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JL Suspends LAS, KIX-LAX; KIX-BNE-SYD Stays  
User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32884 posts, RR: 71
Posted (8 years 7 months 4 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 3788 times:

This was talked about about two weeks ago here when it was first speculated, and now it is official: JAL will suspend all service to Las Vegas (NRT-LAS-LAX-NRT) and thier daily Los Angeles-Osaka service this fall. They have decided against, however, plans to cut their Osaka-Brisbane-Sydney-Osaka service.

PR:
http://www.noticias.info/asp/aspComunicados.asp?nid=143917&src=0

No dates were mentioned in the press release, which also mentions increased service from Tokyo to Vancouver, Chicago, Los Angeles, and Taipei.


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User currently offlineCommavia From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 11711 posts, RR: 62
Reply 1, posted (8 years 7 months 4 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 3779 times:

I think AA could do well on a daily LAX-KIX flight with one of their 777s, but alas, I don't think they can spare the aircraft right now.

User currently offlineBehramjee From Canada, joined Aug 2003, 4793 posts, RR: 43
Reply 2, posted (8 years 7 months 4 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 3644 times:

so now how many JL NRT-BKK nonstops will we be seeing a day compared to before?

also it doesnt mention the specifics related to weekly frequency increaes to YVR-ORD-TPE & LAX.


User currently offlineLaxintl From United States of America, joined May 2000, 25532 posts, RR: 50
Reply 3, posted (8 years 7 months 4 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 3581 times:

Quoting Commavia (Reply 1):
I think AA could do well on a daily LAX-KIX flight with one of their 777s, but alas, I don't think they can spare the aircraft right now.

Considering United, NWA and now JAL have all dropped LAX-KIX at some point, I would say AA would not stand much of a chance in the market considering its weak presence in Asia.

Also dont forget AA has flown to KIX in the past and along with NGO dropped both.



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User currently offlineJacobin777 From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 14968 posts, RR: 60
Reply 4, posted (8 years 7 months 4 weeks ago) and read 3551 times:

Quoting Laxintl (Reply 3):
Also dont forget AA has flown to KIX in the past and along with NGO dropped both.

NGO was dropped because AA lost a big Toyata contract to UA which basically guaranteed them a profit, as the Toyata exec. were flying business class...

because of new routes and 777's needed (not to mention the price of fuel), margins go too slim to take a chance on that route..hence they dropped it

this route would be a perfect 787 route..!



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User currently offlineCommavia From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 11711 posts, RR: 62
Reply 5, posted (8 years 7 months 4 weeks ago) and read 3545 times:

Quoting Laxintl (Reply 3):
Considering United, NWA and now JAL have all dropped LAX-KIX at some point, I would say AA would not stand much of a chance in the market considering its weak presence in Asia.

Everyone said the same thing about AA on JFK-NRT, and they now are arguably one of the strongest competitors on the route, having outlast NW, which was serving the market for fifty years. Everyone also said the same thing about AA on LAX-NRT, that the market was too full with JAL, ANA, UA, KE, TG, RG, etc., and there was no room for weak AA's single daily 777. AA is now doing just fine on the route.

I think the mix of AA's huge LAX feed, coupled with codeshare feed from JAL on the other end of the route and JAL's FF base at both ends would make it work. But, alas, I could be wrong!


User currently offlineLACA773 From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 4027 posts, RR: 2
Reply 6, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 3400 times:
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I would have thought JL would do extremely well to LAS. I guess not. How poorly were their yield/load factors?

Were the yield/load factors on KIX-LAX-KIX performing that poorly? Thought they might just down grade the ac to a 772?

How many more additional flights will LAX get along with YVR, SFO etc., since the article mentioned they will increase flights?

LACA773


User currently offlineETA Unknown From Comoros, joined Jun 2001, 2078 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 3317 times:

There's long been a rumor- and strongly denied- the LVCVA (Las Vegas Convention & Visitors Authority) had "subsidized" JAL's Las Vegas service. Service started in 2002, so perhaps the subsidies were due to come to an end.

User currently offlineCarfield From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 1926 posts, RR: 9
Reply 8, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 3232 times:

Just flew DFW-KIX-DFW this past month, F was full on KIX-DFW, and J was overbooked too.... DFW-KIX on a weekday -- F was half full, and J was almost all full. So I guess if KIX-DFW can somewhat survive, KIX-LAX can work... but I guess the main problem now is the availability of Boeing 777s. The next new 777 will go to SHA... so it won't happen.

Carfield


User currently offline6thfreedom From Bermuda, joined exactly 10 years ago today! , 3329 posts, RR: 20
Reply 9, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 3185 times:

Quoting MAH4546 (Thread starter):
They have decided against, however, plans to cut their Osaka-Brisbane-Sydney-Osaka service.

JAL has only stated that it would not drop BNE/SYD in 2006!

This to me indicates that jetstar International will start operating the sector in 2007, with a JL and QF codeshare.

product will be economy and premium Y.


User currently offline1MillionFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 3157 times:

Quoting LACA773 (Reply 6):
I would have thought JL would do extremely well to LAS. I guess not. How poorly were their yield/load factors?

Macao is a lot closer


User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32884 posts, RR: 71
Reply 11, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 3076 times:

Quoting Carfield (Reply 8):
Just flew DFW-KIX-DFW this past month, F was full on KIX-DFW, and J was overbooked too.... DFW-KIX on a weekday -- F was half full, and J was almost all full. So I guess if KIX-DFW can somewhat survive,

The Dallas-Osaka route has very lucrative cargo contracts that keep the route profitable.

Quoting ETA Unknown (Reply 7):
There's long been a rumor- and strongly denied- the LVCVA (Las Vegas Convention & Visitors Authority) had "subsidized" JAL's Las Vegas service. Service started in 2002, so perhaps the subsidies were due to come to an end.

Service started in October 1998. It was suspended for a few months following 9/11, however.



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User currently offlineDYK From Canada, joined Jul 2004, 407 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 3055 times:

Fantastic! Increased flights to YVR. I was under the impression Vancouver was going the way LAS? Flights are full to Vancouver but understood like everything else to this city it was low yield traffic. They are obviously making money on the route to consider an increase in service?

I am glad MEX was not cut!



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User currently offlineMalaysia From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 3356 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 2996 times:

Quoting Behramjee (Reply 2):
so now how many JL NRT-BKK nonstops will we be seeing a day compared to before?

same as before, that would never be cut, its a money maker for JL, even the KIX-BKK is to stay



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User currently offlineUnited_fan From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 7496 posts, RR: 7
Reply 14, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 2950 times:

One less 747 to vegas,now . This makes VS the only one,who will they codeshare with now on connectings to LAX/SFO ?


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User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32884 posts, RR: 71
Reply 15, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 2914 times:

Quoting DYK (Reply 12):
They are obviously making money on the route to consider an increase in service?

No, not nessecarily. Sometimes a way to improve underperforming routes is by increasing frequency to make it more attractive to business travelers and offering customers in general better options. I'm not saying YVR is losing money for JAL - I have no idea - but just because an airline increases service does not mean they are making money on it, but it usually does mean the route is not bleeding heavily.



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User currently offlineB741 From Canada, joined Jan 2004, 716 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 2746 times:

Will ANA or perhaps AA, UAL carry on this route(LAS)? Hate to see it dumped as LAS needs all the "heavies" it can get.


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User currently offlineUnited_Fan From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 7496 posts, RR: 7
Reply 17, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 2527 times:

I believe it's not possible to fly LAS-NRT with a full load in the summer,is it ?


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User currently offlineEddieDude From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 7587 posts, RR: 43
Reply 18, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 2511 times:

Quoting DYK (Reply 12):
I am glad MEX was not cut!

Agree with you! It remains to be seen, however, if the entrance of JL into oneworld and the launch of AM's supposed MEX-TIJ-NGO do not make JL pull off from MEX.



Next flights: MEX-GRU (AM 77E), GRU-GIG (JJ A320), SDU-CGH (G3 73H), GRU-MEX (JJ A332).
User currently offlineKtachiya From Japan, joined Sep 2004, 1794 posts, RR: 2
Reply 19, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 18 hours ago) and read 2475 times:

The Vancouver service that they are considering makes me wonder.

Because they do JL15/16 over the summer months on Mondays, Thursdays, and Saturdays in order to make Saturday double daily to NRT and Mon and Thur have service to Tokyo since the flight goes to MEX.

I guess this will just be service from Tokyo? I always thought KIX could be a possibility because AC does so well on the route that they fly double daily in the high season and an A343 sometimes.



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User currently offlineCrownvic From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 1921 posts, RR: 5
Reply 20, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 2369 times:

United_Fan...Northwest used to do LAS-NRT nonstop w/ a 742...

User currently offlineUnited_Fan From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 7496 posts, RR: 7
Reply 21, posted (8 years 7 months 3 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 2267 times:

CrownVic,I thought it was via LAX,too .


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