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User currently offlineGhost77 From Mexico, joined Mar 2000, 5237 posts, RR: 51
Posted (8 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 2716 times:

So what's up with Lan Argentina?

When are they finally launching it's EZE-MIA route?

According to this thread Latam Carriers Fleets - Jan 2006! (by Ghost77 Jan 19 2006 in Civil Aviation) ; 4M's fleet is composed by:

5 B732s at the moment, is that right?

Transfer of the first 2 A320s is due for March, right?

Today I was told a LAN B767s, I'm sure is the last arrival to the fleet, which is ex. VN-A763 is pending an LV-reg, more over... some more news that I heard today... 4M will get this year 1 A340-300!!!

ghost77 APM


Ricardo Morales - flyAPM - ¡No es que maneje rapido, solo estoy volando lento!
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User currently offlineAnxebla From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (8 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 2684 times:

There is one thing which I can not understand about LAN group.

Why not LAN affiliates LAN ARGENTINA and LAN ECUADOR are not members of OW? Is it a refusal from oneworld or LAN doesn't wish it?


User currently offlineMD11junkie From Argentina, joined May 2005, 3149 posts, RR: 57
Reply 2, posted (8 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 2672 times:

Quoting Ghost77 (Thread starter):
When are they finally launching it's EZE-MIA route?

They are relaunching their EZE-MIA route as soon as they can get 2 LV (Argentine registered) 767-300ERs, to comply with Argentine regulations - for once.

Quoting Ghost77 (Thread starter):
According to this thread Latam Carriers Fleets - Jan 2006! (by Ghost77 Jan 19 2006 in Civil Aviation) ; 4M's fleet is composed by:

5 B732s at the moment, is that right?

Yes, and they are very quaky. I've been hearing they are having quite an amount of problems with them.

Quoting Ghost77 (Thread starter):
Transfer of the first 2 A320s is due for March, right?

First it was December, then January and now mid Febraury, so yes, we can expect March soon. They don't know. They are stopping A320 and 767 pilot training courses per wish. They don't know when, so nobody knows.

Quoting Ghost77 (Thread starter):
Today I was told a LAN B767s, I'm sure is the last arrival to the fleet, which is ex. VN-A763 is pending an LV-reg,

I was told the opposite, that this one would be flying for LP, as a chilean registered airplane.

Quoting Ghost77 (Thread starter):
ome more news that I heard today... 4M will get this year 1 A340-300!!!

I really doubt it Ricardo. They still haven't fullfilled 25% of their promises. Their 12 aircrafts by year-end ended up in... well... 5. EZE-MIA, trying to break the rules, with Chilean airplanes, ended up in... well... EZE-SCL-MIA. And LA is really lacking planes, I think LAN should take care of home first.

Quoting Anxebla (Reply 1):
Why not LAN affiliates LAN ARGENTINA and LAN ECUADOR are not members of OW? Is it a refusal from oneworld or LAN doesn't wish it?

Andrés,

Because they haven't joined IATA yet. Well, 4M has. And now they need to go through the screening process.
Also, remember that LAN Chile and LAN Perú are members of oneworld, not LAN Airlines.

Cheers! wave 
Gastón - The MD11 Junkie



There is no such thing as Boeing vs Airbus as the queen of the skies has three engines, winglets and the sweetest nose!
User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 33289 posts, RR: 71
Reply 3, posted (8 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 2672 times:

Quoting Anxebla (Reply 1):
Why not LAN affiliates LAN ARGENTINA and LAN ECUADOR are not members of OW? Is it a refusal from oneworld or LAN doesn't wish it?

They are entirely seperate airlines, unlike LAN PERU, so they have to apply to join. They have chosen not too, although LAN ARGENTINA has joined AAdvantage.



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User currently offlineAnxebla From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (8 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 2655 times:

Quoting MD11junkie (Reply 2):
Well, 4M has. And now they need to go through the screening process.

Do you know if 4M is interested in join to OW?
By the way ...What happen with AR & Star? Do you Know something about that subject?

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 3):
although LAN ARGENTINA has joined AAdvantage.

This may be unclear for the average pax, I'm afraid.


User currently offlineMD11junkie From Argentina, joined May 2005, 3149 posts, RR: 57
Reply 5, posted (8 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 2648 times:

Quoting Anxebla (Reply 4):
Do you know if 4M is interested in join to OW?

All of the internal audits, regarding operations have begun. This is because 4M has stated formal interest in joining oneworld.

Quoting Anxebla (Reply 4):
By the way ...What happen with AR & Star? Do you Know something about that subject?

AR's CEO, Antonio Mata, has a few "differences" with IATA's BoG. This is due to some fees charged by the IATA. Mata does not agree with this. Therefore, AR/AU are not paying it's membership fee. They are temporarily out of IATA, as well as the chance of forming part of any of the alliance. But there are certain rumors around, that link AR very close to Skyteam.

Quoting Anxebla (Reply 4):
This may be unclear for the average pax, I'm afraid.

Not quite. AAdvantage members travelling on 4M will be able to collect miles.

Cheers! wave 
Gastón - The MD11 Junkie



There is no such thing as Boeing vs Airbus as the queen of the skies has three engines, winglets and the sweetest nose!
User currently offlineAnxebla From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (8 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 2636 times:

Quoting MD11junkie (Reply 5):
But there are certain rumors around, that link AR very close to Skyteam.

I would like see AR in SkyT but it would strange as Marsans Group has ties with Spanair. Pascual is the current CEO of JK and he has Marsans as well.


User currently offlineMD11junkie From Argentina, joined May 2005, 3149 posts, RR: 57
Reply 7, posted (8 years 10 months 3 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 2634 times:

Quoting Anxebla (Reply 6):
I would like see AR in SkyT but it would strange as Marsans Group has ties with Spanair. Pascual is the current CEO of JK and he has Marsans as well.

And that would affect AR.... how? Remember, JK and Grupo ARSA, are different companies, as 3I, A7, and Aerolíneas del Perú. They have NOTHING to do with each other. I believe JK and AR don't even codeshare!

Cheers! wave 
Gastón - The MD11 Junkie



There is no such thing as Boeing vs Airbus as the queen of the skies has three engines, winglets and the sweetest nose!
User currently offlineGhost77 From Mexico, joined Mar 2000, 5237 posts, RR: 51
Reply 8, posted (8 years 10 months 3 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 2391 times:

Quoting MD11junkie (Reply 2):
They are relaunching their EZE-MIA route as soon as they can get 2 LV (Argentine registered) 767-300ERs, to comply with Argentine regulations - for once.

So, I was told one B763ER was about to enter 4M's fleet soon... if it isn't VN-A763 which is due for LP, which one then is or will soon be?

Quoting MD11junkie (Reply 2):
Yes, and they are very quaky. I've been hearing they are having quite an amount of problems with them.

Hmm... what kind of problems?

Quoting MD11junkie (Reply 2):
I really doubt it Ricardo. They still haven't fullfilled 25% of their promises. Their 12 aircrafts by year-end ended up in... well... 5.

Hmm... well, maybe A340 plans are still to far then...

ghost77 APM



Ricardo Morales - flyAPM - ¡No es que maneje rapido, solo estoy volando lento!
User currently offlineMD11junkie From Argentina, joined May 2005, 3149 posts, RR: 57
Reply 9, posted (8 years 10 months 3 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 2358 times:

Quoting Ghost77 (Reply 8):
So, I was told one B763ER was about to enter 4M's fleet soon... if it isn't VN-A763 which is due for LP, which one then is or will soon be?

I guess that one will stay for a few months as a Chilean registered plane, and will be cycled to an LV- registration, as well as some more, as the new 767-300/ER arrive.

Quoting Ghost77 (Reply 8):
Hmm... what kind of problems?

The other day, I heard LV-BCD had an electric problem inflight, but it was "solved" inflight, too. LV-BBM continues to have problems with the oxygen bottles they load into it.

Quoting Ghost77 (Reply 8):
Hmm... well, maybe A340 plans are still to far then...

There is a lot of stuff to do before the A340s, I'm sorry to say, like fulfilling colective bargaining agreements (labor), employing the people they promised to employ and bringing the A318/9/320s they said they would bring.

Cheers! wave 
Gastón - The MD11 Junkie



There is no such thing as Boeing vs Airbus as the queen of the skies has three engines, winglets and the sweetest nose!
User currently offlineJJJM From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 225 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (8 years 10 months 3 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 2352 times:

Can anyone give me aerolineas del sur web page? Just can´t find it.


Regards

JJJM


User currently offlineEZEIZA From Argentina, joined Aug 2004, 4968 posts, RR: 25
Reply 11, posted (8 years 10 months 3 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 2297 times:

Quoting MD11junkie (Reply 2):
They are relaunching their EZE-MIA route as soon as they can get 2 LV (Argentine registered) 767-300ERs, to comply with Argentine regulations - for once.

Hola Gaston! Como estuvo la reunion? lastima me la perdi  Sad

Last I heard the EZE-MIA route was supposed to start in May? Or will this also be a false start?

Quoting MD11junkie (Reply 2):
First it was December, then January and now mid Febraury, so yes, we can expect March soon. They don't know. They are stopping A320 and 767 pilot training courses per wish. They don't know when, so nobody knows.

Yup, I remember that originally by Dec. the first ones were to arrive, but as you say, no news, so I guess we'll have to see the 732's for the time being.

Btw, do you remember that when 4M first began operating, they published job offers that included personell with experience with 767's and .. 747's (!). Any chance of LAN getting a 747 for the future EZE-MAD?

saludos  Smile



Carp aunque ganes o pierdas ...
User currently offlineArcano From Chile, joined Mar 2004, 2411 posts, RR: 23
Reply 12, posted (8 years 10 months 3 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 2185 times:

Quoting Ghost77 (Thread starter):
some more news that I heard today... 4M will get this year 1 A340-300!!!

There are actually 2 340 ordered and not delivered, so why not thinking of a 343 for 4M EZE-MAD

Quoting MD11junkie (Reply 2):
They are relaunching their EZE-MIA route as soon as they can get 2 LV (Argentine registered) 767-300ERs, to comply with Argentine regulations - for once.

 champagne 

Quoting MD11junkie (Reply 2):
First it was December, then January and now mid Febraury, so yes, we can expect March soon



Quoting MD11junkie (Reply 2):
really doubt it Ricardo. They still haven't fullfilled 25% of their promises



Quoting EZEIZA (Reply 11):
Last I heard the EZE-MIA route was supposed to start in May? Or will this also be a false start?

Come on guys, don't be so harsh. Remember that the time and destination acomplishment of Marsans for AR are away from 100%. THe new aircrafts arrived with a lot of delay compared to the announcement. Nothing about ATH. So did the 735s.
AR made a major in a time of false annoucements

Quoting MD11junkie (Reply 2):
I think LAN should take care of home first.

If that was true, "Chile" would be still read on the fuselage  Sad

Quoting JJJM (Reply 10):
Can anyone give me aerolineas del sur web page? Just can´t find it.

Because they don't have one!

Regards )(

PS: yesterday, I flew H2 (Sky) for the first time -SCL-CCP- and it was way better than LAN in the same leg! Good for H2!!!



in order: 721,146,732,763,722,343,733,320,772,319,752,321,88,83,744,332,100,738, 333, 318, 77W, 78, 773 and 380
User currently offlineEZEIZA From Argentina, joined Aug 2004, 4968 posts, RR: 25
Reply 13, posted (8 years 10 months 3 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 2177 times:

Quoting Arcano (Reply 12):
Come on guys, don't be so harsh. Remember that the time and destination acomplishment of Marsans for AR are away from 100%. THe new aircrafts arrived with a lot of delay compared to the announcement. Nothing about ATH. So did the 735s.

Hola Arcano!
I don't think I'm being harsh, nor was it my intention. But the truth is that the A320's have not arrived and that the EZE-MIA route, which was announced to begin on December 1st is still far away. Honestly, I can't wait to see some Airbus' at AEP  Wink

saludos  Smile



Carp aunque ganes o pierdas ...
User currently offlineArcano From Chile, joined Mar 2004, 2411 posts, RR: 23
Reply 14, posted (8 years 10 months 3 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 2161 times:

Quoting EZEIZA (Reply 13):
don't think I'm being harsh, nor was it my intention. But the truth is that the A320's have not arrived and that the EZE-MIA route, which was announced to begin on December 1st is still far away. Honestly, I can't wait to see some Airbus' at AEP

Hola EZE! I know you didn't mean harsh, but although is not consolation, you can expect some delays and failed plans for an starting company. This is why I posted Marsans example, both for Aerolineas Argentinas and Aerolineas del Sur.

And Agree, AEP would look great with 320s and 319s taking off. I hope they'll be brand new, not as some ex Nikki that now flies for LAN.

Regards )(



in order: 721,146,732,763,722,343,733,320,772,319,752,321,88,83,744,332,100,738, 333, 318, 77W, 78, 773 and 380
User currently offlineMD11junkie From Argentina, joined May 2005, 3149 posts, RR: 57
Reply 15, posted (8 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 2099 times:

Quoting Arcano (Reply 12):
Come on guys, don't be so harsh. Remember that the time and destination acomplishment of Marsans for AR are away from 100%

Really? Check where A7 flies, and who it codeshares with.

Quoting Arcano (Reply 12):
THe new aircrafts arrived with a lot of delay compared to the announcement.

They did because of the "state" of the plane. They needed a lot of work on them, not because of the airline.

Quoting Arcano (Reply 12):
So did the 735s.

The 737-500s are arriving in a timely manner, as scheduled, don't see why you say this.

Quoting Arcano (Reply 12):
AR made a major in a time of false annoucements

It's funny that you mention this, since most of the announcements you are talking about are in the "wishlist" only, not as possible destinations. In fact, 2 months after stating they were going to fly to PEK and PVG, they did start.

Quoting Arcano (Reply 12):
If that was true, "Chile" would be still read on the fuselage Sad

And we wouldn't have LAN Argentina, nor LAN Perú, nor LAN Ecuador nor failed LAN Dominicana if that was the case.

Quoting Arcano (Reply 14):
And Agree, AEP would look great with 320s and 319s taking off. I hope they'll be brand new, not as some ex Nikki that now flies for LAN

Don't worry about that, we'll get the second hand equipment, which is not at all bad. In fact, I'd love to see for a change something else then 737s in AEP. (MD80s are scarce  Sad )

Cheers! wave 
Gastón - The MD11 Junkie



There is no such thing as Boeing vs Airbus as the queen of the skies has three engines, winglets and the sweetest nose!
User currently offlineCedars747 From Norway, joined Dec 2005, 2721 posts, RR: 19
Reply 16, posted (8 years 10 months 3 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 2089 times:

Quoting Anxebla (Reply 6):
I would like see AR in SkyT

It would be logical
Varig:Star alliance
Lan Chile :One world
Aerolineas Argentinas:Skyteam
Alex!!!



Tengo una pasion por la aviacion !لدي شغف للطيران !I have a passion for aviation !
User currently offlineMarambio From UK - Scotland, joined Oct 2004, 1162 posts, RR: 25
Reply 17, posted (8 years 10 months 3 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 2054 times:

Oh Lan Argentina, even while in Africa I have to hear about you!  Wink

I am not really into the Argentine aviation news right now because of see-my-flag reasons. However, I too have heard those A320s should come before the end of this month. Likely? I don't think so. Lan Argentina has promised those wretched planes would be flying in and out Aeroparque first before November 2005, then before December 2005, afterwards before March 2006.

My computer tells me today it is 10 February 2006 and thus far not even the registration paperwork has started. Bureaucracy is a monster in Argentina. Not at Tanzania's levels (believe me), but still it is important. Also, February has 28 days and not 30/31 like the rest of the months. So there's almost no way the A320s will be ready by February 28th.

I guess we'll have 732s for some more months.

Saludos,
Marambio



Aerolíneas Argentinas - La Argentina que levanta vuelo
User currently offlineCedars747 From Norway, joined Dec 2005, 2721 posts, RR: 19
Reply 18, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 1993 times:

Maybe Air Buenos Aires could begin flights to MIA before Lan Argentina!!!Any body has info about that?
Alex!!!



Tengo una pasion por la aviacion !لدي شغف للطيران !I have a passion for aviation !
User currently offlineGhost77 From Mexico, joined Mar 2000, 5237 posts, RR: 51
Reply 19, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 1828 times:

Quoting Arcano (Reply 12):
There are actually 2 340 ordered and not delivered, so why not thinking of a 343 for 4M EZE-MAD

I think cash deposits for this 2 A340s have been transferred for the recent 25 A320s orders. I'm convinced LA will soon go B777/787!!!!

Quoting Cedars747 (Reply 18):
Maybe Air Buenos Aires could begin flights to MIA before Lan Argentina!!!Any body has info about that?

When is Air Buenos Aires launching? Is this the one with 2 B752s?

ghost77 APM



Ricardo Morales - flyAPM - ¡No es que maneje rapido, solo estoy volando lento!
User currently offlineMD11junkie From Argentina, joined May 2005, 3149 posts, RR: 57
Reply 20, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 1817 times:

Quoting Ghost77 (Reply 19):
I think cash deposits for this 2 A340s have been transferred for the recent 25 A320s orders.

Let's hope this is true, and the planes are here soon!

Quoting Ghost77 (Reply 19):
When is Air Buenos Aires launching?

Nothing more than a "wish". Air Madrid is only sniffing the Argentine market. No planes, no date.

Quoting Ghost77 (Reply 19):
Is this the one with 2 B752s?

No, that is "Sudamerica Air", which will fly EZE-USH with 2 757s, but with current market regulations --- this will not be a profitable operation I can say.

Cheers! wave 
Gastón - The MD11 Junkie



There is no such thing as Boeing vs Airbus as the queen of the skies has three engines, winglets and the sweetest nose!
User currently offlineGhost77 From Mexico, joined Mar 2000, 5237 posts, RR: 51
Reply 21, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 1793 times:

Quoting MD11junkie (Reply 20):
Nothing more than a "wish". Air Madrid is only sniffing the Argentine market. No planes, no date.

Oh!! Trust Air Madrid! They're about to launch in Mexico a carrier to feed their planes and they might open new routes...!!! Cheap service but that's what you get when paying cheap fares.

Quoting MD11junkie (Reply 20):
No, that is "Sudamerica Air", which will fly EZE-USH with 2 757s, but with current market regulations --- this will not be a profitable operation I can say.

Ooooh!! What are those market regulations about???

ghost77 APM



Ricardo Morales - flyAPM - ¡No es que maneje rapido, solo estoy volando lento!
User currently offlineMD11junkie From Argentina, joined May 2005, 3149 posts, RR: 57
Reply 22, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 1759 times:

Hola Ricardo,

Quoting Ghost77 (Reply 21):
Oh!! Trust Air Madrid! They're about to launch in Mexico a carrier to feed their planes and they might open new routes...!!! Cheap service but that's what you get when paying cheap fares.

I can certainly trust them, but this country's poor aeronautical culture has showed me to SEE before I BELIEVE

Quoting Ghost77 (Reply 21):
Ooooh!! What are those market regulations about???

Well, basically these are price controlling bands. That is, the government, in order for people to afford the air fares, sets minimum and maximum bands. These bands are the limits that the prices can reach, either for bad or good. The problem is, these bands are in accordance to the 1 to 1 peg of the Argentine Peso to the US Dollar. They have not been updated. There is a posibility since LAN and Aerolineas called for it, that the bands will be revised and/or eliminated.

Here's the limit: Everything is in Argentine Pesos. (scroll half way through the page)

Decreto 1654/2002 del Poder Ejecutivo Nacional -- Transporte Aerocomercial

NOTE: This presidential decree does not SET the minimums nor maximum bands, but mentions it. After the economic crisis, air transport in Argentina was declared in emergency.

Cheers!
Gastón - The MD11 Junkie

[Edited 2006-02-11 22:56:17]


There is no such thing as Boeing vs Airbus as the queen of the skies has three engines, winglets and the sweetest nose!
User currently offlineMD11junkie From Argentina, joined May 2005, 3149 posts, RR: 57
Reply 23, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 1727 times:

Actually, the past post was wrong. I just consulted my information, and the price bands were set post devaluation. In fact, the presidential decree you see above, is the one that sets the reference tariffs for the important destinations. They do have the devaluated peso, but they do not have the new fuel price accounted.

Here's the complete list:
Sistema de Tarifas Vigente -- Subsecretaría de Transporte AeroComercial

Cheers! wave 
Gastón - The MD11 Junkie



There is no such thing as Boeing vs Airbus as the queen of the skies has three engines, winglets and the sweetest nose!
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