Carpethead From Japan, joined Aug 2004, 2990 posts, RR: 3 Posted (8 years 11 months 4 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 6143 times:
JL will only fly a single daily on the NRT-LHR beginning summer schedule this year.
KIX-LHR will go switch to 772ER from 744.
This is quite a shock since most carriers want as much seats (premium & Y) on flights originating from there.
I wonder if they are going to sell the extra slots to the highest bidder like EK, QR or EY.
SATX From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 2840 posts, RR: 6
Reply 2, posted (8 years 11 months 4 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 6094 times:
Quoting BestWestern (Reply 1): LHR NRT is a dog at present - BA have recently stated that yields on this route are very poor, and they are losing money on the route.
I don't doubt what you're saying, but seeing as how JL appears to be in rather bad shape at the moment I'm guessing that's the main issue with their decision. I've flown JL and JO a few times and I found their in-flight service to be good compared to US airlines. However their recent safety record leaves a lot to be desired, IMO. Hopefully they'll learn from their experience and be more careful in the future.
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FinnWings From Finland, joined Oct 2003, 640 posts, RR: 2
Reply 4, posted (8 years 11 months 4 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 5791 times:
Sounds a very logical solution by JL in my opinion. Considering that JL is entering into OneWorld it is a good solution to reduce capacity between Japan and LHR if there is over capacity. This will benefit JL and BA as both will have a better yields and load factor. You should also remember that Japan-LHR flights goes exactly over Southern-Finland which also makes Helsinki as a convenient transfer airport for AY or BA flights to LHR.
Any info if JL is planning flights to HEL? Finnair is unable to get more slots for NRT and geographically Finland is closer to Japan than any other European country. AY would offer extensive onward connections from Nagoya/Narita/Osaka- Helsinki flights not only to LHR but almost everywhere in Europe.
Behramjee From Canada, joined Aug 2003, 4881 posts, RR: 44
Reply 5, posted (8 years 11 months 4 weeks ago) and read 5735 times:
You have 4 airlines flying daily year round nonstops to NRT from LHR i.e. BA, VS, JL and ANA + many airlines flying one stop via their hubs who also give these 4 airlines a run for their money such as AF-LH-KL-AZ-AY-SK-SQ-TG-CX-MH-KE-OZ-CA.
Since JL would be joining One World, I wouldnt be surprised to see them codesharing and revenue sharing with BA on both airlines's LHR-NRT route similar to the QF-BA arrangement on the LHR-SYD-LHR route.
Jaysit From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (8 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 5564 times:
Quoting SATX (Reply 2): However their recent safety record leaves a lot to be desired, IMO. Hopefully they'll learn from their experience and be more careful in the future.
What's wrong with JL's recent safety record? I thought the last major incident they had was back in 1985, more than 20 years ago.
Quoting Behramjee (Reply 5): You have 4 airlines flying daily year round nonstops to NRT from LHR i.e. BA, VS, JL and ANA + many airlines flying one stop via their hubs who also give these 4 airlines a run for their money such as AF-LH-KL-AZ-AY-SK-SQ-TG-CX-MH-KE-OZ-CA.
I can understand if the Northern European carriers compete with the British and Japanese carriers on this route. But SQ, CX and TG? That would mean adding over 6 hours of flying time plus transit time to an already long flight.
TokyoNarita From Palau, joined Aug 2003, 570 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (8 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 5414 times:
According to Asahi.com, JAL also announced that it plans to reduce 10% of seats being offered in international market due to poor yields on some routes dominated by leisure travelers. Besides the discontinuation of the second daily NRT-LHR, NRT-LAS-LAX-NRT, and KIX-LAX are also listed. JAL plans to reduce NRT-BKK from 3 times a day to twice daily....KIX-Denpasar will be cut to three times a week from daily...JAL also plans to transfer NRT-Jakarta, Ho Chi Minh, Hanoi, and Sydney to its low cost subsidiary JalWays.
N79969 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (8 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 5084 times:
JAL's image has taken a real beating because of the safety lapses. While some of them have been blown out of the proportion by an oversensitized Japanese media, there were several incidents/lapses that were pretty serious. Many Japanese are flocking to ANA which is actually showing profit growth.
I think another big factor is the poorly executed merger with JAS which is still incomplete and has burdened the company with a lot of redundant staff and levels of management.
FinnWings From Finland, joined Oct 2003, 640 posts, RR: 2
Reply 14, posted (8 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 4888 times:
Quoting Scbriml (Reply 10): I can't remember the exact details, but there have indeed been a number of incidents recently which has raised some serious doubts about the airline's leadership and safety standards.
That is correct indeed. JL also gave an announcement a while ago where they stated that safety hasn't been the highest priority recently. This is extremely alarming as safety should always be the most important thing for every airline no matter what is the situation. It is also a very exceptional confession as usually airlines will deny that they have endangered safety even it is obvious.
It is good that JL knows the problem and they are trying to do everything to improve the safety now.
Airbuseric From Netherlands, joined Jan 2005, 4281 posts, RR: 51
Reply 21, posted (8 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 4537 times:
Quoting Lazyshaun (Reply 16): But with all these cut in international traffic, where will the extra a/c go? Thats a lot of 747's and other heavies sitting around.
Intl route cuts, and others go from 744 to 772ER/773ER
means, 744's will get unused now,
JL will convert those to freighters (first to be JA8902 entering service in April/May 06, now conversion at XMN), and JL Cargo older 747-200F's will be retired within a few years time from now.
So the 744's coming available will be converted to freighters, and some will replace the older 747 models (742/743) which are still in active service with JL.
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