ChrisNH From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 1, posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 3447 times:
Usually they put a suffix at the end of a flight number when there's another similarly-numbered flight near where the plane took off, or where it's landing. At least that's what I **think** is the case.
BA does this with one of their Boston flights, 251G I believe. Anyway, seems to be a pretty awkward way of distinguishing between two Flight 47s, that's for sure. Especially when the whole flight is designated this way & the duration of the ATC overlap between dueling Flight 47s is probably a scant few minutes. Enough to re-number the whole BA flight? Seems hardly reasonable to me.
Star_world From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 3, posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 3385 times:
It's quite common on a lot of European airlines. BA do it on all of their domestic ("Shuttle") routes, also BD, LH, and others. As stated above, it's to stop confusion between similar numeric callsigns.
Wagz From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 5, posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 3335 times:
BA has been doing this on the second daily flight in to PHL as well. Flight is BA 69, but starting a few months ago the callsign has been "Speedbird 69 Victor". All flight tracking sites also show it as British Airways 69V. Its a daily thing, and the letter on the end is always V. Our afternoon flight remains just plain old "Speedbird 67".
Tribird1011 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 6, posted (7 years 3 months 2 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 3327 times:
If I'm not mistaken Speedbird 47Charlie is BA 098 which departs at around 2100 or so (2055??) If you listen earlier in the day (around 1815) you will hear Speedbird 9Mike which is BA 092.
Why do they do this?? who knows. I know there is no conflict in Toronto over which BA is arriving/departing/transiting, However there may be a conflict over similar flight numbers when arriving in LHR, so instead of modifying the call sign upon arrival, they modify it for the whole flight.
On another note, both flights arrive with the "normal" callsign
BA093 arrives as BA093 ==> BA 092 leaves as Speedbird 9M
BA099 arrives as BA099 ==> BA098 leaves as Speedbird 47C
Star_world From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 12, posted (7 years 3 months 1 week 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 2191 times:
Quoting Wjcandee (Reply 10): Exactly. "Speedbird Concorde 193" was one of the morning departures from London.
Not correct - all of the regularl scheduled BA Concorde flights were in in the 1-4 range.
Quoting David T (Reply 4): But why abbreviate over Toronto of all places? There are only so many BA aircraft to worry about let alone all the Air Canada company and whomever else.
As Tribird1011 mentions above, this may well be due to similar callsigns at the other end of the journey. If there were similar BA flights arriving / departing LHR at the same time as this flight, it could cause some confusion. Rather than be in this situation every day they may rename one of the callsigns slightly to simplify things.
Swacle From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 13, posted (7 years 3 months 1 week 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 2135 times:
OPNLguy may be able to elaborate on this, but here at WN we will sometimes change the original flight number ("snub" it) to avoid ATC conflict. Ex. flight 417 CLE-LAS may go out as "WN 7417" if, say, CO 417 or 471 is leaving at the same time going CLE-IAH...
Wjcandee From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 16, posted (7 years 3 months 1 week 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 1888 times:
Quoting Star_world (Reply 12): Not correct - all of the regularl scheduled BA Concorde flights were in in the 1-4 range.
During the entirety of their service? I have a tape from American television reporting on a regularly scheduled Concorde flight wherein the aircraft crew constantly converses with ATC as "Speedbird Concorde 193". I believe that Brian Calvert also refers to this flight number in his book, although if I didn't have the tape I would have assumed that this was a number made up for the book.
Wjcandee From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 18, posted (7 years 3 months 1 week 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 1660 times:
Thanks, Standby87. Saves me from having to rummage around for that videotape, which I probably would have done tonight just to prove to *myself* that I wasn't losing my mind. One other thing that I recall from that tape was the very reserved yet obviously proud intonation in the voice of the BA crew as they announced themselves, "Schpeed'-buhd Con'-cawd One-Nine-Three" as if everyone were awaiting their next transmission, as they were the most important plane in the sky. Kind of like what people say about Bill Clinton when he shakes your hand, firm grip, looking you right in the eye and giving you a little pat on the elbow: that he conveys that he understands how exciting it is for you to meet him, and simultaneously that he knows that you know how exciting it must be to BE him. I'm sure those pilots felt the same way on every flight. (Meaning that they had to know that as exciting as it was for passengers to be passengers on their aircraft, to talk to their aircraft and to see their aircraft, that was nothing as compared to how exciting it was to be entrusted with the responsibility of driving their aircraft.)