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Aer Lingus Long-haul Decision - It's...  
User currently offlineBackfire From Germany, joined Oct 2006, 0 posts, RR: 0
Posted (8 years 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 18427 times:

...a pair of A330s. Delivery to take place in 2007.

[Edited 2006-02-09 16:26:07]

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User currently offlineAMSMAN From Ireland, joined Jan 2002, 1016 posts, RR: 6
Reply 1, posted (8 years 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 18325 times:

Just read this on RTE's website http://www.rte.ie/business/2006/0209/aerlingus.html

Anyone know of any new destinations?



Aer Lingus, Proud to be Irish.
User currently offlineBestWestern From Hong Kong, joined Sep 2000, 7123 posts, RR: 57
Reply 2, posted (8 years 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 18285 times:

New aircraft too....

(According to RTE they have gone for the A3-30 version! is that the one with the audi cockpit)

[Edited 2006-02-09 16:39:00]


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User currently offlineMarBergi From Ireland, joined Aug 2004, 182 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (8 years 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 18173 times:

While this is great news I found it this quote interesting:

Quote:

Chief executive Dermot Mannion said Aer Lingus was continuing to look at new 'long-haul fleet opportunities' from Airbus and Boeing.

So this looks like, as previously discussed in another thread like an interim solution while the real decisionis being weighed up. However, I like other will have to admit that given EI's recent history and current fleet future order looks Airbus's for the losing.

[Edited 2006-02-09 17:06:32]

User currently offlineShamrock350 From Ireland, joined Mar 2005, 6334 posts, RR: 14
Reply 4, posted (8 years 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 18074 times:

Only two? Well at least we have some news on what Aer Lingus are planning. So the A350 is looking more and more like the choice for Aer Lingus.

User currently offlineOyKIE From Norway, joined Jan 2006, 2732 posts, RR: 4
Reply 5, posted (8 years 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 17942 times:

Quoting BestWestern (Reply 2):
New aircraft too....

(According to RTE they have gone for the A3-30 version! Is that the one with the audi cockpit)

It is the new 30 liter engine A3, with largest engine ever to be put in a compact car and more than 2200BHP without supercharger. so powerful that with a payload of 4 passengers and one pilot, the car just jumps over the Pond from Ireland, to the east coast in a relatively short time.



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User currently offlineSmokeyrosco From Ireland, joined Dec 2005, 2112 posts, RR: 13
Reply 6, posted (8 years 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 17807 times:

It's a pity it wasn't 4 as quoted in

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/newspaper/0,,176-2003500,00.html

but i'd imagine they couldn't afford four right now.



John Hancock
User currently offlineShamrock350 From Ireland, joined Mar 2005, 6334 posts, RR: 14
Reply 7, posted (8 years 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 17807 times:

So are we talking A330-200s, with new seats, new IFE, and an updated business product? Aer Lingus are really moving foward I mean next month they are starting services to Dubai, ordering new aircraft, expanding in Europe and lowering prices!

User currently offlineEI321 From Iraq, joined Jul 2009, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (8 years 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 17785 times:

Quoting Smokeyrosco (Reply 6):
It's a pity it wasn't 4 as quoted in

The other two probably are options.


User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32736 posts, RR: 72
Reply 9, posted (8 years 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 17755 times:

Can't wait to see them in Miami. Supposedly, they should be announcing Miami-Dublin by May.


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User currently offlineSmokeyrosco From Ireland, joined Dec 2005, 2112 posts, RR: 13
Reply 10, posted (8 years 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 17755 times:

the main news page on RTE got A330's right but also says

Quote:
The deal is subject to final negotiations with Airbus.

http://www.rte.ie/news/2006/0209/aerlingus.html



John Hancock
User currently offlineEirjet From Ireland, joined Jul 2005, 330 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (8 years 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 17735 times:

There was an article in one of the papers during the week about some hitch on the Dubai route - visa processing or something or other!

Anyone know about it??



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User currently offlineShamrock350 From Ireland, joined Mar 2005, 6334 posts, RR: 14
Reply 12, posted (8 years 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 17649 times:

Quoting Eirjet (Reply 11):
There was an article in one of the papers during the week about some hitch on the Dubai route - visa processing or something or other!

Hope it's nothing too bad! They still have a month to sort things out. The fares on the Dubai routes are nice and low!


User currently offlineEI321 From Iraq, joined Jul 2009, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (8 years 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 17568 times:

There is no Irish consulate in Dubai, the nearest is in Saudi Arabia, so getting a visa if your coming to Ireland direct from Dubai could be a pain. No problems for Irish travalers goiing to Dubai.

User currently offlinePilot21 From Ireland, joined Oct 1999, 1384 posts, RR: 2
Reply 14, posted (8 years 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 17472 times:

EI's website just says A330 as well, no mention of type and the Airbus web page won't be updated for a few days, any word from Toulouse on the variant?


Aircraft I've flown: A300/A310/A320/A321/A330/A340/B727/B732/B733/B734/B735/B738/B741/B742/B744/DC10/MD80/IL62/Bae146/AR
User currently offlineBestWestern From Hong Kong, joined Sep 2000, 7123 posts, RR: 57
Reply 15, posted (8 years 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 17442 times:

1 x 333
1 x 332

Carrier to add three new US routes this november


And from EI.com

agreement is subject to final contractual discussions with both Airbus and General Electric, which will be completed shortly.

Both aircraft will be delivered in mid 2007 and will be based at Dublin airport. It is expected that the two new aircraft will service new long haul destinations, in anticipation of bi-lateral changes.

This brings to nine the number of Airbus A330 long haul aircraft in Aer Lingus' fleet. The airline presently has twenty-seven short haul aircraft of which six are Airbus A321s and twenty- one A320s.

"This is an important interim step for Aer Lingus and demonstrates our commitment to developing and enhancing our long haul network.

In the meantime, our evaluation of new generation long haul fleet opportunities from both Airbus and Boeing continues."



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User currently offlinePilot21 From Ireland, joined Oct 1999, 1384 posts, RR: 2
Reply 16, posted (8 years 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 17395 times:

Thanks BestWestern, any colour on whether the A333 is the X model or not?(It should be to allow them serve the mid US routes with decent capacity. DFW/ORD etc)


Aircraft I've flown: A300/A310/A320/A321/A330/A340/B727/B732/B733/B734/B735/B738/B741/B742/B744/DC10/MD80/IL62/Bae146/AR
User currently offlineBestWestern From Hong Kong, joined Sep 2000, 7123 posts, RR: 57
Reply 17, posted (8 years 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 17332 times:

Quoting Pilot21 (Reply 16):
any colour on whether the A333 is the X model or not

Nothing on this, sorry.



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User currently offlineKL808 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 1584 posts, RR: 2
Reply 18, posted (8 years 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 17301 times:

Quoting Pilot21 (Reply 16):
any colour on whether the A333 is the X model or not

It must be, why bother and get the short legged regular version.

Drew



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User currently offlinePoitin From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (8 years 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 17262 times:

Quoting Pilot21 (Reply 16):
Thanks BestWestern, any colour on whether the A333 is the X model or not?(It should be to allow them serve the mid US routes with decent capacity. DFW/ORD etc)

They don't say in their press release which says:

"Aer Lingus, "The low fares, way better" airline, today announced that it has signed a letter of intent with Airbus to purchase two new Airbus A330 long haul aircraft powered by General Electric CF6 engines. The agreement is subject to final contractual discussions with both Airbus and General Electric, which will be completed shortly."

I assume "Long Haul" means ORD or maybe even LAX, which is in range of the A333 from DUB. As I remember IE uses the A332 for LAX DUB, so the extra seats would be nice.


User currently offlineEI321 From Iraq, joined Jul 2009, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (8 years 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 16959 times:

Hmmmm.....An A333 - Ive a feeling thats for MIA and/or CPT. Well Airbus have won the interm battle...but will they win the war? This is a good hint that they will.

User currently offlinePoitin From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (8 years 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 16497 times:

Quoting EI321 (Reply 20):
Hmmmm.....An A333 - Ive a feeling thats for MIA and/or CPT. Well Airbus have won the interm battle...but will they win the war? This is a good hint that they will.

If my maps are correct, the longest distance IE flys is DUB-LAX, which is about
8300 km. That is in the range of the A333 and certainly the A332. But where is the capacity needed of a A333? My guess is JFK (lots of Irish in that area) as is BOS. LAX should be a stronger route than it is, but according to the IE website, they fly it only a three times a week. On the other hand, several IE flights for Feb are already sold out between DUB and BOS. Maybe

As for MIA, why? Maybe Orlando for Disneyland. Lots of my relatives are going there this winter while the Euro is still up over the USD.

As for Airbus having IE in their pocket, I agree. IE is Airbus's to loose, but they will have to work at it hard.


User currently offlineKaitak From Ireland, joined Aug 1999, 12435 posts, RR: 37
Reply 22, posted (8 years 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 16497 times:

There's no point in getting a non-X A330-300, so I would think it would be a -303X.

Will they actually start three routes this Winter? I was wondering that (hence the question!) and whether they would be adding more capacity this Winter (the new 330s not coming until next year). They might add one or two this Winter (Florida and SFO, perhaps), but they'll also want to increase the DXB frequency.

Remember that they can rejig their schedules and add new DUB n/s without adding from SNN, but I'm not sure they can actually reduce the number of flights out of SNN (for political reasons).

Things are moving in the right direction - and not before time!

With John Leahy having pointed to a major flaw in the 350 (well, one of them), I wonder if EI will go down that road. Remember that as an interim aircraft, the 330 is ideal; no new type ratings and they can get a fine aircraft that can operate the routes they want.

It doesn't automaticall mean they're automatically going for 350s (it certainly points towards it), but if they want to go down the LH-loco route, the 787 is a better choice; the ability to configure the acft for nine abreast (c.40 more seats on a 787-10) must give the type a big advantage in seat mile costs - and that is important.


User currently offlineEIRules From Ireland, joined Aug 2007, 773 posts, RR: 10
Reply 23, posted (8 years 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 16312 times:

I wouldn't be at all surprised if we didnt see just one new route announced and the other aircraft used as a stand-in while their current A333s are updated for an improved business class


Next Flights: EI DUB-LHR A320, BA LHR-SFO B744, UA SFO-LAS A320, BA LAS-LHR B744, EI LHR-DUB A320
User currently offlineBestWestern From Hong Kong, joined Sep 2000, 7123 posts, RR: 57
Reply 24, posted (8 years 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 16106 times:

Quoting EIRules (Reply 23):
I wouldn't be at all surprised if we didnt see just one new route announced and the other aircraft used as a stand-in while their current A333s are updated for an improved business class

A winter start would point to florida. Summer might see Detroit, a West Coast launch and PHL.



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25 Smokeyrosco : OK this is kinda off topic but i don't want to waste an entire new thread on it, but why are CO bringing in two 752's to DUB this summer instread of t
26 Kaitak : They're doing the same to SNN as well (yes, and flights from SNN to the US with CO are actually quite cheap this Summer!). It's a pain because the 757
27 Post contains images Shamrock350 : Aer Lingus flights are getting cheaper, they are flying more passengers and punctuality is now 91% on-time and 99% within 60 minutes. Things are looki
28 Poitin : Why do you feel so strongly about this? Just curious. Unless something has changed, SNN will be on their "must visit" list for political reasons. I h
29 MAH4546 : Key oneworld hub, good trans-Atlantic yields, strong year-round market, huge local to Europe travel market that would benefit from Aer Lingus more af
30 Copaair737 : Will SFO get announced soon? I really can't wait to see that Irish Green metal at SFO's Intl. Terminal. EI has one of the best liveries in the sky tod
31 Poitin : MIA is a major hub alright, but to South and Central America. Are there that many Irishmen going there? You could be right, but I think going to Disn
32 MAH4546 : People who want to go to Disney World (Disneyland is in California) can easily connect in Miami onto a 35 minute flight to Orlando. MIA offers a much
33 LY777 : this is boring news...I thought it would be A350s or 787s
34 Post contains images Shamrock350 : Boring it may be, but you just have to wait a few months and we will have a post saying "Aer Lingus have ordered the A350" or "Aer Lingus have ordere
35 Poitin : Unless you are heading to South and Central American, there is no reason to go to MIA for a hub. If you want to hub into the southeast of the USA, yo
36 Keego : I dont know about MIA, they already have flights to MCO in the summer so the Disneyland angle seems to be covered. At a guess i think would be SFO and
37 Poitin : I think flights to MCO from Ireland are more likely in the winter than summer, but that is just my relatives opinion. Personally, I would love a SFO
38 BestWestern : No open skies yet with Canada.
39 MAH4546 : I guess we'll see by early 2007, when Aer Lingus will likely be flying to Miami, not Orlando. I don't see what is so hard to understand. Miami in its
40 ScottB : It's not just about increasing capacity; Continental's widebody fleet is already stretched about as far as it can go, and the only way to free up mor
41 Poitin : Not many Irish is Miami, me boyo. Doubt MIA completely. And even if MIA is a 'huge local market to Europe", which I doubt, it is not an IRISH market.
42 Post contains images OB1504 : Miami, though, is a major AA hub (not just to Latin America), and theoretically, one can get to most major cities in the United States with one MIA co
43 UsAirways16bwi : Is EI re-starting BWI service? They pulled out of here some time ago, i dont know why.
44 MAH4546 : Go ahead and doubt the huge local market to Europe that MIA has. You think MIA supports service to Amsterdam, Paris, London, Manchestser, Madrid, Tel
45 Aerlinguscargo : Wasn't this order pegged at 4 330s last month? Any idea what happened. D
46 Poitin : I know the demographics of the Irish in America quite well. Some 40% of all Americans have more than 10% Irish blood in them, and some 20% have an Ir
47 MAH4546 : Then you will be very surprised at where Aer Lingus will be flying by mid-2007, because pending some last minute change in the plans, SFO and MIA wil
48 Post contains images Shamrock350 : I'm not sure if they could afford all 4 A330s so 2 of them is fine for now but I was looking foward to an order of 3 or 4 aircraft but the end of Feb
49 EI321 : EI have wanted to fly to MIA for many years but have been unable to do so. AA have been considering it also (MIA - DUB) but dont like the SNN stopove
50 Kaitak : Guys, relax! They have three new cities they can serve from this November; they can presumably add as many as they want from 2008, but focusing on Nov
51 CamAir : Yes. I've seen many one-way fares, all-inclusive, from the USA - including LAX - to DUB for about £110. (AA, CO, etc., have similar deals.)
52 Post contains images Shamrock350 : That what I really like about the "new" Aer Lingus, many of my family in Ireland still seem to think that Aer Lingus are the "expensive one" but I al
53 Joost : You are right, but there is no need for that. It's a fairly large detour flying from DUB via MIA to another American city. They can way better connec
54 EI321 : Regards the whole new routes speculation, Willie Walsh discussed it publically on rte 'prime time' show about 18mths ago, which was doing a special on
55 Post contains images BHXDTW : Where do you get this info from ? Although having said that there is just one acft in the fleet with PTV's...As I so painfully found out last Friday
56 Post contains images EI321 : If you look at the current EI code share agreement with AA the following cities can be booked straight from the EI website: DFW, DEN, STL, SAN, SFO, S
57 Post contains images BHXDTW : Sorry mate, thats what I meant, I should have been a little clearer.. I doubted EI made High yields in the front as most passengers would most likely
58 Pilot21 : Today's Irish Times mentions SFO and Philly as the first 2 new routes for next yr. Philly would be a surprise given that it has been below the main ra
59 Post contains links and images Shamrock350 : That is the danger for EI but if they use EI-DAA, keep fares low and advertise well, there will be no real problem but they must improve the service
60 CamAir : How many Irish people live in Australia (primarily in Melbourne, I think)? I believe a lot of Irish people visit Australia for tourism reasons. Is Tha
61 EI321 : Its hard to say. The LA flight is still quite a bit longer. Roumer has it that a second 332 is in maintanance getting ptvs installed at the moment, I
62 Shamrock350 : When the Boxing Day Wave hit that area, I remember hearing many, many Irish people were stuck over there. So maybe it's mainly winter that Irish peop
63 BHXDTW : Thats true, but I dont think they could afford to keep fares too much lower as they will want to create a profit eventually... When did EI receive th
64 Poitin : Yes, it does and so does Toronto and Montana (mainly due to the Anaconda mine). However, I just don't see EI screwing with the sweet deal they have w
65 Shamrock350 : It was 1994 (I think) three A330s in all. With the new A330s, the Boeing 747s were sold. They replaced the old 747s
66 EI321 : The First EI A330 was delivered in 1994 so the EI A333s are some of the earliest ones. The original order was for three. They were originally Air Int
67 Post contains links and images Smokeyrosco : Also, They used to have 8 330's but EI-SHN (i think it was) was returned after 9/11 and other aircraft where also due to be returned as far as I remem
68 CarbHeatIn : If EI can co-ordinate it with AA properly there is huge potential for onward connections to the Caribbean from MIA, more so than South America.
69 Shamrocka330 : Airbus A330-301... EI-SHN Delivered 02/05/1994 Now flying with Air Madrid EI-DUB Delivered 11/05/1994 EI-CRK Delivered 17/11/1994 EI-JFK Delivered 11
70 LTU932 : IMO it can only be the -303X because AFAIK that's the only A333 Airbus is currently building. Great news for EI but I still wonder why only 2? Wouldn
71 Trex8 : CI are taking delivery still of -302s with -A4 engines and QR 302X with A4Bs which have the same thrust as the -A3 on the 303.
72 Kaitak : There seems to be some "slight" inconsistency in the Airbus nomenclature. Unlike Boeing which gives numbers to specific customers (-48 for EI, -44 to
73 EI321 : There are several reasons, perhaps 1. The airline Could only secure funds for two aircraft, or want to resurve the remaining funds for a 787/A350 ord
74 BigGSFO : EI could maximize their west coast presence but flying triangle routes: DUB-LAX-SFO-DUB and vv. three days/week each. I am agreeing with the consensus
75 Smokeyrosco : And probably right too, as the government seems to have gotten in early with the Irish small steps to open skies between the ireland and the US unlik
76 Poitin : I doubt that they (EI) will be permitted to carry passengers between LAX and SFO but I would love a SFO - DUB flight, myself. I still disagree with t
77 MAH4546 : Of course they wouldn't, but that wouldn't nessecarily stop them from flying a route like that. Plenty of international airlines run domestic segment
78 Trex8 : the last number A330-xxx actually refers to specific engine type with usually increasing thrust having a higher number, so for any GE powered A333-30
79 Trex8 : 10000Km(5400nm), maybe with no payload and a 200 knot tailwind! range of A330 was discussed recently in another thread, real life ranges are more lik
80 BHXDTW : Aaah I see.... so Im thinking how much would it cost to fit EI's ex Air Inter acft with PTV's ?? I know its not a huge deal for an airline to operate
81 Trex8 : thats because they have some of the oldest 744s, they were the launch customer. Plus they are cheap, oh sorry, Minnesota frugal!
82 Post contains links and images Poitin : Sorry, I was not clear. I was thinking DUB-BKK-MEL DUB-BKK is about 10,000 KM, which is 5400 NM, so maybe not. I did not see that thread or where tha
83 Poitin : What is that aircraft's range and is it ETOPS certified? IF true, then AA might have a good use for their 757's as the route would probably be thin f
84 Poitin : You do have a point, but the question is if EI could afford to fly such a route given the cost of fuel today? Assuming a LAX-SFO-SNN-DUB and the back
85 MAH4546 : They are ETOPs certified, of course. I don't know the range, but it is more than a standard 757ER thanks to the winglets. The route is not too thin f
86 Planemanofnz : Not just Australia, but New Zealand aswell! Both of my parents are Irish and we have alot of family friends residing here in Auckland who are Irish a
87 Poitin : Franky, I find that hard to believe. Do you have any figures to support your claim? As for connection opportunities in DUB, what? Much better to go t
88 MAH4546 : We are just going to have to agree to disagree, and we'll see how Aer Lingus does at MIA when they launch it. The route will do very well. It provide
89 Trex8 : with zero headwinds, nowhere near maximum payload, minimal reserves its probably true but real life airline operations may find you planning much sho
90 Smokeyrosco : I'm kinda wondering does anyone here think that AA may have pissed off EI coming to the Irish marked, I mean they are coming from two of EI's destina
91 Post contains links Kaitak : I think the problem for AA and indeed for DL, is that there's sod all chance of making money on domestic routes for widebodies, so it made more sense
92 Post contains links and images LTU932 : Yet the A340-600HGW is supposed to be designated A340-642X, and not -643X, even though the HGW will have uprated Trent 500s at 60,000 lbs thrust each
93 Post contains links Poitin : More likely I will be flying SFO - DUB before you can go MIA - DUB on EI It appears EI has MIA well down on the list. http://www.thepost.ie/post/page
94 Poitin : People can be short sighted, and there are egos involved. Right now EI is using AA for many markets in the USA. If you go to the EI website an look a
95 Poitin : Whose website? I did not find this at Airbus.com but I could have easily missed it, given their navigation.
96 Poitin : There is something here I am missing, and that is when did all this happen? There are a bunch of AA/EI code sharing listed on EI website, or are you
97 MAH4546 : Way down on the list? Hardly. Again, we'll agree to disagree.
98 Kaitak : MIA is a place EI will certainly look at; don't forget that a lot of Irish people have property in Florida, or like to visit the US to rent properties
99 Poitin : When you get that done, maybe you can come over here and help us with the Wright amendment. As for Florida as a hot place for Irish to visit, in my e
100 B752OS : I was wondering if BOS would eventually get to see a non-stop to DUB. Right now all they have is the daily flight into SNN.
101 Kaitak : We could devote a whole thread to that (people already have!), but I do think that the Wright Amendment is a disgrace, much like I think that the Japa
102 Kaitak : Sorry, B752OS, my reply was to Poitin's comment on the Wright amendment; I didn't see yours when I posted! I think we will certainly see EI flights (i
103 Poitin : They are Irish -- at least their grandfathers were. As for your comments about Canada -- Right on! This really surprises me because DL 128/129 goes A
104 Keego : It just makes more sense, there seems to be a large market in Canada. but as is quoted above there is no open skies means that probebly wont happen f
105 Post contains images Poitin : Maybe we can turn Kaitak loose on the Canadians. However, Canada should be a really good market for EI.
106 Post contains images Keego : Could be fun Im just back from a 3 month stay in Vancouver and there is a huge Irish population and people who are "50%" Irish, i reckon Toronto has
107 Kaitak : I think it actually will happen quite quickly once US "Open Skies" is in place. Don't forget that while there is O/S with the US, it may be easier to
108 Kaitak : Thanks Poitin; since I work for a Canadian bank, that might be interesting ... I'm always angling for a trip out west (preferably not in Winter, thoug
109 Keego : When was the last time the Irish government ever considered reality to exist. If it takes 10 years to plan the building of a simple stadium (Landsdow
110 Post contains links Kaitak : It will do very little of its own volition; this is why I emphasis the importance of "pitchfork" mode. Mostly the EU does this - Open Skies for exampl
111 Poitin : I, amongst other things, am a geneaogist and family historian for my little clan in Co Cavan. I have about five generations of data on my family, and
112 Post contains links Keego : While were on the subject of new routes for EI what do you make of the expected announcment of a direct flight between Dublin and Bangkok. http://www.
113 Kaitak : I certainly wouldn't rule BKK out; BKK would be a very good regional hub (despite the fact that it isn't in the same alliance as TG); there are connec
114 Poitin : I am sure we will all be mystified at what they do. Too much politics yet.
115 Post contains images Shamrock350 : They always do! I thought it was for 11-15 A350s with A330s as interim and from the current 21 A320s to 42 A320s and even a few A319s. The A321s are
116 Btriple7 : This is all great news. Sorry I haven't replied at all to this thread. I've been very busy this week. Yeah for Aer Lingus!!! Best Regards, Btriple7
117 Post contains images Poitin : Ah, to be sure someone's been in the poitín if that be their plan. What are they going to do for money for all them airplanes, take a loan out from
118 Post contains images Shamrock350 : I think they are planning all those aircraft after they get privatized. Aer Lingus should stick little leprechauns on the door of all their new aircr
119 EIRules : That article also says that Ireland has a bilateral with Singapore which has only recently been updated. Firstly, what was the point in a bilateral if
120 Post contains images Smokeyrosco : there is an SQ 747 in DUB a couple of times a week.
121 EI787 : The SQ 747 actually comes into DUB every day. It is a cargo plane though.
122 EIRules : Yeah I knew about the 747 cargo service, meant passenger service
123 Keego : Since when does the SQ747 come in everyday I thought it was only on Wed and Sun trough Copenhagen??
124 Poitin : I don't think the little people would be very good FAs. And given that most of the Leprechauns have long ago moved to Zurich and gone into banking, (
125 EI321 : I believe its up to x4 per week now, returns via CPH but I think it lands direct from SIN, I could be wrong though. Its hard to get solid DUB cargo i
126 Poitin : I still ask, where does he get the money for all these airplanes? About the worst place to invest is in air transport, given the return on investment
127 Bartond : Interesting article way up there at the top of the thread about to where in the US Aer Lingus is looking at flying. I thought DFW was just a pipe drea
128 Smokeyrosco : EI is still cost cutting and still needs to lose a rather large portion of the workforce. They have also been valued at 1bn euro of which would be a
129 Shamrock350 : Do you think that some of those may be A319s? Most of their flights around Europe are about 70-75% full and maybe A319s would be good for them.
130 Smokeyrosco : I don't know, the company has never hinted at this, but it does make perfect sense, on certain routes or even for route proving the 319 is ideal they
131 EI321 : There are several sources. EI will be worth about 1 billion in a sale. The remaining 1 billion will be sourced through banks probably. EIs last big o
132 Keego : Ill find out what the schedule is, my dad works on the ramp in DUB. i was once in the cockpit of the SQ744 when it was in. very impressive cargo hold
133 Post contains links Poitin : The April 14 2005 PR said 83 million euro. This is a SMALL profit. Roughly 9 Euros per passenger. A very thin margin. Given that it is a real profit
134 CarbHeatIn : Aer Arann has a significant problem sourcing and retaining suitable pilots. Recently, a significant number have left to join jet operators. The airli
135 Post contains links Smokeyrosco : actually, I'm sure that was 2003. 2004 was 107 million euro profit www.aerlingus.com The main problem with EI costs is that they have difficulty reso
136 Kaitak : Sure, the fuel price is a concern to all airlines, but look at the UK, where gas prices are going to rise significantly ... won't mean that people won
137 Smokeyrosco : That link won't work for me but this is extracted from EI's Website.
138 Poitin : Aer Arann is like any regional I know, they pay next to nothing. However, EI had in about 4,000 employees at the end of 2004 (all EI had posted was t
139 Smokeyrosco : i'm amazed how many Irish flags people have on here.
140 Poitin : That is because we care about "our" airline. I would love to fly SFO-DUB and hope I do soon.
141 Poitin : KAITAK FOR CEO OF EI! I agree completely with you! EI has put far too much into the European arena and no where enough in the international arena. Ri
142 Shamrock350 : At least we would have an idea what Aer Lingus were planning and I bet we would all be happy with it! With all those new routes from FR and RE. EI ha
143 EI787 : I was in work experience with the IAA two weeks ago and I asked one of the Air Traffic Controllers about the SQ747 - he said that it does come to Dub
144 Keego : I asked my dad today who works on the ramp and he told me it only comes in 3 times a week. and it might even be cut back to two soon! Incedently it w
145 EIRules : I agree with Shamrock350, EI is fast running out of new short haul routes, especially out of DUB. Moscow would be good but they are already now playin
146 Kaitak : Thanks guys ... nice to have the good word! Oddly, the one thing I always hoped I'd see - but never did was an Aer Lingus plane landing in the greates
147 Keego : Just a note off the point. This thread is getting very very long. It takes a forthnight to scroll to bottom. Just had to get that off my chest.
148 Poitin : Start a second part.
149 Smokeyrosco : haha an EI part II thread, tis music to my ears.
150 Shamrock350 : Is there a second part? I'm confused but I often am. That's why I think they will launch loads of routes out of Cork like they have started doing rece
151 Keego : I dont know how to do that! Im new to the forum.
152 Shamrock350 : Just go to start new topic and start another thread saying "Aer Lingus Long-haul Decision part 2" I'm sure we will all have lots to say seeing as thi
153 Post contains links Kaitak : Or you could try the new thread I've just started ... Aer Lingus Privatisation Stopwatch ... Roll up, roll up, (pull-up, go around ...) And set the fo
154 Smokeyrosco : About the SQ 747, on Wed it lifted off the runway about half way down and shot up like a rocked and we know that DUB's runway isn't the longest in the
155 Poitin : Thank ye lad!
156 CarbHeatIn : Hi Poitin, I have to say I disagree with you. A significant section of EI's long-haul business is derived from low yield, tourist market demand. The
157 SNNUS : Lets see how SNN does when open skies come in, if they can get transatlantic traffic then great , if not they had a good spell, will miss seeing the b
158 BestWestern : The vast vast majority of cargo coming from Asia is inbound. There is a significant amount of excess cargo capacity coming from Europe (and the US) t
159 Toulouse : On this point I 100% agree with you Carbheat, I have always firmly believed that increasing and consolidating its European network is the way to go f
160 N272WA : I remember reading somewhere that EI were looking at Philadelphia as a new US destination. Surely not, given that US have fdaily nonstop flights (albe
161 BestWestern : Not really - ATL DUB has something like 80% connecting traffic, whilst PHL DUB has significant O&D business and significant potential.
162 EI321 : Its true, EI are interested in PHL.
163 Dstc47 : EI cannot run DUB to BWI (tried twice, dropped twice) with the benefit of traffic to the DC / Virginia / Maryland area, including to Washington on bus
164 N272WA : Yes Dstsc, I agree with you 100%. SFO, MIA and SEA make more sense to me. Do what BA did some years ago with a SEA-YVR-DUB route to start with & depen
165 BestWestern : The Irish - Canadian bilateral is really restrictive.
166 SNNUS : EI wont compete too well with U.S at PHL, U.S has 80% Of departures there, and is a major Star Alliance airport. Also i hear U.S are running the route
167 Smokeyrosco : I agree there is mostly from my experience more coming in then going out cargo wise but even still i never seen that 744 lift off the runway that ear
168 Vega : Seems like the criteria should be "underserved", rather than "unserved". If the Market is significantly underserved, due to many variables including
169 Poitin : So, could either of you explain how another 9-11 wikk effect long haul but not short haul? Somehow I doubt that. Anyone who has been to LHR once will
170 BestWestern : Except for the fact that EI is the most profitable (margin wise) network carrier in Europe. This barely profitable rumour simply isnt true. With this
171 Shamrock350 : After 9/11 low cost airlines such as Ryanair and Easyjet were not really affected infact they started to carry more passengers and now that Aer Lingu
172 BestWestern : I'd also add that in times of terror it is the north americans that stay home. The carriers that were most exposed (ASM wise) post 911 were EI and VS,
173 DTWAGENT : Only on thing. USAirways is flying an all Coach B757-200 from PHL to DUB and SNN, GLA this summer. They are pulling their B767-200ER's off these route
174 BestWestern : Thats news to me... very interesting, and explains why there are no business reward seats for later in the summer.
175 Toulouse : I think both Shamrock350 and BestWestern have done a good job explaining this. Poitin, there I totally agree with you, I can't stand LHR. But our poi
176 Post contains links Poitin : Perhaps I missed it, could you repeat what they said what would effect long haul but not short haul if the terrs were grab another airplane and smash
177 Post contains links Poitin : Perhaps I missed it, could you repeat what they said what would effect long haul but not short haul if the terrs were grab another airplane and smash
178 CarbHeatIn : The facts prove otherwise. There are approx. 4000 seats available every day on the DUB-LHR route. 14 EI A-321s and 7 BD A-321s. FR offer 7 737s DUB-S
179 Shamrock350 : Did you mean another terror attack using a European airline and having an attack in Europe, say in Paris or London? If that is what you meant I think
180 Poitin : Since I don't know how many people per day fly through LHR do so because they have no other choice, I can only say that you can't say because people
181 Toulouse : Again Shamrock has answered. Possibly you are referring to a September 11th type attack taking place on European soil, in that case, yes short-haul w
182 Shamrock350 : Exactly my point Toulouse! I think Aer Lingus can survive another terror attack may it be in Europe or any other part of the world but they would suf
183 Post contains links Kaitak : Guys, 181 posts ... and getting slower every time! Could I hold up the marshaller's bats and direct you as follows ... Aer Lingus: Privatisation Stopw
184 CarbHeatIn : Hi Poitin, if significant numbers of people pay a premium to fly through LHR because they "HAVE" to as apposed to they "WANT" to, is the result not th
185 Post contains images CarbHeatIn : Kaitak, surely a successful Lawyer such as yourself has access to Broadband? Or has it not reached the Channel Islands yet?
186 Vega : I think the DUB flight will remain a 767. SNN and GLA are 757s. The 3rd acquired 757 is being used on the PHL-LIS service. I read somewhere that US d
187 BestWestern : Interstingly there are signs of a significant detioration of Trans atlantic traffic ex London in January. This can be see through decilining passenge
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