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LH Axes SCL And Downgrades GRU  
User currently offlineHardiwv From Brazil, joined Oct 2004, 8780 posts, RR: 50
Posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 6703 times:

LH Corporate Sales Director confirmed today that LH will suspend LH FRA-GRU-SCL A346 daily as of May/2006.

LH FRA-GRU-EZE B747 will remain, as well as LH codeshare with RG on GRU-FRA B777 daily, GIG-FRA B777/MD-11 daily and GRU-MUC MD-11 3 x week.

It is expected that LX will extend its GRU flight operating as of May/2006 ZRH-GRU-SCL A343, so as to guarantee that the Chilean market remains in the network of LH/LX.

Very strange move exactly before the World Cup.

Any views?

Rgs,

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User currently offlineSabena332 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 6684 times:

Quoting Hardiwv (Thread starter):
It is expected that LX will extend its GRU flight operating as of May/2006 ZRH-GRU-SCL A343

Why don't they simply codeshare with RG instead of letting a LX 343 fly the GRU-SCL route?

Patrick


User currently offlinePPVRA From Brazil, joined Nov 2004, 8874 posts, RR: 40
Reply 2, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 6655 times:

The info I have is that the suspension is temporary... 8 months, then all will be back. Now I'm not sure if that applies to SCL aswell?

Also, the MUC flights have been packed as per my source (panrotas), and LH mentioned the possibilities of extra flights during the World Cup.

Cheers



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User currently offlineAvianca From Venezuela, joined Jan 2005, 5900 posts, RR: 40
Reply 3, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 6557 times:

its a shame that LH cuts SCL....

LA will be happy!

regards
Avianca



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User currently offlineHardiwv From Brazil, joined Oct 2004, 8780 posts, RR: 50
Reply 4, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 6551 times:

Quoting Avianca (Reply 3):
LA will be happy!

AF as well...they will start CDG-SCL NONSTOP!!!!

Rgs,


User currently offlineAvianca From Venezuela, joined Jan 2005, 5900 posts, RR: 40
Reply 5, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 6534 times:

Quoting Hardiwv (Reply 4):
AF as well...they will start CDG-SCL NONSTOP!!!!

they are running SCL since months on some days of the week nonstop ( I think 4 x weekly)



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User currently offlineFlying Belgian From Belgium, joined Jun 2001, 2389 posts, RR: 9
Reply 6, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 6507 times:
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Indeed all benefits for AF and LAN !!

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User currently offlineAvianca From Venezuela, joined Jan 2005, 5900 posts, RR: 40
Reply 7, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 6507 times:

is there any official source? because LH ist still selling the flight (in July) for exmaple...


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User currently offlineS.p.a.s. From Liechtenstein, joined Mar 2001, 962 posts, RR: 2
Reply 8, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 6477 times:

The info I have from a LH source is that the flight to SCL will be operated by Swiss, routing ZRH-GRU-SCL-GRU-ZRH, or at least this is the most possible thing to happen.

It is also important to notice that, according the same source, the SCL flight is not very profitable to LH and this was/is the main reason for them leaving the route with the summer timetable.

Cheers

RS



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User currently offlineAvianca From Venezuela, joined Jan 2005, 5900 posts, RR: 40
Reply 9, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 6457 times:

Quoting S.p.a.s. (Reply 8):
The info I have from a LH source is that the flight to SCL will be operated by Swiss, routing ZRH-GRU-SCL-GRU-ZRH, or at least this is the most possible thing to happen.

It is also important to notice that, according the same source, the SCL flight is not very profitable to LH and this was/is the main reason for them leaving the route with the summer timetable.

as posted above LH is still selling SCL for the summer timetable with the same flight number than always LH526/LH527



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User currently offlinePanamair From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 4792 posts, RR: 25
Reply 10, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 6410 times:
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If the rumor about LX taking over is true, why does anyone think that LX would be able to perform better in SCL than LH previously did? It's not like the market between Chile and Switzerland is booming...Does LX have lower costs than LH?

User currently offlineAvianca From Venezuela, joined Jan 2005, 5900 posts, RR: 40
Reply 11, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 6383 times:

Quoting Panamair (Reply 10):
If the rumor about LX taking over is true, why does anyone think that LX would be able to perform better in SCL than LH previously did? It's not like the market between Chile and Switzerland is booming...Does LX have lower costs than LH?

very good question!!!! better to say for LX it would be even more difficult to fill the flights (at least from SCL) as Swiss is not as good known in Chile than LH.

regards
Avianca



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User currently offlineThomas_Jaeger From Switzerland, joined Apr 2002, 2358 posts, RR: 28
Reply 12, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 6313 times:

There is not necessarily a big market between Switzerland and Chile but if the aircraft is sitting on the ground in GRU anyway, it makes it worthwhile. It will allow them to switch passenger in GRU from FRA/MUC/ZRH to EZE/SCL.


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User currently offlineHardiwv From Brazil, joined Oct 2004, 8780 posts, RR: 50
Reply 13, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 6241 times:

Quoting Panamair (Reply 10):
If the rumor about LX taking over is true, why does anyone think that LX would be able to perform better in SCL than LH previously did? It's not like the market between Chile and Switzerland is booming...Does LX have lower costs than LH?

As explained in 12 above. You remove a whole A346 of the route, this is a major capacity cut, not only for SCL but for GRU as well!

Quoting Avianca (Reply 9):
LH is still selling SCL for the summer timetable with the same flight number than always LH526/LH527

This was breaking news. You can expect their reservation system to be updated very soon, they are still working out how to tackle the GRU-SCL segment (whether LX operated - most likely- or RG codeshare).

Rgs,


User currently offlineSlider From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 6661 posts, RR: 35
Reply 14, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 6227 times:

SCL is a difficult market, to be honest, and that tag flight just might not have had the oomph necessary to sustain it for LH.

User currently offlineS.P.A.S. From Liechtenstein, joined Mar 2001, 962 posts, RR: 2
Reply 15, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 6100 times:

Hardiwv,

What is most intriguing is that, according my source, LH might operate the GRU-SCL-GRU flight with LH flight number and crew, but using the LX A340 as equipment. This is was/is at least one of the possibilities seen by LH South America.

Cheers

RS



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User currently offlineA342 From Germany, joined Jul 2005, 4675 posts, RR: 3
Reply 16, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 5926 times:

Quoting PPVRA (Reply 2):
Also, the MUC flights have been packed as per my source (panrotas), and LH mentioned the possibilities of extra flights during the World Cup.

Do you happen to mean RG´s GRU-MUC flights ? LH currently doesn´t fly MUC-South America.



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User currently offlineMason From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 748 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 5863 times:

Great! Now they can use the A346 for FRA-SEA. Seriously, it's only a matter of time. BA is even sending 10 or 11X weekly 744 LHR-SEA this summer! Someone wised up! Getting back to the point, sad for SCL. I remember when LH flew 744s into SCL. Any news on KL coming back? Mabye an extension on their new AMS-LIM flight? Or too much capacity already on LIM-SCL? Just thoughts.

User currently offlineLipeGIG From Brazil, joined May 2005, 11365 posts, RR: 59
Reply 18, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 5854 times:
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Quoting Hardiwv (Thread starter):

A shame for South America. LH joins BA with only one daily flight to the entire continent while they upgrade more and more Asia. Funny that they decided to run (or increase) a route, so they will drop a flight to provide the necessary planes.

Bad news for Brazil-Germany also and as posted above the winners are LA, RG and AF. RG will be top winner, the king of South America-Germany flights with 17 weekly non stop flights.

Quoting S.P.A.S. (Reply 15):
What is most intriguing is that, according my source, LH might operate the GRU-SCL-GRU flight with LH flight number and crew, but using the LX A340 as equipment. This is was/is at least one of the possibilities seen by LH South America.

I can't understand why not c/s Varig RG8720/8721 flight GRU-SCL-GRU-GIG.
This flight provide connections to both FRA flights (8740 GRU, 8744 GIG) and MUC.

Felipe



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User currently offlineAvianca From Venezuela, joined Jan 2005, 5900 posts, RR: 40
Reply 19, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 5820 times:

Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 18):
LH joins BA with only one daily flight to the entire continent while they upgrade more and more Asia

dont forget the 5xweekly FRA-CCS run, if LH will really close SCL

we will see daily FRA-GRU-EZE, and 5xweekly FRA-CCS

really a shame.... good days are gone when LH served the complete continent



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User currently offlineHardiwv From Brazil, joined Oct 2004, 8780 posts, RR: 50
Reply 20, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 5791 times:

Quoting S.P.A.S. (Reply 15):
What is most intriguing is that, according my source, LH might operate the GRU-SCL-GRU flight with LH flight number and crew, but using the LX A340 as equipment. This is was/is at least one of the possibilities seen by LH South America.

Correct. I have the same information. They would keep LH crew in GRU to run LX GRU-SCL. This mainly because sources mention that the LH A346 cut is only temporary, and would most likely come back to the network by the end of the year or when aircraft becomes available.

I also got rumours that the change involves LX increasing flights to GRU to daily operations; so we could expect LX to cut on some other routes.

One has to understand that LH and LX would have, some day, to start adjusting their netwok and schedule, but the cut of the A346 was indeed a big surprise.

Quoting Mason (Reply 17):
Great! Now they can use the A346 for FRA-SEA.

No! LH will use the aircraft to increase capacity in Asia.

Quoting Mason (Reply 17):
Any news on KL coming back? Mabye an extension on their new AMS-LIM flight?

KL will not extend LIM, which can keep a nonstop flight alone (as KL will probably do very soon). SCL is AF market and in the future we could see AFF operating SCL nonstop daily.

Quoting LipeGIG (Reply 18):
RG will be top winner, the king of South America-Germany flights with 17 weekly non stop flights.

Correct. And note that FRA-GRU and FRA-GIG are RG's top routes in profitability.

Rgs,


User currently offlineLipeGIG From Brazil, joined May 2005, 11365 posts, RR: 59
Reply 21, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 5753 times:
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Quoting Avianca (Reply 19):
dont forget the 5xweekly FRA-CCS run, if LH will really close SCL

I forget about this one, thanks for remember me Avianca.

Felipe



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User currently onlineKiwiandrew From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 8488 posts, RR: 14
Reply 22, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 5714 times:
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Quoting Hardiwv (Reply 20):
but the cut of the A346 was indeed a big surprise.

not really a surprise I would have thought , it is a large a/c to run nearly empty ( some of the previous threads have been quoting loads of 50-80 pax on the GRU-SCL leg ) and the rumours have been around for quite a while that it would be pulled



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User currently offlineHardiwv From Brazil, joined Oct 2004, 8780 posts, RR: 50
Reply 23, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 5623 times:

Quoting Kiwiandrew (Reply 22):
not really a surprise I would have thought , it is a large a/c to run nearly empty ( some of the previous threads have been quoting loads of 50-80 pax on the GRU-SCL leg ) and the rumours have been around for quite a while that it would be pulled

But loads on the FRA-GRU run were always very high, about 80 to 90%, so the surprise was more on the cut of the aircraft to GRU, since LH will now only operate one daily B747 to GRU (and sharing capacity of EZE)...detail: during World Cup. For me, a huge surprise.

In addition, the B747 has the old seats on business class, which will damage LH image in a very competitive market such as GRU. I dont know how wa LX performance on GRU, and whether LX will indeed increase its flights from 5 to daily, which could alleviate the cut in capacity.

Rgs,


User currently offlineLipeGIG From Brazil, joined May 2005, 11365 posts, RR: 59
Reply 24, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 5531 times:
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Quoting Hardiwv (Reply 23):
In addition, the B747 has the old seats on business class, which will damage LH image in a very competitive market such as GRU. I dont know how wa LX performance on GRU, and whether LX will indeed increase its flights from 5 to daily, which could alleviate the cut in capacity.

Around 200 daily pax Hardi, not so strong as LH flights. For me RG will be the big winner, improving more the yields on both FRA as well as MUC flights.

Felipe



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25 Post contains images Arcano : Lufthansa in Chile has a legacy of its own, as you can see here when they landed at Los Cerrillos Airport: And so will IB All I can think is that the
26 Hardiwv : Some more information: LX will indeed operate GRU-SCL with the A340 and the schedule will be adjusted so that SCL pax have the option to connect with
27 Kiwiandrew : DOH! that will teach more for only skim reading ... I thought that it was just the GRU-SCL 'tag' flight that was being axed ... my apologies , In fut
28 123 : In the past LH also flew into SCL: FRA-JFK-LIM-LPB-SCL with 707 and later, with DC-10.
29 Hardiwv : Did LX ever serve SCL? Tks,
30 Lan_Fanatic : Even though the service will just be downgraded from a LH A346 to a LX A343, I feel pretty sad about not seeing Lufthansa's tail at my home airport an
31 Lamedianaranja : And will KL continue GRU? I've heard some rumours to the contrary... it seems big daddy AF wants that corner of the market for itself.
32 Post contains images LH526 : I'm booked on LH526/527 in mach / april and it surely will be a farewell flight for me! As you can see in my username I have a sentimental feeling wit
33 LH526 : Is it fact that LH527 will be axed as of May 2006? Not allreday in macrhc with change to Summer timetable? Mario LH526j
34 Hardiwv : I dont think there is any chance KL will axe GRU. In fact last year they upgraded GRU from 5 weekly to daily B777. GRU was also one of KL launching d
35 Post contains images TR763 : Ok, so LH will have in only one 747 flight, pax from EZE + GRU + SCL! I can feel that many people will be affected, in a way that they will not be ab
36 Post contains links and images Hardiwv : Correct, and here is a photo of LX MD-11 in SCL in 2001...so not so long ago! View Large View MediumPhoto © Christian Schmitt What an irony! Rgs
37 Avianca : well the title of the treat is not correct, as LH will not axe SCL, they will just downgrade the flight from A346 to A343, only GRU will loose a dail
38 BOAC911 : You can debate the title of course, but either way, Lufthansa will not be operating with its "own" metal, but rather an aircraft in Swiss colors, and
39 Post contains images 123 : Thanks to your good comment, maybe Ryanair will take over GRU/SCL
40 S.p.a.s. : Swiss did not operate to SCL. Swissair did. Two times per week flight number was SR148/149 (IIRC) and routing was ZRH-GRU-SCL-GRU-ZRH Cheers RS
41 SOUTHAMERICA : MEX will continue to hanlde a dual AF-KL operation as well, and, together with GRU, they will be the only stations in continental Latin America with
42 Hardiwv : Correct. Anyone with the breakdown of AF/KL flights to MEX? Tks for the accurate information. Please read all the posts. Rgs,
43 Avianca : I did it, so SCL will only see a different colorsheme, Swiss than Lufthansa and a smaller aircraft or?
44 LipeGIG : I don't have info on this, but i can bring to you fresh numbers on SCL-GRU flights of yesterday. Flight.....Origin..Arrived...Reg.........Pax..... (P
45 Mike1974 : If im correct, AF at the moment has 11 weekly flights to MEX (a daily 772, and 4x more with 744). AF has announced it will go to 2 daily flights this
46 HB-IWC : After using a LAN-codeshare via EZE for many year, Swissair reopended SCL direct flights in December of 1999. Flight numbers were indeed SR148/149 bu
47 Fyano773 : Yes, I think you are right; besides AF Cargo has 6 or 7 weekly flights with 744F... Fyano
48 Hardiwv : Felipe: Tks again for your work bringing up the numbers for yesterday's flights GRU-SCL. But I thought LA had twice daily flights, correct? So there i
49 LipeGIG : Right, one is missing, but i couldn't get the info for this specific flight as my source was not available at time the flight info was placed on Infr
50 Arcano : That codeshare,AFAIK, started first with Ladeco (UC), the flight had actually a swissair pin in every seat. But also, more demand for LAN in SCL-FRA
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