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Will SAA Replace Atlanta With Chicago?  
User currently offlineSAA201 From South Africa, joined May 2001, 512 posts, RR: 2
Posted (8 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 4004 times:

from: www.travelinfo.co.za

By (Hilka Birns) hilkab@nowmedia.co.za

SOUTH African Airways is reviewing its use of Atlanta as a hub with Chicago as a replacement, when its codeshare with Delta Air Lines ends in September, according to gm flight operations, Captain Colin Jordaan.
This follows SAA formally joining Star Alliance on April 1 and Chicago being a hub of Star Alliance partners, US Airways and United Airlines. “All indications at this stage are that it will be Chicago and the simulations that we have run show us that in fact we will have more connections from Chicago than from Atlanta,” he said.
Jordaan said SAA also would “vigorously explore” a connection between Cape Town and Miami, but this depended on what support it would get from its US Star Alliance partner carriers out of Miami.
Meanwhile SAA is considering scaling back its daily flights to Mumbai to four a week because of insufficient loads during off-peak times.

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User currently offlineN328KF From United States of America, joined May 2004, 6483 posts, RR: 3
Reply 1, posted (8 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 3914 times:

ORD would be a big win. Not only tons of connections, but there are lots of South Africans around here for some reason.


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User currently offlineSW733 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 6265 posts, RR: 9
Reply 2, posted (8 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 3907 times:

Wow, considering I am from Namibia, most of my family is in Chicago, and I go to college in Kansas...a flight from Chicago to South Africa would be fantastic for me personally. I could certainly see this as a successful venture for them as well! I hope it is true, and I could definitely see it being true.

User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32213 posts, RR: 72
Reply 3, posted (8 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 3897 times:

Wouldn't surprise me at all. Hope to see them back in Miami, though. Limited connections, but strong O&D, as demonstrated from the fact that the MIA flight is planned from Cape Town rather than their main Jo'Burg hub. CPT also would allow them to do both ways non-stop.


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User currently offlineBigGSFO From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 2889 posts, RR: 6
Reply 4, posted (8 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 3842 times:

I know it's a long shot, but would love to see SAA in LAX maybe via MIA or South America.

User currently offlineLfutia From Netherlands, joined Dec 2002, 3305 posts, RR: 28
Reply 5, posted (8 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days ago) and read 3761 times:
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There's alot of South Africans in Chicago?

Never knew that! learn somethin every day...

Leo



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User currently offlineSAA201 From South Africa, joined May 2001, 512 posts, RR: 2
Reply 6, posted (8 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days ago) and read 3756 times:

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 3):
Hope to see them back in Miami, though. Limited connections, but strong O&D, as demonstrated from the fact that the MIA flight is planned from Cape Town rather than their main Jo'Burg hub. CPT also would allow them to do both ways non-stop.

I would imagine that the flight would operate JNB-CPT-MIA and vv as it did in the past. Most of the pax in those days originated or terminated their journey in JNB rather than CPT if I'm not mistaken. The reason for the stop in CPT was because, unlike JNB, it is almost at sea level and has a more western longitude thus allowing a feasible non-stop eastbound flight from South Africa to the USA.


User currently offlineTWA902fly From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 3100 posts, RR: 4
Reply 7, posted (8 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days ago) and read 3739 times:

Quoting Lfutia (Reply 5):
There's alot of South Africans in Chicago?

I don't know about a lot, but i grew up there, and there were some south african kids in our high school, and later on the only place in the United States i've ever met South Africans has been in Chicago. But if you compare that to how many mexican or polish people there are in Chicago... i wouldnt bet that alone on an A340 around the world lol.

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User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32213 posts, RR: 72
Reply 8, posted (8 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days ago) and read 3707 times:

Quoting Lfutia (Reply 5):
There's alot of South Africans in Chicago?

No. There are a lot in Miami, Toronto, and Houston, though.

Quoting SAA201 (Reply 6):

I would imagine that the flight would operate JNB-CPT-MIA and vv as it did in the past. Most of the pax in those days originated or terminated their journey in JNB rather than CPT if I'm not mistaken.

Very true, but the VFR nature of the flight, combined with the fact that CPT allows non-stop both ways, makes it more feasable.



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User currently offlineCHI787ORD From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 517 posts, RR: 4
Reply 9, posted (8 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 3576 times:

Quoting Lfutia (Reply 5):
There's alot of South Africans in Chicago?

We have all sorts of people in Chicago. A truly gloabl city indeed.

This is great news. I love it when there is a new airline at T5.


User currently offlineLfutia From Netherlands, joined Dec 2002, 3305 posts, RR: 28
Reply 10, posted (8 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 3493 times:
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Indeed it is!!!! I really do hope that SAA will come to ORD!!!

According to this link i got from a friend, Chicago is a planned destination of SAA: http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=315211

Leo



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User currently offlineAirfinair From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 665 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (8 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 3447 times:

Wow. Now that would be pretty great for Chicago. Let's hope it happens. I sure didn't see this one coming!


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User currently offlineChgoflyer From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 622 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (8 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 3411 times:

Wow since they are going with Star Im shocked they have not considered PIT afterall US could offer them many connections!


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User currently offlinePADSpot From Germany, joined Jan 2005, 1676 posts, RR: 5
Reply 13, posted (8 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 3411 times:

What about eqipment then?

It was said in prior threads that SAA already had to make a fuel stop with the A346 on either the way to or from ATL? The route to ORD is about 700km farther and should then pose an even worse problem?

The A346 is already the airplane with the longest range in the fleet ... maybe their standard A346s can be upgraded to the HGW-version (after it becomes available) and the tech stops becomes obsolete this way ... ?

[Edited 2006-02-09 05:38:33]

User currently offlineORDZW From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 198 posts, RR: 3
Reply 14, posted (8 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 3390 times:

Isn't there still the problem of the length of the A346 in ORD due to the limits on the taxiways? This was obvious when IB substituted a while back. If this is the case, then they would have to use the 744.


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User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26196 posts, RR: 76
Reply 15, posted (8 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 3368 times:

Quoting Lfutia (Reply 5):
There's alot of South Africans in Chicago?

Actually, it has nothing to do with any South African population in Chicago, it has to do with more than 500 United flights a day to connect to. I thought this swap was supposed to go to IAD as opposed to ORD?

Quoting Chgoflyer (Reply 12):
Wow since they are going with Star Im shocked they have not considered PIT afterall US could offer them many connections!

You are kidding, right?



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User currently offlineJmc1975 From Israel, joined Sep 2000, 3242 posts, RR: 15
Reply 16, posted (8 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 3355 times:

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 3):
Hope to see them back in Miami, though. Limited connections, but strong O&D, as demonstrated from the fact that the MIA flight is planned from Cape Town rather than their main Jo'Burg hub. CPT also would allow them to do both ways non-stop.

AA dropped the ball by not doing MIA-CPT-JNB on a 772ER. Although it would require an additional two aircraft, nobody at AA seems to have the vision to enable such a move.



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User currently offlineChiGB1973 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 1612 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (8 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 3333 times:

Quoting PADSpot (Reply 13):
It was said in prior threads that SAA already had to make a fuel stop with the A346 on either the way to or from ATL? The route to ORD is about 700km farther and should then pose an even worse problem?

No more of a problem than it already is. The one fuel stop would be more than sufficient for the 346 or 744 to make it without problem.

M


User currently offlineLfutia From Netherlands, joined Dec 2002, 3305 posts, RR: 28
Reply 18, posted (8 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 3323 times:
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Quoting ORDZW (Reply 14):
Isn't there still the problem of the length of the A346 in ORD due to the limits on the taxiways? This was obvious when IB substituted a while back. If this is the case, then they would have to use the 744.

Apparently not as IB is scheduled to operate the MAD-ORD-MAD route in April with the A346.

Leo



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User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32213 posts, RR: 72
Reply 19, posted (8 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 3294 times:

Quoting Jmc1975 (Reply 16):

AA dropped the ball by not doing MIA-CPT-JNB on a 772ER. Although it would require an additional two aircraft, nobody at AA seems to have the vision to enable such a move.

AA evaulated the route very closely. They would love to it, but there are operational issues using their 772s that do not make it feasable. If they had newer, longer range 777s or if they are to get 787s, it is definitley a market I see them going into.



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User currently offlineORD14R From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 51 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (8 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 3184 times:

Quoting Lfutia (Reply 18):
Apparently not as IB is scheduled to operate the MAD-ORD-MAD route in April with the A346.

Just in April, or from April on? Please tell me its the 346 in June...

Sorry to get off-topic.


User currently offlineFLYACYYZ From Canada, joined Jan 2004, 1914 posts, RR: 12
Reply 21, posted (8 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 3128 times:

Quoting Chgoflyer (Reply 12):
Wow since they are going with Star Im shocked they have not considered PIT afterall US could offer them many connections!

There has been on again/off again speculation about either SAA or AC serving JNB. Given YYZ is Canada's Star hub, and the number of South Africans living here, thought that once the US was covered, they would have had their sights set on Canada, or even extending the IAD flight.



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User currently offlineAmerican 767 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 3653 posts, RR: 12
Reply 22, posted (8 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 3101 times:

Quoting SAA201 (Thread starter):
Chicago being a hub of Star Alliance partners, US Airways and United Airlines.

Not quite true. US Airways doesn't have a hub in Chicago, United does. And US Airways and United have abandoned their planned merger a long time ago. However it is true that both UA and US belong to the Star Alliance. American, who doesn't belong to Star, has a hub in Chicago.
Why isn't SAA considering serving PIT since it will be part of Star Alliance?

Ben Soriano
Brussels Belgium



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User currently offlineAirfinair From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 665 posts, RR: 1
Reply 23, posted (8 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 3093 times:

Quoting Lfutia (Reply 18):
Apparently not as IB is scheduled to operate the MAD-ORD-MAD route in April with the A346.

LH will be flying an A346 into ORD this summer also, so we can probably say that ORD has worked out any issues with the A346.



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User currently offlineKeesje From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (8 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 3079 times:

Quoting PADSpot (Reply 13):
It was said in prior threads that SAA already had to make a fuel stop with the A346 on either the way to or from ATL? The route to ORD is about 700km farther and should then pose an even worse problem?

The A346 is already the airplane with the longest range in the fleet ...

Sporty, even for a A346..

JNB (26°08'21"S 28°14'46"E) ORD (41°58'43"N 87°54'17"W) : 7568 nm
JNB (26°08'21"S 28°14'46"E) ATL (33°38'26"N 84°25'37"W) : 7334 nm



25 Drerx7 : PIT has virtually no O&D for South Africa, and is no longer a hub for anybody. Besides--they are better served getting a Europe flight back.
26 Gigneil : Seriously, why would they? PIT offers nothing IAD doesn't already, which is the Northeast and eastern Midwest. ORD offers the entire rest of the coun
27 Nimish : Is it going to be a permanent reduction in capacity, or just for the off-season? And is there really no traffic - or are they up against the EK-jugge
28 Lfutia : when exactly are you flying to MAD from ORD in June? I picked 2 random dates in June and I saw just A340 not A346. Leo
29 N328KF : Yes, I will grant you, the connections from ORD are a major part of it. However... Yes. Well, while there are other cities with larger South African
30 Daron4000 : saturdays are a346 for iberia
31 CHI787ORD : Actually a flight to YYZ wouldn't be much longer than ORD. In fact, i think its actually the same right?
32 ORD14R : Thanks for clearing that up...I understand now why two random dates were giving me two different aircraft types. Sadly, I fly back to ORD on a Monday
33 JoFMO : With the recent modification in the US/CA treaty I could see AC trying YYZ-MIA-JNB/CPT. They apllied some weeks ago for YYZ-LAX-SYD. So they seem to b
34 StarAlly : This is really exciting! I am planning a return trip to a country (haven't decided yet) in Africa next year and with SAA flying out of Chicago, it wil
35 9252fly : I think for travelers from Canada that wish to connect via the USA,having ORD as SAA departure city could work out very well. ORD has UA/AC flights to
36 Kkfla737 : Intersting considering that AI, 9W and IC have all made noise about flying from South Africa to India recently.
37 Mexicana757 : It would be great to see SAA at ORD. Changing their flight to ORD from ATL is big plus for SAA as they would have a ton of connections out of here. As
38 ScottB : Which is part of why I was surprised to see SA join Star instead of SkyTeam; they already had the long-standing successful codeshare with DL and had
39 SA7700 : I can almost guarantee you that if SA had applied to join Oneworld, the South African Competition Commission would have denied the application. BA al
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