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Is Turning 180 Degrees On Active Runway Standard?  
User currently offlineAMS5280 From Netherlands, joined Aug 2005, 27 posts, RR: 0
Posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 4680 times:

UA 1478 (with me in it) just landed in TPA, it took a while before the wheels hit the ground and the plane decelerated up to the end of the runway. Then it made a 180 turn on the runway, and taxied back to the nearest entrance to the taxiway. Is this standard procedure? I fly into TPA weekly and haven't landed this way before. It was 11.40pm and not very busy.

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User currently offlineCaptaink From Mexico, joined May 2001, 5109 posts, RR: 12
Reply 1, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 4654 times:

Well on airports without parallel taxiways, it is done very often, either at the turning spot at the end of the runway, or depending on the size or weight of the airplane anywhere along the runway. This was the case in Grenada, my home. I am not sure about airports like TPA...


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User currently offlineIkramerica From United States of America, joined May 2005, 21474 posts, RR: 60
Reply 2, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 4646 times:

Sounds like you rolled all the way to the end, so you likely had no choice. I guess you could have tried to back up...  Wink


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User currently offlineCgagn From Canada, joined Sep 2003, 345 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 4640 times:

Here in YXE, it's a regular occurance. Westjet 737s and Jazz CRJs regularly land on runway 09 or 27, and due to the only taxiway other than the ends of the runway being half way down, they regularly just miss it and have to 180 back rather than going all the way to the end.

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User currently offlineJacobin777 From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 14968 posts, RR: 60
Reply 4, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 4637 times:

it happened to me a few years ago when I flew BD (737..yippy) a few years ago from LDS-LHR....we taxied onto the runway, did a full 180 then rumbled down the runway and rotated off...


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User currently offlineCaptaink From Mexico, joined May 2001, 5109 posts, RR: 12
Reply 5, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 4637 times:

I love being on the airplane when then do that... Sometimes they just use the momentum they had to spin around, then rev the engines slightly to taxi, or they come almost to a stop, rev the engines, spin around, then reduce thrust for taxi. Either way, I love to hear the engines when they do the 180 turn.


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User currently offlineMandargb From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 195 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 4599 times:

I know it is done very routinely on lot of airports for take off.
So doing it for landing should not be a big deal if you dont have any alternative to taxi to the parking.


User currently offlineNudelhirsch From Germany, joined Oct 2003, 1438 posts, RR: 19
Reply 7, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 4575 times:

Some airports do not have the taxiways for 'normal' taxiing. SXM for example on the far end. If you miss taxiway F you will hve to use the turn plate.

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Other airports have that too, for example you can see the turn plate in FNC here:


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User currently offlinePanAm747 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 4242 posts, RR: 8
Reply 8, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 4387 times:

And also at SAN...when BA flew into our airport, both the 747-400 and the 777 were too wide to use the parallel taxiway, so an escort was given to the planes. They would leave their docking space, proceed to the active runway, taxi down ON the runway itself, make a 180 degree turn, and take-off. Landings involved the same procedure, only in reverse.

Watching a 777 make a complete pirouette at tiny SAN is an amazing site, second only to watching the fully fueled behemoth getting airborne off less than 10,000 feet of runway!!

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User currently offlineBoeing744 From Canada, joined Jun 2005, 1830 posts, RR: 23
Reply 9, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 4351 times:

I have done it every time I have flown to YKA, both on takeoff and landing. With the Dash8, I don't think we even go to the end of the runway after landing, we just turnaround right there.

User currently offlinePlanemannyc From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 1007 posts, RR: 8
Reply 10, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 4238 times:
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A lot of small island airports have no parallel taxiway, so 180 turns are necessary. SXM is one, PPT, BOB, MOZ, HUH in French Polynesia required 180 turns on larger aircraft (the DHC-6 at Moorea (MOZ) did not need it as the aircraft used up only a fraction of the runway)

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User currently offlineNimish From India, joined Feb 2005, 3212 posts, RR: 9
Reply 11, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 4121 times:

At BLR doing a 180 on the active is very common. I find this rather strange, since they do have taxiways directly at the end of the end of either side of the runway, but ATC often forces a/c to enter the active runway from the middle, taxi to teh end, do a 180 and then take off. I've never seen it done on landing though.


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User currently offlineEmiratesA345 From Canada, joined Jun 2003, 2123 posts, RR: 9
Reply 12, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 4106 times:

This is also done in WRO. I'm not sure if it was done due to construction or if it is a regular occurance. I just remember it happening two years ago.

Mark



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User currently offlinePositiverate From United States of America, joined May 2005, 1590 posts, RR: 8
Reply 13, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 4068 times:

I believe it is called "back taxiing". I know in HVN they do it all the time if you are landing on runway 20. The taxiway at the end of 20 isnt able to handle CRJ's or the Dash-8's that go in there. When UA used to have 737-300 service to ORD, they used to do it as well.

User currently offlineNZCH From New Zealand, joined Jan 2006, 119 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days ago) and read 3994 times:

That has happened to me twice at Glasgow Prestwick in 2002, 2003 on a Ryanair 737-200 we landed and once we had stopped about 3/4 down the runway we just turned around did a 180 and went back up the runway, but we didn't turn off at the first possible exit we carried on until we got to the terminal, very strange and the first time the weather was really bad raining really hard and it was night about 9pm, our flight was delayed by an hour at Stansted.

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User currently offlinePM From Germany, joined Feb 2005, 6868 posts, RR: 63
Reply 15, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days ago) and read 3979 times:

It's commonplace at NBO.

At PNQ (go on - look that one up!) I watched a Jet Airways 737 do a 360 degree turn. I'd have loved to know what was being said between the cockpit and the tower!


User currently offlineTango-Bravo From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 3802 posts, RR: 29
Reply 16, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days ago) and read 3959 times:

Quoting Planemannyc (Reply 10):
A lot of small island airports have no parallel taxiway, so 180 turns are necessary.

KTN (Ketchikan, AK) airport, located on Annette Island, can be added to this list. The only entrance to the runway (uphill from the terminal!) is at the south end, meaning flights landing south to north do a 180 degree turn to taxi back to the terminal, same procedure in reverse for takeoffs north to south.


User currently offlineWingflaps From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2005, 28 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days ago) and read 3919 times:

It's also done at LTN, the jets using the turning circle. I once flew Suckling Airways to AMS on a Dornier 228. The Captain clearly decided the turning circle was too far and spun the plan around in the middle of the main runway, hit the throttles and we were off.

User currently offlineHT From Germany, joined May 2005, 6525 posts, RR: 24
Reply 18, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 3 days ago) and read 3919 times:

Quoting Positiverate (Reply 13):
I believe it is called "back taxiing".

"backtracking"
-HT



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User currently offlineSuperhub From Hong Kong, joined Jan 2006, 478 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 3807 times:

It was done on one of my B6 flights into OAK last year. It was around midnight and they were fixing some of the parallel taxiways. So we landed on Runway 29, turned around so we headed around 110 degrees and taxiied back

User currently offlineFfis34 From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 318 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 3773 times:

hey hey,

yeah so flying ted over the summer we had to come back a day early from SFO because of a hurricane and they were closing TPA that day so TED DEN-TPA about 3 hours delayed we did that exact thing we landed 12:10ish at night give or take 10 minutes, its pretty common, hanging out on top of the parking garage one evening i saw 4 flights in row land and do this procedure, all 1320's and 737's though.

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User currently offlineScbriml From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2003, 12390 posts, RR: 46
Reply 21, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 3687 times:
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MLE in the Maldives doesn't have a taxiway at all! Just a runway and ramp next to the terminal, so every plane that lands there has to run to the end of the runway, do a 180 and taxi back to the ramp. The runway is located on a spit of reclaimed land, so from a distance it looks like the planes are taxying on water! crazy 


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User currently offlineDoug_Or From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 3401 posts, RR: 3
Reply 22, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 3662 times:

Quoting HT (Reply 18):
backtracking

at least in the US the correct term is in fact back-taxi, as in "Piedmont 4441 back-taxi runway 34, exit at alpha, right on charlie to the gate".



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User currently offlineDartland From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 643 posts, RR: 2
Reply 23, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 3647 times:
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I've "back-taxiied" at PHL to take-off on a US 733. I imagine we did it because the taxiways were filled with planes waiting to take-off, so when it was our turn, we used the runway for the last 500ft. of taxiing, then did a 180 and begain our take-off roll.

User currently offlineBond007 From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 5397 posts, RR: 8
Reply 24, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 3635 times:

Quoting AMS5280 (Thread starter):
UA 1478 (with me in it) just landed in TPA, it took a while before the wheels hit the ground and the plane decelerated up to the end of the runway. Then it made a 180 turn on the runway, and taxied back to the nearest entrance to the taxiway. Is this standard procedure? I fly into TPA weekly and haven't landed this way before. It was 11.40pm and not very busy.

The reason why it happened at TPA is that you landed on 18R and the parallel taxiway is closed for construction at the end of that runway. If you cannot land fairly short, then you have to do a 180 and back taxi.


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25 VTNYC : I like that!!! A piroutte before take off!!!! PNQ=Pune, India.
26 Silver1SWA : That was well before my time at SAN. Man, I wish I was at SAN during that time... You still see "back taxis" on the active fairly often at SAN. Depen
27 Post contains images LTU932 : Add SJO to the list. It has a "turnaround area (if that's how it's called)" at the end of the RW 25 displaced threshold area. If RW 25 is active for d
28 Ckfred : I remember back taxiing after landing at YHZ flying on BEX's Saab 340s.
29 Emrecan : On my flight from Bucharest Otopeni to Istanbul by THY 737-800 last summer it happened. Before us an Olympic Airways' 717 entered the runway and take
30 Brokenrecord : It had to be done at BUF for a while last year qhile taxiway work was being done...
31 777STL : I've seen it done at DRW and BNE.
32 SATMFECRPTEXAS : I was on a Continetal DC-9 in 1990 that made a 180 degree turn onto runway 29 before departure from LFT. The taxiway was too small at the end of the r
33 BR715-A1-30 : This actually happened to me twice on AirTran's 717... We had left the apron at GPT before a COEX ERJ, but due to weather in ATL, we had to hold, so w
34 Isitsafenow : I've been through a few of those. Unless there is no turnoff at the end, they are done only when the guy(or girl) in the tower says its ok. safe
35 A300 American : Happens in CUZ as well (turnaround 180 degrees for take off) Cheers
36 Post contains images Bond007 : Boy......I wonder how long it'll take before every airport is listed I think we've proved the point that at least one time, at probably every airport,
37 Captaink : The RNY at GND is 9003ft, and we have weekly, 747, 777 and 767 flights and truly i agree that it is amazing to see these big airplanes at these reall
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