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Cockpit Jump Seat Rides Still Allowed In Europe?  
User currently offlineRamerinianAir From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 1486 posts, RR: 0
Posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 5561 times:

I am traveling to Europe for pleasure this summer. I have some pretty cool routings within Europe. I will be on almost all the European SkyTeam carriers this summer and I wanted to know if any of them will allow me to ride in the cockpit jumpseat?
I know DL, CO, and NW won't but, will KL, AF, AZ or OK let me in?
Thanks!
Stephan


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User currently offlineSpeedbirdcrew From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 5547 times:

I very much doubt it, I know at my airline you need to be flying staff or fit certain other criteria to be able to do it.

My advice would be to take a flying lesson then you will get to go in the flight deck - of a smaller plane mind!  Wink


User currently offlineAirbazar From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 8384 posts, RR: 10
Reply 2, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 5520 times:

Yes they are still allowed however if you don't know anyone the most you can hope for is a cockpit visit. Different airlines though, have different policies. Your best bet is with the smaller regional carriers. In fact, a lot of times they don't even close the cockpit door so if you're sitting in 1st row it's almost like riding jumpseat  Smile

User currently offlineCrosswind From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2000, 2598 posts, RR: 58
Reply 3, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 5489 times:
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Quoting Airbazar (Reply 2):
Yes they are still allowed however if you don't know anyone the most you can hope for is a cockpit visit.

Actually in most contries they are no longer permitted except in a very limited set of circumstances, which would never allow passengers onto the flightdeck.

In the UK the rule is basically company employees on duty travel only, plus CAA staff in the course of their duties. Passengers, off duty company employees and employees of other airlines on duty travel are no longer allowed flightdeck access.

Regards
CROSSWIND


User currently offlineDeltaGuy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 5441 times:

Not like this helps you in your Europe case, but I've never had a problem flying jumpseat on AeroMexico...those senor's in the cockpit have always been welcoming and enjoyed having some company up there for a change. So, if you're going down to Mexico, or just really want a jumpseat ride, book a trip with them.

Hint, bring some cigarettes...you'd be amazed, most every Mexican pilot I know smokes in the cockpit...technically it's allowed by their laws, so it's not uncommon for the Capt and FO to kill a pack on a 4 hr trip.

DeltaGuy


User currently offlineLN-KGL From Norway, joined Sep 1999, 1039 posts, RR: 4
Reply 5, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days ago) and read 5388 times:

My experience is - presuming the country's law allowed non-pilot/outsider visits to the flight deck - first you need airline contacts (the best contacts are connected to operations/management or even pilots/captains can do) and secondly the captain on the flight like getting visits to the flight deck (the captain has the final word on all visits). There are a couple more things you can do, but they are business secrets.  Wink

The result can be like this:
http://www.plane-spotter.com/Jpegs/OSL-TRD-OSL/SK4152/15-32-40.jpg

The full report from the flight can be seen here

Kurt


User currently offlineCricri From France, joined Oct 1999, 581 posts, RR: 7
Reply 6, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days ago) and read 5384 times:

at captain's discretion, but still common on AF network, just a friendly ask at the chief purser should make it ; just introduce yourself as an aviation enthusiast.

User currently offlineBirdwatching From Germany, joined Sep 2003, 3822 posts, RR: 51
Reply 7, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days ago) and read 5384 times:

"Ningun Problema" in Ecuador!



Soren  santahat 



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User currently offlineMozart From Luxembourg, joined Aug 2003, 2182 posts, RR: 13
Reply 8, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days ago) and read 5384 times:

Air France allows it, I've been invited several times.

Swiss as well, but that's not SkyTeam.

Lufthansa does not allow it, but not SkyTeam either.

Others I don't know/haven't tried.

Good luck!


User currently offlineAvro85 From Belgium, joined Jun 2005, 236 posts, RR: 2
Reply 9, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 6 days ago) and read 5363 times:

KL doesn't allow it.

AF allows it.

Have fun with your trip

[Edited 2006-02-06 22:41:43]

User currently offlineAirportmanager From Ecuador, joined Mar 2001, 558 posts, RR: 2
Reply 10, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 5303 times:

Quoting Birdwatching (Reply 7):
"Ningun Problema" in Ecuador!
Soren   

Hmm, itnresting, was that TAME F28 or Icaro? You still around here Soren?

And yeah, iNE urope Ive jumpseated two times in LH A340-300 on ym way to CCS. And in Ecuador, ive lost count.


User currently offlineKaiGywer From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 12251 posts, RR: 35
Reply 11, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 5289 times:
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Quoting Avro85 (Reply 9):
KL doesn't allow it.

Unless you are on a CityHopper flight.



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User currently offlineUSAFHummer From United States of America, joined May 2000, 10685 posts, RR: 53
Reply 12, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 5255 times:

Quoting DeltaGuy (Reply 4):
AeroMexico...those senor's in the cockpit have always been welcoming and enjoyed having some company up there for a change. So, if you're going down to Mexico, or just really want a jumpseat ride, book a trip with them.

Needless to say, I was turned down for an in-flight cockpit visit when I flew AM on a Mexican domestic flight about a year and a half ago...

Anyone know if LOT or OS allows it?

Greg



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User currently offlineJRadier From Netherlands, joined Sep 2004, 4698 posts, RR: 50
Reply 13, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 5252 times:

Quoting Avro85 (Reply 9):
KL doesn't allow it.

I've jumpseated on KL, after 9/11...... no contacts, no nothing, asked a question and got invited.



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User currently offlineRamerinianAir From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 1486 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 5195 times:

Cool! I doubt that on my AF JFK-CDG flight I will be able to sit in the cock-pit. I want to know if they will let me sit in there for a CDG-ATH, FCO-CDG? How do you go about this? I am a private pilot but, I feel like it would seem akward - especially if you get turned down.
Steven



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User currently offlineOHLHD From Finland, joined Dec 2004, 3962 posts, RR: 25
Reply 15, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 5150 times:

Quoting USAFHummer (Reply 12):
OS allows it?

AFAIK you have to know at least a FO or a Captain, with whom you are flying on the flight itself.


User currently offlineKaneporta1 From Greece, joined May 2005, 740 posts, RR: 12
Reply 16, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 5140 times:

OA will let people occupy the jumpseat but the captain always has the final word.


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User currently offlineOHLBU From Finland, joined Jan 2005, 226 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 5130 times:

Quoting Mozart (Reply 8):
Lufthansa does not allow it, but not SkyTeam either

A colleague of mine just came from LIS to FRA on LH's A300 and was assigned the cockpit jumpseat, along with a BA employee. They were traveling with sby-tickets and the cabin was full to the last seat.

Finnair still allows jumpseat travel in cockpit and cabin, but generally for AY employees only, providing there are no empty passenger seats left in the cabin.


User currently offlineLospaziale From Italy, joined Sep 2005, 37 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 5077 times:

Last year I had a wonderful jump-seat landing in Spain with Spanair MD-80...
Just asking the crew saying that I'm a student of aeronautical engineering...

[Edited 2006-02-07 10:56:11]


lo spaziale
User currently offlineKLMCedric From Belgium, joined Dec 2003, 812 posts, RR: 22
Reply 19, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 5059 times:

KLM allows it, but it's at captain's discretion. He has cockpit permits wich he
can distribute to anyone he sees fit. Basically that means you have to know
someone from the crew, but who knows on a certain day if you have the
coolest purser and captain working the same flight, you might get lucky!
Just ask it, you've nothing to lose!!


User currently offlinePH-TVH From Netherlands, joined May 2001, 115 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 5011 times:

Quoting KLMCedric (Reply 19):
KLM allows it, but it's at captain's discretion. He has cockpit permits wich he
can distribute to anyone he sees fit. Basically that means you have to know
someone from the crew, but who knows on a certain day if you have the
coolest purser and captain working the same flight, you might get lucky!
Just ask it, you've nothing to lose!!

hmm never seen the "cockpit permit"....
But indeed you can always ask. I know some captains will allow you, but you have to be lucky (it`s always gamble for the captain because he is responsible) With KLM it was never a problem for me (dad flying for HV, me on the KLM Flight Academy) You have a bigger chance when you are related to an airline or if you are also in the bussines.

And what exacly do you mean by jumpseat?
Just a few minutes behind the captain during cruise?
For me it only counts from T/O till landing  Wink


User currently offlineSabena332 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 4926 times:

Quoting JRadier (Reply 13):
I've jumpseated on KL, after 9/11...... no contacts, no nothing, asked a question and got invited.

Today I saw some guy on the jumpseat on my KLM flight, I don't know if he was KLM employee or just some passenger who asked.

Patrick


User currently offlineUSAFHummer From United States of America, joined May 2000, 10685 posts, RR: 53
Reply 22, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 4775 times:

Quoting OHLHD (Reply 15):

AFAIK you have to know at least a FO or a Captain, with whom you are flying on the flight itself.

Dang...anyone here at OS want to vouch for me?  Wink (just kidding!)

Greg



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