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User currently offlineQuickmover From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 2486 posts, RR: 0
Posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 6064 times:

They took a 3rd gate recently. They have the room to handle more flights if they have the aircraft. Anyone heard anything?

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User currently offlineWnsocal From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 129 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 6040 times:

WN gets another gate in DEN & SNA getting more flights..maybe? but i dont think so. one can dream..wn


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User currently offlineQuickmover From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 2486 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 6028 times:

I still wish they would look into DEN-MCI.

User currently offlineNjintern From United States of America, joined Dec 2001, 58 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 5946 times:

I agree with Quickmover. Because WN is the price leader in most of the large beyond-DEN markets (LAS, LAX, SEA, PDX) F9 and UA have become very greedy in the local market.

I just priced MCI-DEN RT on 3/15-3/22 at $266.60 and MCI-LAX RT (same dates) at $228.20. Do the math, it's a 49 cent yield in the local market.

If F9 wants to be considered a low-cost/low-fare airline, they need to act like one.


User currently offlineIADCRJ From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 332 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 5888 times:

I dont know if service has commenced yet, but I knew that WN has intentions of doing a DEN - SLC route shortly after their startup in DEN.

User currently offlineJmy007 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 598 posts, RR: 2
Reply 5, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 5888 times:

Quoting Njintern (Reply 3):
If F9 wants to be considered a low-cost/low-fare airline, they need to act like one.

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Come on, they have to make money somewhere. F9 and UA drop prices to match on head to head routes with WN. They'll pick up that money elsewhere.
If $266 is too much, drive the 8 hours down I-70.



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User currently offlinePanAm747 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 4242 posts, RR: 9
Reply 6, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 5877 times:

Currently, DEN is served by WN from OAK, SAN, LAS, PHX, SLC, MDW, & BWI, yes?

I would think one of the L.A. airports would be next (what a boon for ONT if they were the first!), along with maybe MCI or STL.

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I just priced MCI-DEN RT on 3/15-3/22 at $266.60 and MCI-LAX RT (same dates) at $228.20.



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If F9 wants to be considered a low-cost/low-fare airline, they need to act like one.

No carrier has the lowest fare every time. Many times I have travelled WN has been the lowest, many times the middle of the road, and a few times it has been the highest. It all depends on the demand for particular seats on a particular day. One example of fares doesn't tell the whole story - we need more data.



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User currently offlineFCYTravis From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 1191 posts, RR: 6
Reply 7, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 5848 times:

OAK and SAN are 1x Saturday-only flights, and SLC and BWI have yet to start up. They'll begin March 4.

If I had to guess, I'd bet on a service expansion to Oakland and LAX.



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User currently offlineNjintern From United States of America, joined Dec 2001, 58 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 5840 times:

My comment about acting like a low fare airline was specific to the fact that the MCI-DEN-LAX fare (1395 miles) was cheaper than the local fare (533 miles). This reminds me of DL selling MCO-CVG-DAY substantially cheaper than MCO-CVG. Not typical LCC behavior, especially considering 160% differnce in stage.

Quickmover, do you agree?

Can someone find an example today of a successful low-cost airline gouging the local to make up for lower fares in the beyond? If so, I'll gladly retract my statement.


User currently offlineQuickmover From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 2486 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 5646 times:

Quoting Njintern (Reply 8):
Quickmover, do you agree?

Agree 100%.
I'm surprised you found DEN-MCI for $266. I've spent as much as $350 before. UA and F9 have certainly learned to coexist. Too well.

DEN-LAS and PHX were not bargains before WN showed up. Granted you can find mid week discounts, but I've seen DEN-LAS as high as $400 and DEN-PHX as high as $350.


User currently offlineIowaman From United States of America, joined May 2004, 4312 posts, RR: 6
Reply 10, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 5531 times:
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My list of next possible cities from DEN (in no particular order):

LAX
OAK
MCI
STL
HOU
BNA (maybe)
SAN (maybe)



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User currently offlineTornado82 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 5506 times:

PHL. They'll smell the blood of UA, US, and F9 all in one big swoop.

User currently offlineHockey55dude From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 213 posts, RR: 2
Reply 12, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 5472 times:

Quoting Iowaman (Reply 10):
My list of next possible cities from DEN (in no particular order):

LAX
OAK
MCI
STL
HOU
BNA (maybe)
SAN (maybe)

They already started SAN and OAK


User currently offlineJacobin777 From United States of America, joined Sep 2004, 14968 posts, RR: 60
Reply 13, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 5472 times:

Quoting Iowaman (Reply 10):
LAX
OAK
MCI
STL
HOU
BNA (maybe)
SAN (maybe)

I would add SJC also as SJC is a big WN hub (they are either 1st or 2nd in terms of flights at SJC after AA/AA-eagle)...

it would be interesting to see how it does as F9 serves this route already...


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User currently offlineMariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 24638 posts, RR: 86
Reply 14, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 5435 times:
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Quoting Quickmover (Reply 9):
DEN-LAS and PHX were not bargains before WN showed up. Granted you can find mid week discounts, but I've seen DEN-LAS as high as $400 and DEN-PHX as high as $350.

You might be just a little bit fair here, Quickmover. Just a tad.

Yes, there were - still are - fares at those prices, and probably some higher. But they were not the lowest or the average.

Faremeasure is not the most reliable resource in the world, but it is pretty good, based on the DOT figures, and pre-dates Southwest's arrival in DEN.

The average round trip fare DEN/LAS was $238. Since we know there were higher fares and that's an average, there must have been lower fares, too.

The average round trip fare DEN/PHX was $255.

And there were times when they were much, much lower. When Ted started, I remember the $59 round trips DEN/LAS, DEN/PHX and DEN/RNO.

Even DEN/ONT.

Of course, no one was making money on those fares.

cheers

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User currently offlineUsairways85 From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 3326 posts, RR: 7
Reply 15, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 5381 times:

WN doesn't really need that 3rd gate to expand. I mean in PHL at one point WN was just about averaging 9-10 flts per gate each day. Now PHL is a pretty congested airport and if they can handle that in PHL i would assume they can get pretty close to that in DEN.

So what do they have 2 gates now and 12 flts a day with a few more coming in a month or two, they should really be able to get close to 17-20 flts with only 2 gates. That still leaves some room for expansion, while it would have to be a city with only 1 or 2 a day as opposed to 4 or 5 they still could handle some expansion. With 3 gates they should easily be able to get up to 25-28 flts a day.


User currently offlineQuickmover From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 2486 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 5337 times:

Quoting Usairways85 (Reply 15):
WN doesn't really need that 3rd gate to expand. I mean in PHL at one point WN was just about averaging 9-10 flts per gate each day. Now PHL is a pretty congested airport and if they can handle that in PHL i would assume they can get pretty close to that in DEN.

So what do they have 2 gates now and 12 flts a day with a few more coming in a month or two, they should really be able to get close to 17-20 flts with only 2 gates. That still leaves some room for expansion, while it would have to be a city with only 1 or 2 a day as opposed to 4 or 5 they still could handle some expansion. With 3 gates they should easily be able to get up to 25-28 flts a day.

They now have the two former USAir gates and the former Airtran gate. USAir moved to the west end of the concourse using the former America west gates. Airtran moved to the east end of the concourse to what was once one of the two TWA gates (on the south side).
What is interesting here is that the other TWA gate (east end north side) is also the former ATA gate--now unused as ATA pulled out of DEN. If WN wanted it, they could probably get it and give them 4 gates in very close proximity.


User currently offlineMrSTL From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 468 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 5280 times:

STL has nonstop service to DEN on F9, AA, and UA average roundtrip fare is $318.00 according to faremeasure.com. WN could seriously bring down the cost of this route if they decide to fly it. It is 770 miles or 20.6 cents per mile avg per RT. I just paid $450 three months ago on AA for my trip to Denver on a non holiday two weeks notice fare.

User currently offlineMariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 24638 posts, RR: 86
Reply 18, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 5250 times:
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Quoting MrSTL (Reply 17):
I just paid $450 three months ago on AA for my trip to Denver on a non holiday two weeks notice fare.

Then you wuz robbed.

I'm getting Frontier STL/DEN eight days out, two weeks out and three weeks out for $218.60 round trip.

cheers

mariner



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User currently offlineMrSTL From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 468 posts, RR: 1
Reply 19, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 5218 times:

Quoting Mariner (Reply 18):
Then you wuz robbed.

No kidding!! I checked everyone and they were all about the same fare although I think I paid a little more to stay on AA. Got to keep my FF status up, although more and more I am asking myself if it is really worth it.


User currently offlineMariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 24638 posts, RR: 86
Reply 20, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 5183 times:
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Quoting MrSTL (Reply 19):
No kidding!!

No kidding. $218.60 round trip.

On the three dates I checked, seats were available at that price on all flights.

Quoting MrSTL (Reply 19):
I think I paid a little more to stay on AA. Got to keep my FF status up

You want perks as a well as a cheap fare?  Smile

cheers

mariner



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User currently offline777fan From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 2481 posts, RR: 3
Reply 21, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 5153 times:

I vote for DEN-Tehran!

Seriously, I'm guessing it'll target one of Frontier or Ted/UA's routes: don't know if these already exist but BWI, PHX, SEA, PDX, LAS and/or SAN come to mind.



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User currently offlineJoeljack From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 924 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 5085 times:

My list would be in order:

Market O/D Passengers
LAX 2,231 Speaks for itself
MCI 788 O/D traffic will rise significantly because of short distance
MCO 860 WN really like Orlando
OMA 402 O/D traffic will rise significantly because of short distance
STL 674 Good Connections/ descent traffic
ABQ 379 O/D traffic will rise significantly because of short distance
FLL 684 ?????
TPA 558 Just a hunch
BNA 336 Kinda a stretch...Good Connections though


User currently offlineWedgetail737 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 5830 posts, RR: 5
Reply 23, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 5065 times:
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I would bet on expanding DEN-OAK going to daily before SJC. OAK is far larger WN station than SJC, especially with the introduction of ATA service to Hawaii.

User currently offlineMariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 24638 posts, RR: 86
Reply 24, posted (8 years 2 months 1 week 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 5051 times:
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Quoting Quickmover (Reply 9):
I'm surprised you found DEN-MCI for $266. I've spent as much as $350 before. UA and F9 have certainly learned to coexist. Too well.

Um - I just checked MCI-DEN RT on 3/15-3/22 and I got a total (including all taxes, etc) of $163.

That means a base fare to the airline of $138 round trip. This is gouging?

That fare was available on the two previous days as well. I didn't bother checking anymore than that.

cheers

mariner



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25 NateDAL : How about DAL? Ok...in all seriousness, LAX and HOU are their biggest destinations not yet served from DEN.
26 Post contains images Iowaman : Not daily. Yes, however there largest station, LAS, doesn't even have n/s to MCO on WN. I'm surprised F9 hasn't thrived more in RNO, I believe they a
27 Njintern : Nope, that's not gouging, that's pricing rationally. A LCC 21 day advance purchase fare for this LOCAL market should be somewhere $79 and $99. Thanks
28 Alphascan : There is no one in the Pricing Dept. of any carrier figuring yields per mile on flights in order to set their fares. Think of airline pricing as if s
29 ORDagent : F9 is extremely cost competative. What probably happened was that the lower fare bucket on F9 was already sold out as they have a very loyal pax base
30 Mariner : "...to get thinks back in order..." So then you must think that things were "out of order" - that the price you found was an aberration. But you read
31 SJCRRPAX : I think he meant WN's operation is large relative to other carriers at SJC. I think about every other departure from SJC is WN, at least everytime I
32 ScottB : Didn't you know that no one wants to fly Southwest to or from Denver because they have an inferior product and charge higher prices? Southwest taking
33 FCYTravis : How do you know that "for sure?" SJC is slightly smaller than OAK, passenger-wise. But WN's operation at OAK is *huge* and growing, with 133 daily dep
34 TxAgKuwait : You probably won't believe me, but the next batch of cities to get nonstop WN service from Denver ABQ (3) MCI (3) OMA (3) STL (2) TUS (2) That's 13 fl
35 MrSTL : I believe you, where are the Omaha flights going?
36 Wedgetail737 : WN serves more destinations nonstop through OAK than SJC. Plus, ATA's decision to fly from OAK to OGG, HNL and ITO gives WN more connection opportunit
37 Quickmover : How soon? I hope you are right, but can they squeeze 35 flights out of 3 gates?
38 Post contains images Vegasplanes : No LAX ? I would think WN would launch service to the LA Basin in some way shape or form from DEN N/S. Maybe they are waiting for two more gates so t
39 Laxintl : SWA does not have an inch of room to expand at LAX. The station flight activity has remained steady at just over 100 daily flights the last 5 years.
40 CentPIT : I think PHL as well. I think PIT has a chance though. PHL will probably be first.
41 Iowaman : Now is this an educated guess, or is this something you are very sure about? PHL would seem much more likely than PIT IMO. We all know that DEN-DAL i
42 Post contains links Sjcrrpax : I guess we never know the future for sure, but I go by the fact that San Jose is the 10th largest city in the U.S. and Oakland is not. SJC passenger
43 Joeljack : How do you know this information? How soon? 1 month, 3 months 1 year etc? Is this a guess or is this a "trust you, I'm 100% for sure kind of thing?"
44 Post contains images Jacobin777 : I sometimes wonder that too..until I sit in an emergency exit row with tons of room for a very good fare...
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