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STL, Trans States News About The JS41s  
User currently offlineSTLTower From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 26 posts, RR: 0
Posted (8 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 3979 times:

http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/060208/clw071.html?.v=34

Ive been thinking they would do this as the JS41 fleet seems to be getting smaller and smaller.

I wonder how Regions will serve some of these markets, maybe with former Trans States aircraft?

Side note : We found out today more info on how we are going to use the new runway (11/29) at STL. It seems that the plan is to use (on an east flow) 11 as the primary arrival runway and 12R as the primary departure runway while using 12L for GA and overflow arrivals and departures.

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User currently offlineAtrude777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 5702 posts, RR: 52
Reply 1, posted (8 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 3942 times:

RegionsAir as we know operates only J31, it would be interesting to see if they add J-41 to what markets though? All markets served by Regions are EAS cities, so they could fly a J31 or a 747 it will sitll be a profitable route as they are paid to fly the route. If I understand correctly.

I would think Regions would just use the J31 to fly them. It would be neat to see RJ flights such as MWA-STL or CGI-STL, but I have no hopes for those cities getting RJ.

Alex



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User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 33289 posts, RR: 71
Reply 2, posted (8 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 3917 times:

Quoting Atrude777 (Reply 1):
so they could fly a J31 or a 747 it will sitll be a profitable route as they are paid to fly the route. If I understand correctly.

No, that is totally incorrect. The subsidies are pre-set based on the aircraft used. Airlines bid for the contracts, and the lesser bids usually (but not always) win. If an airline upgrades a flight from, for example, a J31 to a J41, then they will be responsbile for any potential losses caused by the switch.



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User currently offlineAtrude777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 5702 posts, RR: 52
Reply 3, posted (8 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 3917 times:

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 2):

No, that is totally incorrect. The subsidies are pre-set based on the aircraft used. Airlines bid for the contracts, and the lesser bids usually (but not always) win. If an airline upgrades a flight from, for example, a J31 to a J41, then they will be responsbile for any potential losses caused by the switch.

Oh I didn't realize they had it pre-set. Figured they could place any aircraft and still are paid for the flight.

Makes more sense.

Alex



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User currently offlineLambertMan From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 2081 posts, RR: 36
Reply 4, posted (8 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 3887 times:

So all jet huh? St. Louis could lose a little bit of service over this (UIN, OWB, MWA). Will be interesting to see what happens.

User currently offlineAtrude777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 5702 posts, RR: 52
Reply 5, posted (8 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 3878 times:

Quoting LambertMan (Reply 4):
So all jet huh? St. Louis could lose a little bit of service over this (UIN, OWB, MWA). Will be interesting to see what happens.

Bryan- TSA doesn't fly to those cities, only RegionsAir. I highly doubt they would be affected.....

Unless you see something different?

Alex



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User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 33289 posts, RR: 71
Reply 6, posted (8 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 3866 times:

Quoting Atrude777 (Reply 5):

Bryan- TSA doesn't fly to those cities, only RegionsAir. I highly doubt they would be affected.....

Unless you see something different?

RegionsAir might reallocate resources from those markets to serve ones TSA is dropping.



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User currently offlineFlyCMH From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 2293 posts, RR: 10
Reply 7, posted (8 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 3848 times:

From http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/060208/clw071.html?.v=34 :

"Trans States currently serves nine markets from St. Louis with its J-41 fleet under its AmericanConnection® partnership. Four markets -- Cedar Rapids, Iowa; Madison, Wis.; Memphis, Tenn.; and Fayetteville, Ark. -- will have their existing service upgraded to all-jet service between April and May.

Trans States will exit five markets -- Columbia, Mo.; Decatur, Ill.; Joplin, Mo.; Springfield, Ill.; and Springfield, Mo. Trans States and American are working with AmericanConnection® partner Regions Air to continue service to those cities."


So it sounds like TSA will continue serving CID, MSN, MEM, and XNA with upgraded RJ service, while COU, DEC, JLN, SPI, and SGF could be in danger of loosing AmericanConnection service. I don't see why RegionsAir couldn't go ahead and takeover service to these markets, unless they're short on aircraft.


User currently offlineLambertMan From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 2081 posts, RR: 36
Reply 8, posted (8 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 3829 times:

Quoting Atrude777 (Reply 5):
Bryan- TSA doesn't fly to those cities, only RegionsAir. I highly doubt they would be affected.....

Unless you see something different?

Whoops, I figured J41/J31 same company must operate them  Wink. I sometimes forget that RegionsAir is even in existence. I'm placing my bets on SPI, SGF, and COU retaining service, DEC and JLN to me look like real strong candidates to go. JLN was supposed to be cut last year at some point in time.


User currently offlineFutureFO From Ireland, joined Oct 2001, 3132 posts, RR: 21
Reply 9, posted (8 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 3822 times:

Umm Regions Air serves BNA which is definitely not a EAS service. Also last time I was in STL TSA still had more than 6 J41's remaining.


Sean from MCO and SDF



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User currently offlineUSXguy From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 1041 posts, RR: 5
Reply 10, posted (8 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 3811 times:

Don't forget that RegionsAir is also picking up some Saabs. Wouldn't be surprising to see them flying SF3s instead of J32EPs on those routes.

And just a jaunt down memory lane, Trans States used to have J31 Shuttle service from both Decatur and Springfield to St. Louis with flights every hour starting at 5 am till 6 pm.



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User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 33289 posts, RR: 71
Reply 11, posted (8 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 3799 times:

Quoting FutureFO (Reply 9):
Umm Regions Air serves BNA which is definitely not a EAS service.

They fly there because it is their maintence base, IIRC.



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User currently offlineFlyinryan99 From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 2031 posts, RR: 14
Reply 12, posted (8 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 3747 times:

Are they getting these aircraft from the phasing out of USex flying? Could we see them announce any new cities in addition to upgrading of these cities? I like the idea of them taking on some at-risk flying like SRQ...maybe add another couple of cities there?

User currently offlineMrSTL From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 468 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (8 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 3728 times:

Quoting Flyinryan99 (Reply 12):
Are they getting these aircraft from the phasing out of USex flying?

I thought some of these planes were being reallocated to fly United's new focus city in SAT. Although I could be wrong-- I would welcome any new service at STL-- MCI would sure be nice although AA handed that route to WN on a silver platter among others.


User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26815 posts, RR: 75
Reply 14, posted (8 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 3728 times:

Quoting MrSTL (Reply 13):
I thought some of these planes were being reallocated to fly United's new focus city in SAT.

Actually, the focus city is Trans-States' idea and is totally at risk. UA is marketing it for them



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User currently offlineCIDflyer From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 2362 posts, RR: 3
Reply 15, posted (8 years 10 months 3 weeks 2 days ago) and read 3626 times:

great news for me here in CID! I am glad to see us have all jet service back to STL. I remember when TWA ran about 8 M80s/717's a day here and those flights always appeared to be very busy. I had noticed previously in another thread that the early morning CID-STL had been upgraded to an ERJ. Does anyone know when the remaining new all jet flights will be loaded into the schedule?

User currently offlineOkie From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 3191 posts, RR: 3
Reply 16, posted (8 years 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 3577 times:

Quoting FlyCMH (Reply 7):
So it sounds like TSA will continue serving CID, MSN, MEM, and XNA with upgraded RJ service, while COU, DEC, JLN, SPI, and SGF could be in danger of loosing AmericanConnection service.

I wondered if Trans States upgraded their Junkstream drivers to the ERJ's or just kicked them into the FOD barrel.

Okie


User currently offlineTornado82 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (8 years 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 3564 times:

Quoting Atrude777 (Reply 1):
RegionsAir as we know operates only J31, it would be interesting to see if they add J-41 to what markets though? All markets served by Regions are EAS cities,

They're buying Saab 340's for newly acquired EAS contracts for MGW, CKB, and PKB.

Quoting USXguy (Reply 10):
Don't forget that RegionsAir is also picking up some Saabs. Wouldn't be surprising to see them flying SF3s instead of J32EPs on those routes.

Exactly... they didn't buy and train for Saab 340's just for the West Virginia Routes, which by my count would only require 2 planes.


User currently offlineFlyf15 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (8 years 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 3557 times:

Quoting Okie (Reply 16):
I wondered if Trans States upgraded their Junkstream drivers to the ERJ's or just kicked them into the FOD barrel.

They're going to the ERJ. I'm actually friends with a former J41 captain that will begin flying the ERJ as a captain in the next couple weeks.


User currently offlineIowaman From United States of America, joined May 2004, 4435 posts, RR: 6
Reply 19, posted (8 years 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 3531 times:
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Quoting CIDflyer (Reply 15):
great news for me here in CID! I am glad to see us have all jet service back to STL.

Now if we can get some NW to get rid of some of those saabs to CIDWink


User currently offlineIowaman From United States of America, joined May 2004, 4435 posts, RR: 6
Reply 20, posted (8 years 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 3531 times:
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Quoting CIDflyer (Reply 15):
great news for me here in CID! I am glad to see us have all jet service back to STL.

Now if we can get NW to get rid of some of those saabs to CIDWink


User currently offlineCIDflyer From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 2362 posts, RR: 3
Reply 21, posted (8 years 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 3506 times:

Quoting Iowaman (Reply 20):
Now if we can get NW to get rid of some of those saabs to CID.

Iowaman, I was thinking the same thing! NW will now be the only carrier in CID offering turbo prop service. Would be nice to see those remaining MSP flights that aren't jet(I think there are maybe 3 of them) upgraded to either CRJ/ARJ or DC9. I would have thought we would have had an all jet schedule on NW by now.


User currently offlineTornado82 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (8 years 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 3493 times:

Quoting CIDflyer (Reply 21):
ARJ

Sorry, but the ARJ's are leaving the fleet.

Quoting CIDflyer (Reply 21):
I would have thought we would have had an all jet schedule on NW by now.

For that short of a hop? Throwing jets on routes like that is exactly why airlines are NOT making money.

Probably 40% of NW's CRJ/ARJ/DC93 routes would be better served with a Q-400 due to stage length. I'd go so far as to wager the Q-400's fuel/maint savings would make up for their lease costs as opposed to the already-paid-for DC9's.


User currently offlineCIDflyer From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 2362 posts, RR: 3
Reply 23, posted (8 years 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 3446 times:

Quoting Tornado82 (Reply 22):
For that short of a hop? Throwing jets on routes like that is exactly why airlines are NOT making money

MLI-MSP is currently all jets, as well as MSN-MSP, and they are roughly the same distance from MSP as CID


we also have AA and UA with all jets to ORD, a mere 196 miles. I guess from a passenger perspective, jets seems to be a more popular choice versus turbo props

as for the ARJ leaving the fleet, you are correct. That was an oversight on my part.

[Edited 2006-02-09 03:44:16]

[Edited 2006-02-09 03:45:34]

User currently offlineStl1326 From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 496 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (8 years 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 3428 times:

I'm suprised they are dropping SPI. I thought that route was one of their better J41 routes. It will interesting to see what happens and if regions air will pick up some of the routes that TSA is dropping. Does anybody know where the extra aircraft are coming from to upgrade CID, MEM, MSN, and XNA?

25 Loggat : there were 13 ERJ's on the USex system. I can't tell you exactly the number that went to the United and American sides, but they will be split up. A c
26 Tornado82 : Doesn't mean its economical.
27 Post contains images CIDflyer : while that certainly may be true, it appears my wish is coming true, beginning next week NW is replacing 2 saabs with one DC9 and one CRJ to MSP
28 Post contains images Iowaman : Hey, that's a long hop compared the DC-9's on RST-MSP which is all of 72 miles. If NW was worried about being economical, they wouldn't be flying A32
29 Tornado82 : You've said it all... they don't "give a damn if they lose money." And that has caught up to them now.
30 KcrwFlyer : Iowa, how do you say this : then this : how long of a ride is CID-MSP? Half hour? If CID is in the upper midwest as iowamain said, that isnt a smart m
31 Iowaman : Close to an hour.
32 KcrwFlyer : my goodness! thats almost a 757 leg!
33 STLTower : I wouldn't be surprised if Regions doesn't serve SGF and JLN. From what I have heard and read in the news paper JLN is a weak market and it seems SGF
34 Access-Air : Sheesh, Why does everyone have such a problem with prop planes? It baffles me that people if they have a chance will willy-nilly go up for a ride in a
35 Cloudy : Springfield is close enough to Saint Louis to make it hard to make the run economically with a jet. We will probably get replacement service with 19
36 Boeing nut : That'll change once the demolition project at the old Boeing facility is completed. Once those hangars are down, CAT III certification will be under
37 TWFirst : It's closer to SPI and BMI.... however, TSA service is/was the only air service left into DEC. DEC is home to ADM, A.E. Staley and Mueller Co... so s
38 Post contains images Iowaman : I guess they figure the prop planes are slower, older, and less safe. I personally would take an ERJ anyday over a J41, just because the ERJ is coole
39 FlyPeoria : There was a breaking news story in the Springfield, IL newspaper (www.sj-r.com) on Wednesday that confirmed Trans States Airlines decision to drop ser
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