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Indian Aviation Thread: Part 8  
User currently offlineLAXDESI From United States of America, joined May 2005, 5086 posts, RR: 47
Posted (8 years 8 months 3 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 5815 times:

Kingfisher doubles agent payout to 10%. Link:
http://www1.economictimes.indiatimes.com/articleshow/1401670.cms

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The fare war in the domestic skies is rapidly turning into a full-fledged battle for the flying Indian, with airlines trying every trick in the book to grab passengers. Jet Airways and Air-Sahara cut fares last week.

Kingfisher Airlines, the newest entrant in the Indian domestic airline scene, has responded by doubling commissions offered to travel agents. The travel trade is a major channel for ticket sales for the full service airlines and the Vijay Mallya-promoted airline has hiked commissions to an unprecedented 10%.

Kingfisher fares remain unchanged and the airline hopes to push sales through enhanced commissions. About 60% of its tickets are sold by travel agents, with the remaining being sold through direct channels including the net.

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User currently offlineKaran69 From India, joined Oct 2004, 2892 posts, RR: 18
Reply 1, posted (8 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 5793 times:

Once a business man, alwas a business----smart of him to think from the other side.

Also i hear he is gonna implement a Business class on the "owned" 320s that will be delivered to him probably within 5 months time.

Also they have relesed their FFP known as King Club.


User currently offlineHimmat01 From India, joined Dec 2004, 1047 posts, RR: 6
Reply 2, posted (8 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 5789 times:

I have heard news circulating that Indian airlines will be allowed to fly overseas after completion of one year of operstions. This has been reported in the print edition of the Times of India, BLR edition. This is good news for DN, IT and 0S. DN has been flying for over two years now. IT and 0S will be completing one year in April/May 2006.

Opening up of competition in international flights out of India will result in a wider choice for passengers at a reasonable fare. This is a step in the right direction. There were no such limits for foreign airlines flying into India. It made no sense at all restricting Indian airlines from flying abroad.



An airplane might disappoint any pilot but it'll never surprise a good one.
User currently offlineKaran69 From India, joined Oct 2004, 2892 posts, RR: 18
Reply 3, posted (8 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 5774 times:

Quoting Himmat01 (Reply 2):
news circulating that Indian airlines will be allowed to fly overseas after completion of one year of operstions. This has been reported in the print edition of the Times of India, BLR edition. This is good news for DN, IT and 0S. DN has been flying for over two years now. IT and 0S will be completing one year in April/May 2006.

Opening up of competition in international flights out of India will result in a wider choice for passengers at a reasonable fare. This is a step in the right direction. There were no such limits for foreign airlines flying into India. It made no sense at all restricting Indian airlines from flying abroad.

Agreed this is indeed a step in the right direction, why should'nt our DN be allowed to compete with the likes of JetStar on the BLR-SIN route.


User currently offlineCricket From India, joined Aug 2005, 2971 posts, RR: 7
Reply 4, posted (8 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 5771 times:

That is because the government wants to increase competition on the international sectors - however given that NG paid the amount of money he did for S2 I guess he intentended to build up an international network before the others could start. I'm sure 'friendly' phone calls will be made to Sharad Pawar and PeePee - because this can get very political. The decision will be stalled for some time, and even if carriers get the go-ahead, there are no aircraft to start with unless carriers start taking leases on old 767's. So Jet with the A333's they'll get this year might still have the upper hand.
On another note, the evil commies are smarting real bad after their airport defeat.
And has anyone found out where the fifth 777 is coming from?



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User currently offlineCricket From India, joined Aug 2005, 2971 posts, RR: 7
Reply 5, posted (8 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 5764 times:

And another strange aspect to the doubling of agents commissions. KF is actually finding it difficult to get high-yield passengers - especially now with 9W and IC drastically cutting fares as the summer low season is about to start. I wonder how the other LCC's will cope through this summer. And the biggest beneficiary of the agent commission increase will be makemytrip which sells over a quarter of KF's tickets.


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User currently offlineKaran69 From India, joined Oct 2004, 2892 posts, RR: 18
Reply 6, posted (8 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 5737 times:

Quoting Cricket (Reply 4):
The decision will be stalled for some time, and even if carriers get the go-ahead, there are no aircraft to start with unless carriers start taking leases on old 767's. So Jet with the A333's they'll get this year might still have the upper hand.

I am sure VM will be able to match Naresh wing to wing on phone calls that made to the minister, lets not forget that VM is Rajya Sabha MP.

As far as aircraft availability is concerned, yes that will definitly be a problem, but lets not forget that 320s/738s can easily make SIN/BKK/KUL easily---also Middle eastern routes[but for now they are reserved for AI/IC].

Quoting Cricket (Reply 4):
And has anyone found out where the fifth 777 is coming from?

ALFACO a Kuwait Leasing firm----which has probably bought it from SQ.


User currently offlineCricket From India, joined Aug 2005, 2971 posts, RR: 7
Reply 7, posted (8 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 5711 times:

Quoting Karan69 (Reply 6):
As far as aircraft availability is concerned, yes that will definitly be a problem, but lets not forget that 320s/738s can easily make SIN/BKK/KUL easily---also Middle eastern routes[but for now they are reserved for AI/IC].

Yes, but then the 738's that are flying the SE Asia routes right now have low-yield passengers as compared to what MH,TG and SQ get on bigger planes - and also minimal cargo yields. Just because you get to fly abroad doesn't mean you start minting moolah!

Quoting Karan69 (Reply 6):
I am sure VM will be able to match Naresh wing to wing on phone calls that made to the minister, lets not forget that VM is Rajya Sabha MP.

I don't think so, anyway I guess the ministry is just making these noises right now, I doubt it will go thru.


I knew the plane was coming from ALFACO but I wanted to know where they got it from. I don't think SQ is withdrawing 777's as yet - they're just withdrawing 744's as far as I know. ALFACO owns one 777 that is in service with MH (and half of another) but MH isn't cutting back services either (plus their 777's are RR powered, that way SQ's are PW powered). I was just curious as to where the plane is coming from, since even the usual suspects (UA and RG) don't have spares around.



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User currently offlineVimanav From India, joined Jul 2003, 1516 posts, RR: 14
Reply 8, posted (8 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 5708 times:

Quoting LAXDESI (Thread starter):
Kingfisher doubles agent payout to 10%.



Quoting Karan69 (Reply 1):
Once a business man, alwas a business----smart of him to think from the other side.

Smart, my foot. He's driving in another nail into his own coffin.

1. Yields in India are not high enough to sustain operations at his kind cost.
2. 9W, IC and the others are not going to sit still and let him eat the cake. Besides they are bigger with better market coverage and infrastructure than KFA and also enjoy some economies of scale which KFA does not.
3. ATF prices are still abominably high in India for any domestic airline to be breaking even.
4. To top these his 320s have weight penalties of a couple of tonnes due to the IFE systems on board
5. And now doubling commissions to travel agents.

You dont make money either in the short or in the long term by having so many cost cards loaded against you. Its a battle of attrition to see whether VM produces beer faster or his airplanes drink fuel faster. Its amazing that nobody.. least of all these so called smart businessmen even consider the old adage: Those who forget history are condemned to repeat it. And here he is playing Russian roulette with the Airline business.

The pity is that the common man gets carried away by VM and his showmanship. Its like, if Vijay Mallya - worlds 2nd largest liquor baron - is doing it, it must be right. Well no. And he'll bite the dust in half the time that the other showman did with Sahara.

Vinash kale vipareeth buddhi!!

rgds//Vimanav



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User currently offlineCricket From India, joined Aug 2005, 2971 posts, RR: 7
Reply 9, posted (8 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 5703 times:

Quoting Vimanav (Reply 8):
You dont make money either in the short or in the long term by having so many cost cards loaded against you. Its a battle of attrition to see whether VM produces beer faster or his airplanes drink fuel faster. Its amazing that nobody.. least of all these so called smart businessmen even consider the old adage: Those who forget history are condemned to repeat it. And here he is playing Russian roulette with the Airline business.

You see, VM in beer also is dubious - the man claims only 1.5% profit margins (great for airlines mind you) on BEER! That is one-tenth the global norm and evn if you say the die are against you in India (taxes, distribution, low consumption) if you boast that you're the world's #2 booze maker, scale itself should mean at least 6-8% profit margins.
But then you see his lifestyle and wonder, hmmmm, where does all that money come from. Which is why when you talk to a stock-broker or analyst in Bombay about UB they laugh. Loudly. People have to be mad to invest in that company.
I think the doubling agent commissions is a sign of desperation. 9W has just improved scale and is pouring in money essentially to see off Kingfisher, keep in mind, Naresh Goyal wasn't born yesterday and there is a lot to be said about quiet, low-profile businessmen. I've got a funny feeling that it was Naresh Goyal who talked Captain Gopinath out of the so-called anti-Jet alliance (even though Gopinath and Goyal had their issues once upon a time).
Yeah, having a TV isn't bad, but for a 90 minute flight, its overkill (on a transcopn US flight its great). And the airline that VM modelled Kingfisher on, JetBlue has recently declared its latest results and they made a loss, and VM has a crazier fleet plan than anyone else in India. Also instead of getting the minister's ear for international flights, IC wants more than the Rs 120 crore that KF paid them last year, lots more and if KF suddenly have to set up their own tech centre in India, things can get real bad, real quick.

What I think will happen. In five-six months before the bottom starts falling out of the market - Jet would have started getting their new Airbus A330-300's and would have bolstered their domestic opns with the new 737's, Kingfisher will go public. VM will sell off a large part of his stake in the offering at a Kingfisher that was fantastically valued, thus pulling his own money out of the airline and leaving the public (either directly or via MF's) to sink.

Either that, or someone will get smart real soon.



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User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31684 posts, RR: 56
Reply 10, posted (8 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 5659 times:

Was going thru this link which was posted out here.Quite Interesting news Articles.
Talking Tarmac
Any idea whose the Editor.
regds
MEL



Think of the brighter side!
User currently offlineAseem From India, joined Feb 2005, 2046 posts, RR: 10
Reply 11, posted (8 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 5650 times:

Quoting HAWK21M (Reply 10):

which article are you referring to.



ala re ala, VT-ALA ala
User currently offlineLAXDESI From United States of America, joined May 2005, 5086 posts, RR: 47
Reply 12, posted (8 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 5649 times:

Quoting Cricket (Reply 9):
What I think will happen. In five-six months before the bottom starts falling out of the market - Jet would have started getting their new Airbus A330-300's and would have bolstered their domestic opns with the new 737's, Kingfisher will go public. VM will sell off a large part of his stake in the offering at a Kingfisher that was fantastically valued, thus pulling his own money out of the airline and leaving the public (either directly or via MF's) to sink.

I worry more about Indian airlines as their net profit margin is about 1%. Between the price/commission wars, I expect them to start losing money which in turn will affect their IPO valuation.
The 10% commission is not a bad idea if your load factor is very low which I do not think is the case for Kingfisher. I remember reading that on certain routes they have a 90% load factor. Given that 60% of their sales are through agents, their operating margins will decrease by about 3%.


User currently offlineLAXDESI From United States of America, joined May 2005, 5086 posts, RR: 47
Reply 13, posted (8 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 5643 times:

British Airways offers return tickets to London @ Rs 14,500. Link:
http://www1.economictimes.indiatimes.com/articleshow/1403051.cms

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British Airways on Monday announced offering return tickets from Delhi, Mumbai and Chennai to London at Rs 14,500, with option to travel to other European destination for Rs 3,000 more. A British Airway World traveller (economy class) return ticket from Delhi, Mumbai and Chennai to London will now cost Rs 14,500 (plus applicable taxes), the airline said in a statement.

By paying an additional amount of Rs 3,000 plus taxes, passengers can also extend their journey to any destination in the UK, Munich or Frankfurt. Passengers can also travel to any online destination in the US for Rs 35,000 (plus taxes).

To avail of this offer, British Airways passengers must commence their journey before May 31, 2006 and complete their ticketing procedure before February 28, 2006.

From now till March 31, passengers can avail of discounts in FIRST cabin, Club World and World Traveller Plus to London. Passengers travelling from Chennai to UK/Europe/USA/Canada in the FIRST cabin can get up to 50 per cent off on the current fares. To avail this offer, passengers return travel must be to Chennai and all travel procedure completed before March 25.

Passengers can also avail of a special fare package on their tavel from Bangalore to UK/Europe/USA/Canada. A 30 per cent off on current published fares is being offered on return travel to Bangalore, the release said.


User currently offlineLAXDESI From United States of America, joined May 2005, 5086 posts, RR: 47
Reply 14, posted (8 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 5639 times:

Anil Ambani to acquire DTDC Courier? Link:
http://www.talkingtarmac.com/others/reliance-dtdc.asp

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Recent media reports have indicated that the Anil Ambani-owned Reliance Capital is planning to acquire 44% stake in DTDC Courier and Cargo. Quoting agency reports, DNA and Financial Express reported that the privately-held DTDC is up for sale, following a disagreement between the two brothers who jointly own the company now.

DTDC is owned by Subhashish and Debashish Chakraborty, who own 56% and 44% stakes respectively. The reports suggested that the stake would change hands by the end of January, but that has not happened yet. The bulk of DTDC's revenues are generated by its franchisees across the country. Its last annual revenues stood at Rs 125 crore, with a net profit of Rs 8.6 crore, reports said.


User currently offlineAseem From India, joined Feb 2005, 2046 posts, RR: 10
Reply 15, posted (8 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 5622 times:

Quoting LAXDESI (Reply 14):
Recent media reports have indicated that the Anil Ambani-owned Reliance Capital is planning to acquire 44% stake in DTDC Courier and Cargo

What does DTDC use to ship their cargo? Will this see Ambanis entering into Cargo business. Smart move I'd say considering they have interests in Core industry.
What are GoI's regulations regarding private cargo operators? Will it allow them to fly international? Was wondering why no new player in that segment. I'm sure it must be attractive.
rgds
VT-ASJ



ala re ala, VT-ALA ala
User currently offlineKaran69 From India, joined Oct 2004, 2892 posts, RR: 18
Reply 16, posted (8 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 5614 times:

Quoting Karan69 (Reply 6):
Quoting Cricket (Reply 4):
And has anyone found out where the fifth 777 is coming from?

ALFACO a Kuwait Leasing firm----which has probably bought it from SQ.



Quoting Cricket (Reply 7):
knew the plane was coming from ALFACO but I wanted to know where they got it from. I don't think SQ is withdrawing 777's as yet - they're just withdrawing 744's as far as I know. ALFACO owns one 777 that is in service with MH (and half of another) but MH isn't cutting back services either (plus their 777's are RR powered, that way SQ's are PW powered). I was just curious as to where the plane is coming from, since even the usual suspects (UA and RG) don't have spares around.

OK Cricket finally some information on this------THERE IS NO 5TH 777,

i recieved an email from someone named Sanjay[Thx btw] who said that the ALFACO 777 is VT-AIK already flying since Dec,2004.
Check out their aircraft fleet and you will realise that they purchased the 772 from the American market.for 75 mil USD.

So no additional T7, here is the link.

http://www.alafco-kw.com/tabid/84/Default.aspx


User currently offlineLAXDESI From United States of America, joined May 2005, 5086 posts, RR: 47
Reply 17, posted (8 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 5510 times:

HC won't stay airport work, but will speed up hearing. Link:
http://www1.economictimes.indiatimes.com/articleshow/1403535.cms

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The Delhi High Court has put the litigation over modernisation of Delhi and Mumbai airports on ‘fast track’ and declined any interim stay. Noting that the project was of national importance, a division bench comprising Justices TS Thakur and Sanjeev Khanna on Monday said that time-consuming procedures would be relaxed for a quick decision on the petition filed by Reliance Airports Developers, an Anil Ambani Group company, seeking cancellation of the decision to select GMR-Fraport and GVK-South African Airports as private sector partners for Delhi and Mumbai airports, respectively.

The court has given time till Wednesday for the respondents — the government, GMR and GVK — to file their written submission in response to the Reliance petition. To respond to these submissions, Reliance has been given time till Saturday — the deadline for all written submissions, replies, affidavits and counter-affidavits.


User currently offlineLAXDESI From United States of America, joined May 2005, 5086 posts, RR: 47
Reply 18, posted (8 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 5503 times:

Interesting comparison of aviation markets in India, China, and USA. Link:
http://www.hindustantimes.com/news/181_1618918,00120002.htm

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At the time of Independence, there were around 450 airports in the country, many of them dirt tracks, but operational. Air transport had the potential to become mass transport. But the sector was shackled by nationalisation. Consequently, air transport became synonymous with the elite and the privileged, while the masses were advised to either minimise travel, or risk their lives and limbs during each journey in overcrowded and dilapidated vehicles and trains. So, today, in a country of over one billion, barely 40 million passengers can afford to take to the skies. This is, of course, a big improvement on the 10 million who could afford this luxury 12 years ago, when private airlines were first permitted to fly again within India.

While the entry of competing private airlines has opened the Indian skies for many people, the public sector monopoly of Airports Authority of India (AAI) — which operates airports and regulates the Indian sky — has remained. The Left claims that AAI is a profit-making public sector. But it ignores the fact that these profits come because of its monopoly status, and consequent ability to squeeze airlines and the paying public for every paisa, without any particular commitment to service. In this country, only 60 odd airports are operated for commerce today.

Civil aviation in India can fly to much greater heights, if only the deadweight of restrictive policies and AAI control is removed. Compare India with the world. Barely 4 per cent of all Indians would have flown last year, even if we make the unlikely assumption that each flier took only one flight each.

In the US, over 700 million passengers took to the skies in 2004. This is two-and-a-half times its entire population. This is made possible by a network of airports that maps population density. For instance, in the state of New York alone, there are 19 primary commercial airports, over 90 operational airports and a total of about 150 airports — all this to service a population of less than 20 million.

If New York is too far away, consider China. Around 120 million Chinese flew in 2004. The country has 197 airports, of which 132 are commercially available. Forty-eight airports, including 25 trunk line airports and 23 regional and tourism airports, were built or renovated in the last five years. The Civil Aviation Administration of China (CAAC) has in recent years turned 93 airports over to local governments. It has allowed investment, including foreign investment, worth over US $ 10 billion in the development of airports. It is estimated that by 2020, the size of civil aviation in China will be second only to that of the US, rising from its present fifth rank.

In contrast, since opening the Indian skies to private Indian airlines, it took us eight years to start the construction of the new Bangalore airport. Five years were taken to approve the plan to allow private sector participation in the modernisation of Delhi and Bombay airports, expected to be completed by 2010. With only the Kochi airport operational under private management, and Hyderabad airport being built with private participation, it is legitimate to ask, can Indians really take to the sky?

Aircraft could be used for mass transport with a few basic policy changes. One, complete deregulation of airlines, airports and services like air traffic control, so that there is open competition among the various service providers. Two, allowing local and state governments to operationalise the hundreds of dormant airports that dot the country. Three, reforming the land laws in the states, so that private investors can freely decide whether to set up large or small airports, say within or surrounding the NCR, or create a new regional hub.

Investors would then be able to decide on the size of their airports, attract airlines operators who could then decide on the size of their aircraft and fleet, depending on whether there is a demand for a national, regional, sub-regional or local traffic.

In such a deregulated and competitive environment, passengers could no longer be held hostage by any airline or airport. Consumers would be empowered with much greater choices in terms of services and price. Finally, such bottom-up reforms would allow the spread of manpower skills, from management to pilots and ATCs. Competition in all spheres of air transport would make flying within reach of the masses. There would be no reason for the Delhi to Thiruvananthapuram air fare to be as expensive as that of Delhi to London.


User currently offlineLAXDESI From United States of America, joined May 2005, 5086 posts, RR: 47
Reply 19, posted (8 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 5501 times:

Qatar Airways to launch services from Nagpur. Link:
http://news.webindia123.com/news/sho...details.asp?id=242093&cat=Business

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Qatar Airways will soon launch regular flights to link Maharashtra's Nagpur and Qatar capital Doha, a top official of the airline said Monday. "We see a lot of traffic in this untapped sector and with just a few airlines serving in this region, this industrial belt has a lot of potential," said Akbar Al Bakar, the chief executive officer of the airline. Qatar Airways will offer three flights every week with about 340 seats each.

"Nagpur is underserved both domestically and internationally by air carriers," Bakar said. "But this extremely resource-rich region of Maharashtra offers tremendous opportunities as it is one of India's largest containers hubs." The city is currently connected by low cost domestic airlines Air Deccan and GoAir.

Nagpur will be the sixth gateway in India for Qatar Airways, which currently operates 30 flights every week from five Indian cities. "We are looking forward to permission for operating from at least 11 cities in the country," Bakar said.

The Indian government has recently started promoting the Maharashtra city. Civil Aviation Minister Praful Patel has recommended US aircraft major Boeing to set up in Nagpur its maintenance and service hub for which the company has committed $100 million. The government, too, is setting up a new pilot training institute at Gondia near the city.


User currently offlineLAXDESI From United States of America, joined May 2005, 5086 posts, RR: 47
Reply 20, posted (8 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 5495 times:

British Airways offers package on London-India routes. Link:
http://news.webindia123.com/news/sho...42102&n_date=20060207&cat=Business

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In an announcement that could further boost overseas travel, British Airways Monday offered an unprecedented fare package between cities in India and London. A British Airways world traveller (economy class) two-way ticket from Chennai, Mumbai and New Delhi to London will now cost only Rs. 14,500 (plus applicable taxes). This is the most competitive economy fare being offered on the direct India-London route, a press release of the airlines said here.

By paying an additional amount of Rs. 3,000 (plus taxes), Indian passengers can also extend their journey to any destination in Britain, or Munich or Frankfurt in Germany. Passengers can also travel to any online destination in the US for Rs. 35,000 (plus taxes). To avail this offer, British Airways passengers must commence their journey before May 31, 2006 and must complete the ticketing procedure before Feb 28, 2006.

"At Rs. 14,500 inclusive of the return fare, we are now offering the world renowned British Airways premium quality experience at a price that is perhaps the most competitive in India", said British Airways commercial manager in India, Alok Sawhney. "Our intention is to provide maximum flexibility to our passengers and to offer as many options as possible to fly direct to London to the discerning Indian traveller."

From now till March 31, passengers can also avail discounts in First, Club World and World Traveller Plus to London. "India is a very exciting market for British Airways. We have seen a lot of growth in the aviation sector and have always maintained that there is a huge potential in this country", Sawhney added.


User currently offlineLAXDESI From United States of America, joined May 2005, 5086 posts, RR: 47
Reply 21, posted (8 years 8 months 3 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 5469 times:

Air One to start Mumbai-Kolkata flights. Link:
http://www.talkingtarmac.com/launch/airone-bangalore.asp

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Air One, a Bangalore-based airline will start its operations with a direct flight to Kolkata from Mumbai. The operations are likely to start by next month. The airline may also operate between Pune and Mumbai. Air One will be using 50-seater Embraer ERJ-145 jets and will have an all-economy seating. In the beginning, tickets will be available only on the Internet.

Air One has booked slots at the Pune Airport. The flight timings are not known yet. The airline will operate the two plus one variant of the Embraer Jet on the Pune route. Air One fleet now has one aircraft, but plans to increase it to five soon.


User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31684 posts, RR: 56
Reply 22, posted (8 years 8 months 3 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 5387 times:

Quoting LAXDESI (Reply 21):
Air One will be using 50-seater Embraer ERJ-145 jets and will have an all-economy seating. In the beginning, tickets will be available only on the Internet.

What happened to their B737 plans.
regds
MEL



Think of the brighter side!
User currently offlineCricket From India, joined Aug 2005, 2971 posts, RR: 7
Reply 23, posted (8 years 8 months 3 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 5385 times:

Quoting LAXDESI (Reply 21):
Air One, a Bangalore-based airline will start its operations with a direct flight to Kolkata from Mumbai. The operations are likely to start by next month. The airline may also operate between Pune and Mumbai. Air One will be using 50-seater Embraer ERJ-145 jets and will have an all-economy seating. In the beginning, tickets will be available only on the Internet.

So I take it that they'll overnight in CCU? But isn't a E145 too small a plane for this sector - CASM on such a plane is far higher than on a 737NG or A32X and yields that are already low (even for large carriers) would be negative for a new player.

Quoting Karan69 (Reply 16):
OK Cricket finally some information on this------THERE IS NO 5TH 777,

i recieved an email from someone named Sanjay[Thx btw] who said that the ALFACO 777 is VT-AIK already flying since Dec,2004.
Check out their aircraft fleet and you will realise that they purchased the 772 from the American market.for 75 mil USD.

Hmmm, this is what I got from their website (below), this essentially states that AIK which came onboard sometime late last year is going to be with AI for five years, $75mill for a six year olf 777-200ER ain't a terribly bad price if you ask me (can we use the 'rustbucket' word here?  Silly). Shucks so we'll have to wait til' Feb 07 for #5.
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Kuwait, 28 January 2006 : The Chairman and CEO of ALAFCO, Aviation Lease And Finance Company, Ahmad Abdullah Alzabin stated that the company leased Air India a Boeing B777-200 by virtue of a five-year contract lately signed by the two parties to increase the dealing volume between them to five leased aircraft of both Boeing and Airbus main types.
Alzabin pointed out, in a press release, that the aircraft was purchased by ALAFCO from the American market at the amount of US Dollars 75 million and it is deemed an important qualitative addition to the company’s fleet of 12 aircraft; it is also the second aircraft of this important type it owns while the Malaysian Airlines leases the other aircraft.
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User currently offlineGr8Circle From Canada, joined Dec 2005, 3116 posts, RR: 4
Reply 24, posted (8 years 8 months 3 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 5332 times:

Quoting LAXDESI (Reply 19):
"Nagpur is underserved both domestically and internationally by air carriers," Bakar said. "But this extremely resource-rich region of Maharashtra offers tremendous opportunities as it is one of India's largest containers hubs." The city is currently connected by low cost domestic airlines Air Deccan and GoAir.

And what about IC, 9W and Alliance Air who have been operating to Nagpur for quite some time now....??


25 Post contains links Airish : IC seems to have received offers of A310 and A330 aircraft for dry lease. http://www.thehindubusinessline.com/...02/08/stories/2006020802850900.htm
26 Post contains links UALAX : New Bangalore Airport on track http://inhome.rediff.com/money/2006/feb/06air.htm
27 Post contains images RobK : Spicejet on its way! BFI-YQX right now (early hours zulu of 8 Feb). VT-SPF in full c/s with winglets. R
28 Post contains links RobK : Following on from my post above, it's using VTSPF as callsign and here's the blurb about it on Boeing's site : http://www.boeing.com/news/releases/200
29 Post contains links Himmat01 : Air India Express to launch domestic service AIX intends to start full scale domestic air services by next year. AI X Domestic Services Quotes from Bu
30 Himmat01 : AI Express may commence international service from Mangalore AI Express intends to start service on Mangalore-Sharjah sector if the immigration and cu
31 Karan69 : 5 A330s are excellent ---where are they coming from
32 HAWK21M : Great news.Delayed by a Forthnight.Now its 7. regds MEL
33 Post contains images Himmat01 :
34 Cricket : Sweeeeeet..... Now just the wait for AIX's first wingletted craft. Is 9W expanding its winglet installations across their owned 738 (85R) fleet?
35 Vimanav : BA has also released a circular into the market offering 10% discount on all published IATA fares. This means that you can get a BA ticket for a net
36 Post contains links LAXDESI : Coimbatore airport traffic picks up. Link: http://www.talkingtarmac.com/airport/coimbatore-boom.asp Quotes: The textile industry and engineering manuf
37 Post contains links LAXDESI : Lufthansa flights from Nov to Kolkatta likely. Link: http://www.thestatesman.net/page.new...clid=22&theme=&usrsess=1&id=105852 Quotes: Lufthansa, the
38 Post contains links LAXDESI : Lufthansa's new Hyderabad flights. Link: http://www.talkingtarmac.com/launch/lufthansa-india.asp Quotes: Germany's Lufthansa announced that it is plan
39 Post contains links LAXDESI : Indian Airlines may fly to new overseas destinations. Link: http://www.talkingtarmac.com/launch/indian-overseas.asp Quotes: State-owned airline Indian
40 Post contains links UALAX : Interesting article in the Hindu today about the interiors for the new Air India planes. Does AI plan on having a premium economy section for the 773E
41 Himmat01 : Does anybody know, where IC is leasing the A330s and A310s from?
42 Post contains links Himmat01 : Airport Revamp on New Course Link: Airport Revamp Quotes: In the case of other 35 airports on the modernisation list, the government will follow a pub
43 HAWK21M : Anyone having the Newslink of last forthnight about the IC Mx staff accidently trigerring the Highjack Distress button. I'm struggling to convince the
44 Cricket : IC leasing A310's - I mean even AI doesn't want to lease any more of those old tubbies anymore. And what version A330's are these? Are they the early
45 Post contains links LAXDESI : Airline unions to come under one banner. I hope ATC employees are not allowed to join. Link: http://www.ndtvprofit.com/homepage/s...iationpolicy&which
46 Post contains links RobK : VT-SPF should be arriving at VIDP shortly, if it hasn't already done so. Another Indian on delivery is Sahara's VT-SJG (as N164LF), with left Boeing F
47 LAXDESI : Just read in Indian Express(North American edition) that CO is offering EWR-DEL non-stop for $769, and so is AA for ORD-DEL. Furthermore, AA has offer
48 Post contains images Aseem : I once did a mock search and found CO's YYZ-EWR-DEL cheaper than AC's YYZ-ZRH-DEL There was no mention of AA's ORD-DEL rgds VT-ASJ
49 Post contains links LAXDESI : 4 new low-cost airlines waiting in the wings. Link: http://www.deccanherald.com/deccanherald/feb102006/index2018200629.asp Quotes: Bangalore-based Air
50 HAWK21M : Why is S2 getting this Aircraft after the deal. I doubt.his rumour of EWA restarting with announcements has been on since almost a decade now. Althou
51 Sammyk : I'd imagine it is because Jet is not in control of Sahara yet and Sahara has to honor its commitments.
52 HAWK21M : I think the transfer of the Co would be completed next month.Bad decision. regds MEL
53 Post contains links LAXDESI : More SriLankan flights to Goa, Coimbatore. Link: http://www.talkingtarmac.com/launch/srilankan-airlines.asp Quotes: SriLankan has announced its intere
54 Post contains images Himmat01 :
55 Karan69 : These could also be the aircrafts that were being sent for REFIT or new leased ones to operate the international routes to SIN/BKK/KUL and Middle Eas
56 LAXDESI : THIS THREAD IS CLOSED. PLEASE GO TO PART 9.
57 LAXDESI : I am forced to revive this thread as part 9 was deleted by moderators. The reason given is that thread 8 was not large enough based on replies count.
58 Post contains links LAXDESI : Interesting article on profitabilty of Jet, Deccan, and Spice Jet. Link: http://dnaindia.com/report.asp?NewsID=1011797&CatID=4 Quotes: Deccan Aviation
59 Post contains links LAXDESI : Paramount Airways to expand flights from March and order 15 new aircrafts. Link: http://www.hindu.com/2006/02/11/stories/2006021104130500.htm Quotes:
60 Post contains links LAXDESI : Air Sahara incident related to discrimination against 34 Spanish tourists. BTW, my wife always complains that AI treats its white passengers better th
61 Post contains links LAXDESI : It was like being hijacked by the airline: Air Deccan passengers. Link: http://cities.expressindia.com/fullstory.php?newsid=169412 Quotes: AIRLINE sch
62 Post contains links Airish : AI Express plans Tiruchi service http://www.hindu.com/2006/02/12/stories/2006021209810100.htm This shows the benefits of AI Express
63 LAXDESI : These direct connections from non-metros to international and domestic destinations will take pressure off the metro airports. Now one can take a one
64 Post contains links LAXDESI : Interview with PP by Newsweek. Link: http://msnbc.msn.com/id/11299808/site/newsweek/ Quotes: Why can't India move as quickly ahead on infrastructure d
65 Nimish : Thanks for the detailed updates Rob. I look forward to the day when the first of the heavies ordered (like the 330/350/380 by 9W, and 777/787 by AI)
66 Jaysit : Decisions can be made in China with no noisy opposition parties, coalition parties, local politicians, environmental groups, labor unions, etc. clamo
67 Karan69 : 15 flights of S2 were cancelled, as pilots called in sick----they went on strike following the working conditions they would face at 9W as they would
68 LAXDESI : To London and back for less than Rs 13,000(US $290). Fares are around Rs 14,000(US $310) this year compared to Rs 30,000(US $670) last year. Quotes: W
69 Jetway : These fares are from MUMBAI right and not from any other place as BMI flies from BOM only.
70 LAXDESI : I believe so. Only BA offers the same fare from Chennai and Bangalore. Given the low yields on these routes it is unlikely that Virgin and BMI will e
71 Blrsea : I don't think the fares have been offered from BLR by BA. They were offered from the four metros only.
72 LAXDESI : I stand corrected. BTW, why is BLR not considered a metro? Is the metro list set in stone?
73 Post contains links LAXDESI : Indian may pip Jet in race to US. Link: http://www1.economictimes.indiatimes.com/articleshow/1411711.cms Quotes: Indian may still pip Jet Airways, Ind
74 Post contains links LAXDESI : Another round of big-ticket aircraft purchases in the air. Link: http://www1.economictimes.indiatimes.com/articleshow/1411711.cms. Quotes: Indian carr
75 Jaysit : What are the loads on flights to London from India? In particular, from Mumbai, a city that now has 42 direct weekly flights to London, a massive incr
76 Concorde001 : From what I have seen and heard reported by BA, their flights to DEL/BOM and BLR are doing very well. The double daily to BOM are regulary full, espe
77 Post contains links LAXDESI : Kingfisher Airlines to raise Rs 450 crore(US $100 million). Link: http://www.talkingtarmac.com/corporate/kingfisher-stock.asp Quotes: Kingfisher Airli
78 LAXDESI : Does anyone know if EK is matching these low fares? Is EK one-stop normally cheaper than non-stop to LHR?
79 Post contains links LAXDESI : Airport modernization related. Jharkhand’s Munda wants Ranchi to jump the queue. Link: http://www.financialexpress.com/fe_full_story.php?content_id=
80 HAWK21M : Isn't it almost two years now. regds MEL
81 Karan69 : EK is till around the 30K mark, matching BA/AI, whereas GF is around 16K matching VS and now BA
82 Nimish : Excellent summary Concorde001 - welcome to my RU! Not very surprising at all given their totally confused strategy worldwide (and lack of marketing/d
83 Planeboy : Slightly OT. I am seeing strange sightings of a/c's in BLR recently. There seem to be a daily Saudi Arabian AB6 making rounds? Is it a Hajj flight? (I
84 Post contains images Concorde001 : Thank you very much! And for your kind words, welcome to my RU list!
85 Post contains links Aseem : NDTV rgds VT-ASJ
86 Cricket : The winter open skies might explain some of your sightings - especially SQ's increase in capacity. But the rest of the sightings are a bit strange -
87 Post contains links LAXDESI : BJP demands probe into Jet-Sahara deal. In another article I read that Jet/Sahara combination has close to 80% share(non-stop) on BOM-DEL sector, whic
88 Post contains links LAXDESI : 35 pilots from Air Sahara take off on mass leave. Unrest may be over issues of seniority resulting from Jet Airways’ take-over of the airline. Link:
89 Jaysit : Why? If other carriers want to break the Jet-Sahara monopoly, then they can use the market to achieve that - lower fares, increase flights, etc. In a
90 LAXDESI : BOM and DEL are both impacted airports wrt parking/landing/takeoff slots. It is impossible for other carriers to increase frequency under the above c
91 Post contains images Gr8Circle : What airlines are you referring to by IT and OS? And isn't it time to close this one and start thread #9....? You must be in the running for the most
92 LAXDESI : IT: Kingfisher OS: Spice Jet As for the thread, No.9 was deleted by the mods as they felt that #8 had not reached a large no. of replies. Note below
93 Gr8Circle : Are these the correct codes for these airlines.....? Because, if you hold the cursor over them, you get a very different name in the tags that appear
94 Post contains links LAXDESI : I noticed that too. Here is a link discussing allocation of code IT to Kingfisher. http://specials.rediff.com/money/2005/may/09sld2.htm
95 Jetway : I recently checked the Spicejet website and apparently their code will change from OS to SG from 27th March 2006.Check the schedules and correct me i
96 Post contains images Aseem : with Jetsgo gone, its time SG be assigned to somebody else. Hope it doesn't become a bad omen rgds VT-ASJ
97 Nimish : On the ATC, the SV flight is always a "Saudia cargo" flight. That might be the AB6 you saw. Once again over ATC, it's "Emirates Cargo". Wow - this wo
98 Aseem : thanks for the clarification. rgds VT-ASJ
99 Post contains links LAXDESI : Cochin International Airport control in play. Ambani groups and others interested in acquiring majority stake. Profits of 45 crores on total revenue o
100 Post contains links LAXDESI : Excellent growth in domestic traffic driven by LCCs/special fares. First three quarter growth at 36%. This year expected to have a growth of 45-48%!!!
101 Post contains links LAXDESI : Jet Airways may axe staff, tells ticketing employees to join BPO. This is surprising as domestic travel is expected to grow by 45% this year- perhaps
102 BlrBird : Also SV got permission from CAM this season to do direct HAJ flights (1x or 2x weekly). Emirates has 3x weekly cargo flights to BLR on its own metal
103 Himmat01 : Has anybody found out where the IC A330s are coming from? Are they A332s or A333s?
104 Post contains links and images HAWK21M : View Large View MediumPhoto © Robert Budde VT-VJM View Large View MediumPhoto © Gerd Beilfuss The old owner. Any Inside pics of VT-VJM.Why d
105 Post contains links and images Himmat01 : I have noticed that Airbus uses the same registration after the new aircraft has been registered in the customer airline's country. Lets take an exam
106 Post contains links LAXDESI : Jet, bmi in talks for interlink offer. BMI has a load factor of 60% on its LHR-BOM route. Plans to go daily from April 22 and offer more destinations
107 Post contains links LAXDESI : Air Deccan plans more flights from Chennai to Port Blair, Mumbai, and Ahmedabad. Link: http://sify.com/finance/equity/fullstory.php?id=14140046 Quotes
108 Post contains links LAXDESI : 20 Sahara pilots join Kingfisher. How long does it take to retrain pilots for A320 family certification? Link: http://www.hindustantimes.com/news/181_
109 Nimish : Wow - that would be quite an achievement for BD, better late than never.
110 Post contains links LAXDESI : Air Sahara pilots call off stir, normal flights from tomorrow. Sahara agrees to waiver of 6 month notice for quitting. How will Jet manage loss of 20
111 Post contains links LAXDESI : Air India to launch holiday packages to Kashmir, Ladakh from Gulf. Link: http://www.greaterkashmir.com/full_s...asp?Date=15_2_2006&ItemID=46&cat=5 Quo
112 Post contains links LAXDESI : IA to induct 260 more trainee pilots and require them to furnish bank guarantees and bonds.. Currently it has 70 aircrafts and 570 pilots and has been
113 HAWK21M : normally 35-45 days training.However faster if its from Glass cockpit to Glass cockpit. ie B737NG to A320s. regds MEL
114 Planeboy : Well, strange. EK's lone A310 is of Pax config and was a regular equipment for DXB-KHI route (EK timetable). Dunno if they can fit in all the cargo o
115 Post contains links LAXDESI : Korean Air begins cargo flights to Chennai. I wish they would start passenger flights too giving west coast USA/Canada residents an additional one-sto
116 Post contains links LAXDESI : Story about increased travel between India and Pakistan. My roommate in college days(early 1980) in California was from Pakistan and had wanted to vis
117 Post contains links Aseem : wonder why CCU is hotting up?? Talking Tarmac rgds VT-ASJ
118 Post contains links Aseem : always knew that alcohol was addictive, but never knew that airlines business can be additive to liquor barons...here come Mohan Meakins promoted airl
119 Post contains links LAXDESI : 'Air Sahara pilots headed for IndiGo, not Kingfisher. Does Jet have reserve pilots, or contingency plans in place in case they lose a lot of Sahara pi
120 LAXDESI : Anil Ambani buys 44% in DTDC Courier & Cargo. I hope this leads to future investments in an airline. Link: Quotes: Anil Ambani's Reliance Capital has
121 Post contains links LAXDESI : Indigo Airlines launch in July-August. No food will be offered on flights. Will receive about 10 planes each year over the next 10 years. Link: http:/
122 Ammunition : Hey guys regarding the expansion and upgradation of Delhi (and mumbai) airport(s), what sorts of changes will we see, I've read preliminary estimation
123 Post contains links Nimish : From http://www.atwonline.com/news/story.html?storyID=4068 Quote: Jet Airways eyes A380 or 747-8 for future big-aircraft fleet Jet Airways, fresh off
124 Post contains links Nimish : Some details are available at this location: http://www.aviationinfo.co.in/2006/Feb/16GMRnewRunway.htm
125 LAXDESI : THIS THREAD IS NOW CLOSED. PLEASE GO TO THREAD #10.
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