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FR Given Six Weeks To Change Rules  
User currently offlineKaiGywer From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 12284 posts, RR: 35
Posted (8 years 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 4230 times:
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FR could be fined 500,000 NOK (appr 74,000 USD/43,000 GBP) in a Norwegian consumer court. Unless they change their requirements and rules within six weeks, they will be fined. The Better Business Bureau of Norway has claimed for several years that FR have unreasonable rules and now they got the courts on their side. FR has been given six weeks to change their rules regarding broken luggage compensation, backpay of fees, name change fees, and compensation in case of delays. FR needs to change three of the four, and can only keep the fee in case of name changes. FR can either accept the ruling and make necessary changes, or take it to a higher court.

Source (in Norwegian): Sandefjords Blad


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User currently offlineAJO From Netherlands, joined Jan 2005, 577 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (8 years 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 4118 times:

Or they could just stop flying to Norway... Just like what happened with (correct me if I'm wrong) NQY: if they don't like the rules (i.e. fees), they just cut some flights, to put pressure on the authorities.


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User currently offlineAPFPilot1985 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (8 years 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 4026 times:

Quoting AJO (Reply 1):
Or they could just stop flying to Norway..

that is exactly what I would do.


User currently offlineKaiGywer From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 12284 posts, RR: 35
Reply 3, posted (8 years 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 3976 times:
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Quoting AJO (Reply 1):
Or they could just stop flying to Norway

No big loss there. With DY having just as cheap prices, you can fly them and not have to pay for your bags, having reclining seats and window shades, and more connections within Norway (OSL vs. TRF).



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User currently offlineANother From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (8 years 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 3954 times:

Quoting KaiGywer (Thread starter):
and compensation in case of delays.



Quoting AJO (Reply 1):
Or they could just stop flying to Norway...

They will have to stop flying everywhere, as these rules apply to all EU airlines. (Compensation in case of delays is not cash compensation, it is 'care' compensation - meals, telephone calls, e-mails and hotels if necessary)

I'm not saying the rules are appropriate, but the ECJ ruled recently that they are legal.


User currently offlineIRelayer From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 1073 posts, RR: 2
Reply 5, posted (8 years 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 3865 times:

Quoting ANother (Reply 4):
They will have to stop flying everywhere, as these rules apply to all EU airlines. (Compensation in case of delays is not cash compensation, it is 'care' compensation - meals, telephone calls, e-mails and hotels if necessary)

Norway is not part of the EU, just to be clear. I don't know the specifics of this case but if it is a Norweigan court that is demanding these things FR can just stop flying to Norway (if that is what you were referring to).

-IR


User currently offlineAPFPilot1985 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (8 years 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 3823 times:

Quoting KaiGywer (Reply 3):
With DY having just as cheap prices,

DY?


User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26815 posts, RR: 75
Reply 7, posted (8 years 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 3714 times:

Quoting IRelayer (Reply 5):
Norway is not part of the EU, just to be clear. I don't know the specifics of this case but if it is a Norweigan court that is demanding these things FR can just stop flying to Norway (if that is what you were referring to).

Given that Norway operates under the EU open skies terms, I am betting their air policy mirrors the EU in this regard.



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User currently offlineLH459 From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 886 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (8 years 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 3652 times:

Quoting APFPilot1985 (Reply 6):
DY

That's Norwegian Air Shuttle, but apparently the code previously belonged to Air Djibouti.



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User currently offlineDavid L From United Kingdom, joined May 1999, 9545 posts, RR: 42
Reply 9, posted (8 years 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 3652 times:

Quoting APFPilot1985 (Reply 6):
DY?

That's what I was thinking! I guess it's not Air Djibouti, as per the mouse-over.  biggrin 


User currently offlineKaiGywer From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 12284 posts, RR: 35
Reply 10, posted (8 years 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 3494 times:
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Quoting IRelayer (Reply 5):
Norway is not part of the EU, just to be clear.

But part of the EEC. EU + Norway, Switzerland, and Iceland. European Economic Commission. Gives us the right to live and work anywhere in the EU, just like an EU national.

Quoting APFPilot1985 (Reply 6):
DY?

Haha. You had me thinking there for a sec. Wondering if I messed up..  Wink



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User currently offlineVV701 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2005, 7742 posts, RR: 17
Reply 11, posted (8 years 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 3377 times:

Quoting IRelayer (Reply 5):
Norway is not part of the EU, just to be clear. I don't know the specifics of this case but if it is a Norweigan court that is demanding these things FR can just stop flying to Norway (if that is what you were referring to).

Both Norway and Iceland are members (with the 25 EU countries) of the European Common Aviation Area (ECAA). In 2006 it is expected that an agreement will be reached to add eight Balkan countries, namely Albania, Bosnia, Bulgaria, Croatia, Kosovo, Macedonia, Romania and Serbia, to the ECAA.


User currently offlineANother From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (8 years 10 months 3 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 3191 times:

Quoting VV701 (Reply 11):
Both Norway and Iceland are members (with the 25 EU countries) of the European Common Aviation Area (ECAA).

Actually it's a little more complicated than that.

EU = 25 Member states.
EEA (European Economic Area) = EU25 + Iceland, Norway, Leichtenstien
Switzerland has bilateral accords which extend some EU regulations to Switzerland.

Regulation 261 governing compensation for Denied boarding, long delays and cancellations apply to the EEA and Switzerland. Member States are required to put this regulation into local law, so Norway has either already done so, or will do so soon. Switzerland was sitting it out awaiting ECJ ruling and will now but the wheels in motion to have it enacted into Swiss law. The way things work here that won't take more than 10-15 years, unless somebody calls for a referendum on the matter which will add another 5-10 years.


User currently offlineYukonTrader From Switzerland, joined May 2005, 207 posts, RR: 6
Reply 13, posted (8 years 10 months 3 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 2305 times:

Quoting KaiGywer (Reply 10):
But part of the EEC. EU + Norway, Switzerland, and Iceland. European Economic Commission. Gives us the right to live and work anywhere in the EU, just like an EU national.

Sorry KaiGywer, I've to put some details right for the record, European integration can be a mine-field  Wink

The EC Commission is a body within the EU, losely you could call it the EU's administration. What you probably ment is the EEA (European Economic Area): Formed in 1994 as extensive association treaty between the 12 EU Member States of the time and the 6 EEA Member States Austria, Finland, Iceland, Liechtenstein, Norway and Sweden. Switzerland also negotiated to be part of the EEA as 7th member, but at the end of this process, the Swiss Constitution required that a public referendum was held on the accession documents. In that referendum, a 50.3% majority of voters opted against Switzerland joining the EEA. This decision of the Swiss public left us out of the club, and - at least in the opinion of some people - it contributed to some economic hardships (Swissair being denied the status of an EEA carrier, just to name one).

Austria, Finland and Sweden have since become full EU Member States, Iceland, Liechtenstein and Norway have remainded EEA Members, Switzerland has sought an approximation with the EU by selective bilateral agreements...

Thus, for the time being, Switzerland is only a member to the European Charter of Human Rights (ECHR) and to the European Free Trade Association (EFTA).

Hope you don't mind me sorting some of the facts out...

Cheers, Lukas


User currently offlineHBDAN From Switzerland, joined Jan 2006, 661 posts, RR: 4
Reply 14, posted (8 years 10 months 3 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 2285 times:

However, FR will ignore the fine. They had so many fines because of their business strategy that for 74'000$, I don't think they will care! Then there is to say that if FR complies for this decision, the court has to meet again and bla bla... ending that in two years the situation is still like today!

Regards,

HBDAN



Next flight: hopefully soon...
User currently offlineKaiGywer From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 12284 posts, RR: 35
Reply 15, posted (8 years 10 months 3 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 2201 times:
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Quoting YukonTrader (Reply 13):
Hope you don't mind me sorting some of the facts out...

Not at all. Thanks for clarifying. I've lived here in the US for over three years now, so forgot some of the details  Wink



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