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American Eagle: New PIT-LGA Flights  
User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 33289 posts, RR: 71
Posted (8 years 10 months 3 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 4084 times:

American Eagle will begin Pittsburgh-LaGuardia service on 3 April 2006. It will be four daily ERJ-135 flights. Looks like they are going after US Airways customers once again. They have done very well with LaGuardia-Charlotte, but LaGuardia-Buffalo did poorly.


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User currently offlineDCA-ROCguy From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 4528 posts, RR: 34
Reply 1, posted (8 years 10 months 3 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 4057 times:

On April 4, US is showing 6 flights on PIT-LGA: 4 mainline and 2 regional (1 A320 2 A319 1 733 1 CRJ 1 ERJ) I'm kind of surprised AA is trying this route. I would think another network carrier would have a tough time peeling away higher-paying business passengers from US. US no doubt still has a big FF base in Pittsburgh; their FF miles (AFAIK, please correct me if it's changed) still don't expire. Even though the hub has been reduced to a focus city, US and its Express carriers still have far more nonstops to far more markets than any other carrier, legacy or otherwise, at PIT. Also, didn't AA recently reduce PIT to a completely regional a/c market?

If anything, a likelier candidate to enter and succeed in the PIT- NYC market route would be an LCC such as JetBlue jumping in with E190's on PIT-JFK and stimulating traffic with lower fares.

Jim

[Edited 2006-02-06 00:06:20]

[Edited 2006-02-06 00:07:15]


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User currently offlineAJMIA From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 737 posts, RR: 15
Reply 2, posted (8 years 10 months 3 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 3921 times:

What slots are being used for these new flights?

The LGA-HOU/MCI slots?

AJMIA



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User currently offlineCommavia From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 11979 posts, RR: 62
Reply 3, posted (8 years 10 months 3 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 3921 times:

Eagle is also launching a once daily BWI-JFK flight timed for the European connections from 3 April 06.

User currently offlineGoodmanr From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 297 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (8 years 10 months 3 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 3913 times:

Quoting DCA-ROCguy (Reply 1):
their FF miles (AFAIK, please correct me if it's changed) still don't expire

They do expire...the standard 3 years..



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User currently offlineAJMIA From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 737 posts, RR: 15
Reply 5, posted (8 years 10 months 3 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 3913 times:

AA miles do not expire as long as you have some activity every three years.

AJMIA



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User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 33289 posts, RR: 71
Reply 6, posted (8 years 10 months 3 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 3868 times:

Quoting Goodmanr (Reply 4):
They do expire...the standard 3 years..

Yes, but every time you fly AA, those miles then expire three years after that date. So as long as you fly AA once every three years, they don't expire.



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User currently offlineDCA-ROCguy From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 4528 posts, RR: 34
Reply 7, posted (8 years 10 months 3 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 3852 times:

I wasn't referring to AA's FF miles, I was referring to US Airways'. But thanks for the info on AA's program anyway!

Jim



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User currently offlineJBLUA320 From United States of America, joined May 2002, 3180 posts, RR: 19
Reply 8, posted (8 years 10 months 3 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 3760 times:
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It's good to see another airline entering this market as it is very expensive. Some random searches for seats revealed that American was offering the roundtrip at $217 which is a great price considering that its difficult to get these flights under $300!

I'll be frequenting this service if the price is right-- even if it costs me dearly beloved elite qualification segments on CO.

JBLU


User currently offlineMD90fan From Bahamas, joined Jul 2005, 2931 posts, RR: 7
Reply 9, posted (8 years 10 months 3 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 3735 times:

Seems like they want to take some US costumers. How long is the flight? Wouldnt costumers prefer to fly mainline equipment?

Quoting DCA-ROCguy (Reply 1):
Also, didn't AA recently reduce PIT to a completely regional a/c market?

Yes, with DFW being dropped from some MD-80's to CR7's meant the end of mainline.



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User currently offlineCommavia From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 11979 posts, RR: 62
Reply 10, posted (8 years 10 months 3 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 3712 times:

Quoting MD90fan (Reply 9):
Seems like they want to take some US costumers. How long is the flight? Wouldnt costumers prefer to fly mainline equipment?

The flight is only 90 minutes, so I don't think many people would mind an RJ. Given USAirways' market presence (or dwindling lack thereof) in PIT over the last few years, and given American's relatively strong market presence in New York, they should be able to win customers over with the mix of a huge FF program and competitive fares. Everyone thought that Eagle's LGA-CLT and LGA-ATL (which also includes mainline flights) would not last because of the market heavyweight's entrenched presence on the route, but both are still holding on.


User currently offlineTinPusher007 From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 983 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (8 years 10 months 3 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 3621 times:

What are all the markets that AE serves out of LGA?


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User currently offlineJFKLGANYC From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 3627 posts, RR: 6
Reply 12, posted (8 years 10 months 3 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 3606 times:

Not only are ATL and CLT holding on . . . they are doing absolutely fantastic!

ATL has more mainline flights now and CLT sees very high load factors on a regular basis! I have never flown the CLT route w/o 35+ pax.

Eagle out of LGA:

YYZ
BOS
BGR
DCA
RDU
CLT
ATL
XNA
DTW
CLE
CMH
GRR
MAD
PIT

Eagle out of JFK:

YYZ
YUL
YHZ
BOS
RDU
DCA
BWI
RDU
CLE

It's late...I may be missing a few. But they do have a sizeable presence at both airports and a base at LGA.

PJ


User currently offlineJFKLGANYC From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 3627 posts, RR: 6
Reply 13, posted (8 years 10 months 3 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 3606 times:

My last post... I put MAD. I meant Madison, Wis. Not Madrid.

Sorry

PJ


User currently offlineMD90fan From Bahamas, joined Jul 2005, 2931 posts, RR: 7
Reply 14, posted (8 years 10 months 3 weeks 3 days 3 hours ago) and read 3583 times:

From JFK they fly to ORD too


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User currently offlineTinPusher007 From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 983 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (8 years 10 months 3 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 3581 times:

Thanx JFKLGANYC...I was sort of doing a comparison between AE and DL Conx out of LGA. Eagle seems to fly primarily north and west of NYC while DL Conx flies mostly to the south, where they are dominant...makes sense.


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User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 33289 posts, RR: 71
Reply 16, posted (8 years 10 months 3 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 3564 times:

Quoting JFKLGANYC (Reply 12):
ATL has more mainline flights now and CLT sees very high load factors on a regular basis! I have never flown the CLT route w/o 35+ pax.

They have indeed both done well, but ATL has always been the same mix - 3x mainline/2x Eagle.



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User currently offlineJBLUA320 From United States of America, joined May 2002, 3180 posts, RR: 19
Reply 17, posted (8 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 3486 times:
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Commavia,

Just for the record, the flight itself (air time) usually is under an hour. Last time I flew it (PIT-EWR) on a COEX E135, the flight was 41 minutes.

JBLU


User currently offlineTornado82 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (8 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 3441 times:

Quoting JBLUA320 (Reply 17):

Just for the record, the flight itself (air time) usually is under an hour. Last time I flew it (PIT-EWR) on a COEX E135, the flight was 41 minutes.

Yeah, well under 1 hour airtime from NYC/PHL to PIT, typically cruising in the low 20's. Even with strong headwinds. The long block times are because of the famous taxi lines at places like LGA, EWR, and PHL. Alot of times it actually takes (a few minutes) longer to fly PIT-NYC/PHL, despite the tailwind, because of the convoluted STAR/approaches at those "squeeze 'em in" airports, as opposed to uncongested 3-paralleled PIT.


User currently offlineCentPIT From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 990 posts, RR: 3
Reply 19, posted (8 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 3247 times:

Quoting DCA-ROCguy (Reply 1):
If anything, a likelier candidate to enter and succeed in the PIT- NYC market route would be an LCC such as JetBlue jumping in with E190's on PIT-JFK and stimulating traffic with lower fares.

jetBlue will be competing with Delta Connection with three CRJ-200 flights daily. I do think these flights are expensive, but they do well.

Quoting Commavia (Reply 10):
Everyone thought that Eagle's LGA-CLT and LGA-ATL (which also includes mainline flights) would not last because of the market heavyweight's entrenched presence on the route, but both are still holding on.

How many flights daily is CLT-LGA and it is all American Eagle correct?



I am happy PIT will be seeing more service from AE. They will be up to 14 flights daily.


PIT-DFW-5 daily CR7
PIT-ORD-4 daily 1 ERD, 3 ER4
PIT-LGA-4 daily ER3
PIT-MIA-1 daily ERD



Pittsburgh International: US Airways---160 daily departures! (52 destinations)
User currently offlineTornado82 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (8 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 3225 times:

Quoting CentPIT (Reply 19):

jetBlue will be competing with Delta Connection with three CRJ-200 flights daily. I do think these flights are expensive, but they do well.

CRJ-100's typically, but who's counting? Lol. Set up to feed int'l.

Quoting Commavia (Reply 10):
Everyone thought that Eagle's LGA-CLT and LGA-ATL (which also includes mainline flights) would not last because of the market heavyweight's entrenched presence on the route, but both are still holding on.

Unless the fares are ridiculous, which they probably are considering it's CLT and LGA, I don't see how an ERJ can be profitable against US' mainline metal. The dollars and cents just don't make sense. US could run Eagle off of that route very easily if they wanted to... but why get into a fare war when everyone is getting fat and happy off of it. Comair is on that route a few times daily as well.


User currently offlineCommavia From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 11979 posts, RR: 62
Reply 21, posted (8 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 3221 times:

Quoting CentPIT (Reply 19):
How many flights daily is CLT-LGA and it is all American Eagle correct?

Eagle operates 5 daily CLT-LGA flights with Embraer RJs.

Quoting Tornado82 (Reply 20):
Unless the fares are ridiculous, which they probably are considering it's CLT and LGA, I don't see how an ERJ can be profitable against US' mainline metal.

Well, first of all, Eagle has a lower cost base than USAirways, partly because they're RJs, mostly because of the low wages of Eagle employees, so that helps. Secondly, Eagle has far fewer seats to fill on this route than USAirways does with mainline jets, thus helping their ability to maintain yields. Thirdly, because the route is only blocked for 90 minutes (and, as others said, is usually only actually about 1 hr in actual flying time) there should not be too much issue with people shying away from the uncomfortable RJs. Finally, while American is not particularly strong in the PIT area, it is immensely strong in the New York metro area, and is the second largest carrier in the Tri-State area with an absolutely humungous FF base. That should also help -- just as it has with the ATL and CLT routes.


User currently offlineCentPIT From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 990 posts, RR: 3
Reply 22, posted (8 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 3203 times:

Quoting Commavia (Reply 21):
Finally, while American is not particularly strong in the PIT area, it is immensely strong in the New York metro area, and is the second largest carrier in the Tri-State area with an absolutely humungous FF base. That should also help -- just as it has with the ATL and CLT routes.

I was disappointed when AA left PIT more for the employees than anything. I do hope that they do well with the new service in PIT and am happy they are doing well in CLT. Maybe we will be up to five daily if all goes well.

Thanks Commavia for the info.  Smile



Pittsburgh International: US Airways---160 daily departures! (52 destinations)
User currently offlineTornado82 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (8 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 3182 times:

Quoting Commavia (Reply 21):
inally, while American is not particularly strong in the PIT area, it is immensely strong in the New York metro area, and is the second largest carrier in the Tri-State area with an absolutely humungous FF base. That should also help -- just as it has with the ATL and CLT routes.

I was talking about CLT-LGA in that quote you quoted me on...

BUT....

Regardless of crew costs for Eagle VS US Mainline... the CASM of an A319-321 is so much lower than the ERJ (regardless of who operates it... it's the nature of the beast), that as long as US is maintaining any reasonable load factor, they can make far more profits for any given fares... because most likely the fares are the same sky-high rate across the board on a route like CLT-LGA.


User currently offlineFlyPNS1 From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 6733 posts, RR: 24
Reply 24, posted (8 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 3172 times:

Quoting Tornado82 (Reply 20):
Set up to feed int'l.

Actually, only one of DL's 3x CRJ flights from PIT to JFK is timed for international flights. The other two flights are relying mostly on O+D.

DL also seems to be doing well on the CLT-LGA flights. Looking at the April schedule, two of the three flights will be CRJ700's. Orginally, all three flights were 50 seaters.


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