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When Will AC Return Service To MSY?  
User currently offlineSimairlinenet From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 911 posts, RR: 2
Posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 days ago) and read 3801 times:

I was wondering when Air Canada will return service to New Orleans. The Star Alliance Timetable has no update for flights yet, and the AC site has no news regarding the service.

Any information would be appreciated.

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User currently offlineMD90fan From Bahamas, joined exactly 9 years ago today! , 2931 posts, RR: 7
Reply 1, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 days ago) and read 3795 times:

A couple of weeks ago I was reading on here that they will with, what was it a CRJ-705? or E-190 or E-175? I read it a couple of weeks ago  Smile I miss the DC-9's though  Sad


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User currently offlineDavid T From Canada, joined Nov 2001, 210 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 days ago) and read 3787 times:

In my humble opinion, I don't think Canadians are in any particular rush to go to New Orleans. For us, there are a wealth of travel options in the lower U.S. States. Unless a person is on some crusade, and Air Canada will needs lots of crusaders to pay for a frequency, don't expect it anytime soon.

No offence to New Orleans, but reality rules! Why go there in the near future? Air Canada can deploy assets better from a business perspective and not have that "obligation" hanging over them as U.S. flag carriers would have.


User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26376 posts, RR: 76
Reply 3, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 days ago) and read 3759 times:

Quoting MD90fan (Reply 1):
A couple of weeks ago I was reading on here that they will with, what was it a CRJ-705? or E-190 or E-175? I read it a couple of weeks ago

The first YYZ service is supposed to be on a CR705, with a second on either a CR705 or an E-175. Additionally, there is a rumored YUL service.

Quoting David T (Reply 2):
In my humble opinion, I don't think Canadians are in any particular rush to go to New Orleans. For us, there are a wealth of travel options in the lower U.S. States. Unless a person is on some crusade, and Air Canada will needs lots of crusaders to pay for a frequency, don't expect it anytime soon.

No offence to New Orleans, but reality rules! Why go there in the near future? Air Canada can deploy assets better from a business perspective and not have that "obligation" hanging over them as U.S. flag carriers would have.

Actually, with the combination of Mardi Gras, Jazzfest, Cruise Traffic and the significant jump in business traffic, AC has been chomping at the bit to get down here, but has not been able to because MSY hasn't officially reopened its customs yet. That may all change when the UK charters come in this weekend, as they will have to have customs



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User currently offlineTribird1011 From Canada, joined Mar 2005, 208 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 3746 times:

Quoting N1120A (Reply 3):
MSY hasn't officially reopened its customs yet. That may all change when the UK charters come in this weekend, as they will have to have customs

I thought all AC -> U.S flights were pre-cleared, so customs would not be an issue!


User currently offlineDavid T From Canada, joined Nov 2001, 210 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (8 years 5 months 3 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 3686 times:

Quoting Tribird1011 (Reply 4):
I thought all AC -> U.S flights were pre-cleared, so customs would not be an issue!

Thanks Tribird1011, you beat me to the punchline. So ACTUALLY N1120, you are wrong. We have U.S. pre-clearance in Canada at all major airports on flights bound for the U.S. (I believe there are exceptions such as Regina & Saskatoon which simply do not have the capacity to warrant?)

I still don't, in my hunble opinion, see the point for AC to fly to New Orleans in the near future.


User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26376 posts, RR: 76
Reply 6, posted (8 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 3578 times:

Quoting Tribird1011 (Reply 4):
I thought all AC -> U.S flights were pre-cleared, so customs would not be an issue!

First off, not all transborder flights are pre-cleared. Halifax, Fredericton, Kitchener, Regina, Saskatoon, and London among others don't have pre-clearence

Quoting David T (Reply 5):
Thanks Tribird1011, you beat me to the punchline. So ACTUALLY N1120, you are wrong. We have U.S. pre-clearance in Canada at all major airports on flights bound for the U.S. (I believe there are exceptions such as Regina & Saskatoon which simply do not have the capacity to warrant?)

Read above and I will add that it doesn't matter if there is pre-clearance at the Canadian airport. The DOT still requires the airport to be customs ready, even if the flight is precleared. That is why a PRE-CLEARED flight from YVR to SNA on AS actually took off and had to divert to Ontario. SNA doesn't have customs. Anyway, MSY customs is open again, so it doesn't matter.

Quoting David T (Reply 5):
I still don't, in my hunble opinion, see the point for AC to fly to New Orleans in the near future.

Except of course all the business traffic, the beginning of the tourist season and the historical demand in the market.



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User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32613 posts, RR: 72
Reply 7, posted (8 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 3574 times:

Quoting David T (Reply 5):
We have U.S. pre-clearance in Canada at all major airports on flights bound for the U.S. (I believe there are exceptions such as Regina & Saskatoon which simply do not have the capacity to warrant?)

Try eight airports - Montreal, Toronto, Vancouver, Calgary, Edmonton, Ottawa, Winnipeg, and, most recently, Halifax.



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User currently offlineDavid T From Canada, joined Nov 2001, 210 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (8 years 5 months 1 week 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 3471 times:

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 7):
Try eight airports - Montreal, Toronto, Vancouver, Calgary, Edmonton, Ottawa, Winnipeg, and, most recently, Halifax.

And your point is? Did I not say that, having not actually stated the cities that provide U.S. pre-clearance?

Quoting N1120A (Reply 6):
Except of course all the business traffic, the beginning of the tourist season and the historical demand in the market.

We will have to wait & see. New Orleans (Katrina) was one of the worst natural disasters the United Staes has ever encountered. Tourism = rubber neckers! Business = profit from disaster! Historical demand = We have never experienced this ever before and we are crossing our fingers they will come back.


User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26376 posts, RR: 76
Reply 9, posted (8 years 5 months 1 week 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 3471 times:

Quoting David T (Reply 8):
Tourism = rubber neckers!

Um, what are you talking about? Mardi Gras is going on now and Jazzfest is in 2 months. Not to mention all the cruise traffic. In fact, Britannia/ThomsonFly is sending in an extra 767 next week to handle the loads

Quoting David T (Reply 8):
Business = profit from disaster

Not to mention the return of oil and gas.

Quoting David T (Reply 8):
Historical demand = We have never experienced this ever before and we are crossing our fingers they will come back.

Again, what are you talking about? There are strong business ties along with a lot of Canadian cruise traffic.



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User currently offlineDavid T From Canada, joined Nov 2001, 210 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (8 years 5 months 1 week 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 3471 times:

Ok, so when is Air Canada coming back to New Orleans? You seem to know, let us know...

Submitted in my most humble opinion.


User currently offlineAccargo From Canada, joined Sep 2004, 610 posts, RR: 8
Reply 11, posted (8 years 5 months 1 week 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 3471 times:

The answer is in my opinion: When AC feels it has enough demand to operate the flights with suitable loads to make it profitable. AC has indicated it will return to MSY, but will not do it until it can generate good revenue. I'm sure it is watching the market closely.

There is little news in Canada about the condition of MSY post-Katrina and the public has vivid memories of the destruction that was wrecked upon New Orleans. While Mardi Gras may be ongoing and the Jazzfest is in 2 months there has been little or no advertising to make Canadian tourists aware that things are slowly returning to normal, or as near normal as they can be.


User currently offlineKiwiandrew From New Zealand, joined Jun 2005, 8544 posts, RR: 13
Reply 12, posted (8 years 5 months 1 week 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 3471 times:
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Quoting David T (Reply 8):
Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 7):
Try eight airports - Montreal, Toronto, Vancouver, Calgary, Edmonton, Ottawa, Winnipeg, and, most recently, Halifax.

And your point is? Did I not say that, having not actually stated the cities that provide U.S. pre-clearance?

I could be wrong , but I think MAH4546 was actually meaning to reply to N1120A - see below where he stated that YHZ does not have pre-clearance

Quoting N1120A (Reply 6):
Quoting Tribird1011 (Reply 4):
I thought all AC -> U.S flights were pre-cleared, so customs would not be an issue!

First off, not all transborder flights are pre-cleared. Halifax, Fredericton, Kitchener, Regina, Saskatoon, and London among others don't have pre-clearence



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User currently offlineTIMEAIR From Canada, joined May 2005, 436 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (8 years 5 months 1 week 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 3420 times:

Anticipated return was April sked change, however, this still has not been finalized and may default to fall schedule, depending on availability of aircraft, as they are still waiting for new aircraft that wud be used to free different acft type (CRJ705 I wud assume). The likely acft type will be a mix of E190/CRJ705 aircraft operating ex YYZ/YUL with a possibility of a new service ex YYC with 1 x daily with E190.....BUT AGAIN I STRESS...NOTHING HAS BE FINALIZED!!!


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User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26376 posts, RR: 76
Reply 14, posted (8 years 5 months 1 week 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 3411 times:

Quoting Kiwiandrew (Reply 12):
I could be wrong , but I think MAH4546 was actually meaning to reply to N1120A - see below where he stated that YHZ does not have pre-clearance

Actually, I forgot that YHZ had JUST opened its pre-clearence as it was still not opened when I moved back to New Orleans from Boston. Mark was responding to the assumption that all Transborder flights were pre-cleared

Quoting TIMEAIR (Reply 13):
The likely acft type will be a mix of E190/CRJ705 aircraft operating ex YYZ/YUL with a possibility of a new service ex YYC with 1 x daily with E190.....BUT AGAIN I STRESS...NOTHING HAS BE FINALIZED!!!

So now we have a chance at 3 destinations? This is getting cooler and cooler by the moment. YYC makes a lot of sense given the amount of oil and gas traffic.



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User currently offlineTIMEAIR From Canada, joined May 2005, 436 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (8 years 5 months 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 3293 times:

YYC has become a "possibility" simply as you state because of all the gas and oil on the Gulf Coast, however it is yet to be seen whether this proposed schedule will takeoff.


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