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Why Are Pax Going Crazy?  
User currently offlineFlyDeltaJets From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 1787 posts, RR: 2
Posted (8 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 6926 times:

Today at LGA a pax aboard Spirit Airlines enroute from NAS began getting unrully and trying to open the door. What do you guys think this trend is about?


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User currently offlineBG777300ER From Bulgaria, joined Mar 2005, 250 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (8 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 6914 times:

Probably scared of flying or maybe be he remembered that he forgot to go and see the Statue of Liberty before leaving.


Koi mi sra v gashtite?
User currently offlineAerorobnz From Rwanda, joined Feb 2001, 6909 posts, RR: 13
Reply 2, posted (8 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 6897 times:

I think it is to do with how much society relies on substances/prescribed drugs to solve their ailments/problems, when they go without them for a few hours (as they do while flying) their bodies can't handle it and they go spastic.

User currently offlineFlyGuyClt From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 537 posts, RR: 8
Reply 3, posted (8 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 6887 times:

Quoting Aerorobnz (Reply 2):
I think it is to do with how much society relies on substances/prescribed drugs to solve their ailments/problems, when they go without them for a few hours (as they do while flying) their bodies can't handle it and they go spastic.

That is one of the problems. Another one is . (And getting my fire extinguisher out for protection.) With fares this low. What do you expect? Not all value fares are purchased by the trash of society. But the airplane is looking more and more like an episode of "Cops". Attacks on crew members are up by roughly 30% year over year according the an air marshal two weeks ago.

Safe Flying  Smile



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User currently offlineFlyDeltaJets From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 1787 posts, RR: 2
Reply 4, posted (8 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 6849 times:

Quoting FlyGuyClt (Reply 3):
That is one of the problems. Another one is . (And getting my fire extinguisher out for protection.) With fares this low. What do you expect? Not all value fares are purchased by the trash of society. But the airplane is looking more and more like an episode of "Cops". Attacks on crew members are up by roughly 30% year over year according the an air marshal two weeks ago.

So what you are saying is that just because people save money they are unrully, I have heard that the richest of people save the most money, I trump didn't have his own plane he would probably be on Song too.



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User currently offlineMKandiah From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2005, 11 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (8 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day ago) and read 6732 times:

Perhaps flying is no longer a particularly enjoyable experience.

User currently offlineRoadrunner165 From United States of America, joined Oct 2000, 868 posts, RR: 9
Reply 6, posted (8 years 2 months 2 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 6671 times:

Quoting FlyDeltaJets (Thread starter):
What do you guys think this trend is about?


In my humble opinion, I don't believe there is a upward 'trend' with regard to crazy passengers on airplanes. Sure, occurrences like this are happening more often, but there are also more people flying today then at any other time in history. More passengers flying means a higher percentage of potential crazy people on board. I personally think the media is just making a big deal out of every little accident.

Adam


User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31580 posts, RR: 57
Reply 7, posted (8 years 2 months 2 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 6592 times:

Stress levels in a very pressure situation these days.
regds
MEL



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User currently offlineZSOFN From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2005, 1411 posts, RR: 6
Reply 8, posted (8 years 2 months 2 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 6548 times:

With the low cost "revolution" many more passengers are first time or infrequent and inexperienced flyers, and perhaps this lends cause to the larger number of instances of this sort of behaviour...

User currently offlineNotdownnlocked From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 919 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (8 years 2 months 2 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 6477 times:

Of course as you lower the fare you lower the threshold of society of those aboard your planes. 2nd class fares=2nd class people aboard your planes. Example: If I lower the fare to one half bottle of MadDog20/20 wine with a promise of transportation to the beach you can bet I can get everybody on skid row onto my planes. That is what the industry is going towards today. It is the same as Ryanair and chairman O'Leary when he speaks about the unwashed masses aboard his planes. Please don't reply to me about how it is everybody's God given right to fly. If that is the case it also our given right to all own houses with BMW's and Porches parked in the driveways.

User currently offlineViv From Ireland, joined May 2005, 3142 posts, RR: 29
Reply 10, posted (8 years 2 months 2 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 6462 times:

Too much alcohol and/or not enough nicotine.


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User currently offlineBDKLEZ From Ireland, joined Jun 2005, 1735 posts, RR: 10
Reply 11, posted (8 years 2 months 2 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 6459 times:

Quoting Notdownnlocked (Reply 9):
Of course as you lower the fare you lower the threshold of society of those aboard your planes. 2nd class fares=2nd class people aboard your planes.

How utterly patronising and condecending of you!

Just as it is not..

Quoting Notdownnlocked (Reply 9):
everybody's God given right to fly

..it is also not exclusively for those of a more affluent background.

I would suggest that ZSOFN is more accurately hitting the target with his statement when he says...

Quoting ZSOFN (Reply 8):
With the low cost "revolution" many more passengers are first time or infrequent and inexperienced flyers, and perhaps this lends cause to the larger number of instances of this sort of behaviour...

If only I had a Disrespected User list....



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User currently offlineSuperhub From Hong Kong, joined Jan 2006, 478 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (8 years 2 months 2 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 6445 times:

BDKLEZ,

You disagree with those who argue that more people from less affluent backgrounds fly and hence we have more "air rage."

Just curious, why do you think there are more air rage incidents?

[Edited 2006-02-09 11:42:56]

User currently offlineANother From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (8 years 2 months 2 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 6440 times:

Isn't this also (partially) due to the way that the Media deals with this? 20 years ago you wouldn't even get 2 lines on page 92, now they fall overthemselves trying to be the first to report this sensational news. Now all A.nutters know that you can't (in 99.657% of cases - this has been debated to death already) open a door in flight, probably most of the unwashed masses know this too, but do the Media? Ha. It's there job to sell newspapers and/or airtime ... not to report News.

User currently offlineBDKLEZ From Ireland, joined Jun 2005, 1735 posts, RR: 10
Reply 14, posted (8 years 2 months 2 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 6413 times:

Let me clarify.

It was actually Notdownlocked and not myself seemingly suggesting that as fares have lowered, it has enabled more folks to fly who have previously, for their own fiscal reasons, not been able to avail of such a service, and now that they are able to and being inherently "2nd class people", they have themselves brought down the general tone of on-board behaviour.

If this is what he/she is actually suggesting, I'm suggesting that his/her attitude needs addressing.



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User currently offlineBDKLEZ From Ireland, joined Jun 2005, 1735 posts, RR: 10
Reply 15, posted (8 years 2 months 2 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 6413 times:

Quoting ANother (Reply 13):
It's there job to sell newspapers and/or airtime ... not to report News.

Totally agree.



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User currently offlineNotdownnlocked From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 919 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (8 years 2 months 2 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 6365 times:

I am not being condescending to anyone. Just stating the facts as I see them and have personally witnessed as you do here with todays headline example. No need for the bleeding hearts. I added my example to back up my opinion. Is it everyones right to fly? Lower the fares and you can get those that were already crazy onboard not those that go crazy once they are aboard.

User currently offlineNotdownnlocked From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 919 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (8 years 2 months 2 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 6349 times:

Quoting BDKLEZ (Reply 11):

How lame are you. You say "just as it is not." I have to disagree with you a 100% there buddy. You lower the fare and you get those onboard that are crazy and less stable hence the example as in the title you get those that want to open the door and go outside and play when their aircraft is at 35k feet. I also would be so proud to be the 1st one on your disrespected list. Reread my example I gave you in reply 9.


User currently offlineBennett123 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2004, 7211 posts, RR: 3
Reply 18, posted (8 years 2 months 2 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 6319 times:

I think that the class of passengers has gone down.

The point is that class and money are not the same.


User currently offlineJumpseat70 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (8 years 2 months 2 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 6319 times:

We had a man yesterday pay $1150.00 for a last minute ticket to CAE from MCI. He announced that he was a truck driver to all at the counter.

Later, when at Security, he wouldn't allow the TSA to check him, he was thrown out of the gatehouse. He came back to the counter and said there were too many people around and he didn't want to fly anymore. The guy was a "looney tune".

We have always had unruly passengers onboard airplanes. I can attest to that from my own colored history in this industry. Back then though, we kept it quiet. It was the policy. We didn't have cell phones and instant access to the press or places like this to incite opinion. But trust me I have broken up fights on airplanes, watched hookers ply their trade on my 707's, and had my life threatened more than once on a 747 when I took someone's booze away.

People don't change, they just metamorphosis.


User currently offlineBDKLEZ From Ireland, joined Jun 2005, 1735 posts, RR: 10
Reply 20, posted (8 years 2 months 2 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 6302 times:

Quoting Notdownnlocked (Reply 16):
I am not being condescending to anyone.

No? It sounded pretty much like that to me.

Quoting Notdownnlocked (Reply 16):
No need for the bleeding hearts

It's called respect for others. I assume you'd have difficulty bringing yourself to have respect for anyone other than those who take home a similar salary to yourself.


Quoting Notdownnlocked (Reply 16):
Lower the fares and you can get those that were already crazy onboard not those that go crazy once they are aboard.

You're repeating youself albeit using different words. It's still looking down your nose at people. So if the fares were kept higher then the crazies (ie folks who couldn't afford it) wouldn't bother because it's too expensive, is that what you're saying?

Quoting Notdownnlocked (Reply 17):
You say "just as it is not." I have to disagree with you a 100% there buddy.

Yet again, another example of how "superior" you believe yourself to be which really is the fundamental problem here in your argument.

Quoting Notdownnlocked (Reply 17):
Reread my example I gave you in reply 9.

No need to as this is what I'm referring to in my reply 11.



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User currently offlineNotdownnlocked From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 919 posts, RR: 1
Reply 21, posted (8 years 2 months 2 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 6238 times:

Quoting BDKLEZ (Reply 20):



Quoting BDKLEZ (Reply 20):
Quoting Notdownnlocked (Reply 16):
I am not being condescending to anyone.

No? It sounded pretty much like that to me.

Quoting Notdownnlocked (Reply 16):
No need for the bleeding hearts

It's called respect for others. I assume you'd have difficulty bringing yourself to have respect for anyone other than those who take home a similar salary to yourself.


Quoting Notdownnlocked (Reply 16):
Lower the fares and you can get those that were already crazy onboard not those that go crazy once they are aboard.

You're repeating youself albeit using different words. It's still looking down your nose at people. So if the fares were kept higher then the crazies (ie folks who couldn't afford it) wouldn't bother because it's too expensive, is that what you're saying?

Quoting Notdownnlocked (Reply 17):
You say "just as it is not." I have to disagree with you a 100% there buddy.

Yet again, another example of how "superior" you believe yourself to be which really is the fundamental problem here in your argument.

Quoting Notdownnlocked (Reply 17):
Reread my example I gave you in reply 9.

No need to as this is what I'm referring to in my reply 11.

Wow!!! You know my salary??? I thought only my wife and my coworkers and my supervisor knew my salary. Damn, I guess the cat is really out of the bag. That sucks and I am shocked?!?!? Who else knows what I make? Damn!!!
I have worked in this industry for a little while now and I see everyday the things that go on within the confines of my local airport and airline and I stand behind my words that when you lower the fare you permit second class people aboard. I never stated that ALL that pay lower fares are 2nd class people it's just that when you lower the fare to a certain level you allow 2nd and 3rd class people aboard. Just because someone makes less money than another doesn't mean they are less of a classy or dignified person and don't know how to conduct themselves in public. I know many that don't make much money yet they are perfectly content in life. Having money doesn't lead to class nor does not having money mean having no class. It merely means that when you lower the fares you set yourself up to welcoming any all aboard your aircraft. Lower the fares even more and you can get the bottom rungs of humanity on board your planes. Better yet, how about free flights for all. Who do you expect to show up to your ticket counter then and what would you expect of them at 35k feet?


User currently offlineEirjet From Ireland, joined Jul 2005, 330 posts, RR: 1
Reply 22, posted (8 years 2 months 2 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 6215 times:

Quoting FlyGuyClt (Reply 3):
With fares this low. What do you expect?

So we are saying that 'crazy' people fly because of low fares?

Quoting Bennett123 (Reply 18):
I think that the class of passengers has gone down.

Low fares has indeed opened up what was once a transport service reserved for the rich classes - however the class of passenger is no reflection of the unruly behaviour being witnessed on flights.

There have being many incidents of 'high-class' people behaving unruly during flight.

From what I read here, some believe that LCC stands for 'Lowlife Council Customers'.

LCC is not the cause for incidents like this, it is a lower standard of social behaviour and manners, this is found in both 'high-class' and 'low-class' people the world over.

Eirjet



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User currently offlineContrails From United States of America, joined Oct 2000, 1829 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (8 years 2 months 2 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 6180 times:

I think it's just indicative of the times we are living in. I can't speak for other countries, but in the United States craziness is pandemic.

Imo, each and every time someone pulls a stunt like this on a plane they should receive a hefty prison sentence so they can think about what they did.



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User currently offlineBDKLEZ From Ireland, joined Jun 2005, 1735 posts, RR: 10
Reply 24, posted (8 years 2 months 2 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 6098 times:

Quoting Notdownnlocked (Reply 21):
Wow!!! You know my salary??? I thought only my wife and my coworkers and my supervisor knew my salary. Damn, I guess the cat is really out of the bag. That sucks and I am shocked?!?!?

A few lines of nonsense to make up for a discernable lack of valid content.
Snore.  zzz 

You must be under the infuence of alcohol or drugs because the following is what you have quoted; one statement directly after another.

Quoting Notdownnlocked (Reply 21):
I stand behind my words that when you lower the fare you permit second class people aboard

OK, that's your opinion.

Quoting Notdownnlocked (Reply 21):
I never stated that ALL that pay lower fares are 2nd class people

Yes you did. See above.

Quoting Notdownnlocked (Reply 21):
it's just that when you lower the fare to a certain level you allow 2nd and 3rd class people aboard

Oh, and here we have it again.

Quoting Notdownnlocked (Reply 21):
Lower the fares even more and you can get the bottom rungs of humanity on board your planes.

Who do think you are to feel you have the right to put anyone in such a box called "The bottom rung of humanity"? Yet again, and I shall quote myself...

Quoting BDKLEZ (Reply 11):
How utterly patronising and condecending of you!

I think I have noticed your problem.

Quoting Notdownnlocked (Reply 21):
have worked in this industry for a little while now and I see everyday the things that go on within the confines of my local airport and airline

I'd be interested to hear how your career has progressed having worked in the airline industry for "a little while now" or have you always worked within the confines of your "local airport and airline"?. I suspect you have, judging by your apparent lack of broad-based tolerance of others. Maybe you just need to get out more.

Quoting Treeny (Reply 23):
people seem to change the minute they step into an airport. They become stressed, impatient and nervous for some reason, as is the case at baggage claim for example....

I think guys if you found out why this change occurs, you'll also find the answer to this thread!!

Very interesting point, and one which I have considered also. I think it's possible that it's to do with lack of control and being entirely at the discretion of the airport/carrier as to what you are "subjected to" when you arrive at the airport.

Which check-in desk, which gate, where's security, why's the aircraft not here yet, the aircraft's late, I'm going to miss my meeting, there's only Diet Coke left left on board - I hate that stuff etc etc etc.

All of these are potential annoyances and the passenger in question is completely powerless to do anything about any of them. It's pure frustration and the only way do overcome that frustration as much as possible, is to arrive at the airport as early as possible and allow yourself plenty of time in order to get through these individual annoyances in as relaxed a mood as possible.



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25 Muttley35 : In my humble opinion there are any number of reasons why peoples behaviour aboard aircraft has changed/is changing. If you put aside those with mental
26 Access-Air : Enuff Said My Friend, Enuff Said!!!! Access-Air
27 FATFlyer : I put it in the same category as road rage and other items that have popped up in US society in the past decade or so. It has nothing to do with the
28 Rdwelch : I actually had an incident on an NK flight DEN-FLL a couple of years back. Drunk pax tried to pay for a $5 drink with a $100 bill. F/A in advertenly g
29 Ctbarnes : I wonder if this has more to do with every single irregular incident getting over reported then it does with the actual prevelence of unruly behavior.
30 Starrion : "I put it in the same category as road rage and other items that have popped up in US society in the past decade or so. It has nothing to do with the
31 Rdwelch : Father, well put. The entire process and enviroment lends itself to sensory overload. It's the ability of that individual to handle said stress that
32 Post contains images SATX : Where is your First Class membership? I guess you're just a second-class punk like the rest of us then?
33 FATFlyer : True, but I don't consider myself well-versed on current culture and behavior in the UK or some other countries that I don't deal with for work. So I
34 Aerofan : Perhaps most of it is also due to the entitlement culture that we in American find ourselves. There are a couple of really crazy on meds people who fl
35 YYZYYT : I would say there is no increase in the behaviour, just more reporting, and I blame the internet. These days, too much cable / online news capacity an
36 Rdwelch : clever.
37 Bennett123 : Eirjet To repeat the point that I made before class and money are two entirely separate issues. Look at the behaviour of some so called celebraties.
38 Redneckslim : Perhaps, my good fellow, the chap availed of one of those $10 knocking shoppe joy romps the morning of the flight, then whilst at the loo with willie
39 Jhooper : Just about every time I fly through New York, I see somebody copping an attitude. Sometimes it's the pax, sometimes it's the agent, usually it's both.
40 Post contains images HAWK21M : Its the Individual Attitude that counts. regds MEL
41 Markdirk : This is not the first time on NK this has happend, it is near standard on flights to or from LGA. It is well known throughtout the NK flight attendant
42 Afconcorde1 : Everytime it's NY. (And I have every right to say that because I live in NY.)
43 Ctbarnes : Probably a futile gesture given their track record, but has anyone reported this to the FAA? Charles, SJ
44 Markdirk : Any event on these flights which required assistance from the authorities was reported, by law it has to be, however on many occassions when we have
45 Post contains images Tmatt95 : I don't understand how people are equating money with how people act . I hope that the people that have these opinions are not as shallow as they infe
46 Ctbarnes : I don't believe there is a correlation, particularly if you look at how many wealthy first-class passengers become total pricks when they board an ai
47 Notdownnlocked : Well I invite you to revisit post 41 and my previous post where I mentioned that if I gave tickets to those who would be willing to trade half a bott
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