilot, no management power at all. Do Management in AV take pilots feedback in these cases?? I sure don't know.
Anyway, 737s for the MDs and 787s for medium and long hauls. Those 787s will be fitting right in the money for AV's future european routes, which I'm sure they're eager to fly again (Mainly CDG which is only serviced by AF daily, and LHR).
For even more discussion, don't count down Airbus so early in the game. AV had some indirect experience with the A320 that inherit from Aces after the Alianza Summa deal, and if I'm not wrong, their maintenance team is certified to deal with those ac. So airbus might have a shot in this deal. Time will tell.