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Whale Transport From USA To Europe  
User currently offlineRom1 From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2005, 135 posts, RR: 0
Posted (8 years 7 months 1 week 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 9280 times:

Hello!

Does anyone has informations about 2 flights leaving the US today to the Canary Islands? These ase "cargo" flights transporting a total of 4 orcas (Killer Whales) from Sea World Texas and Sea World Orlando, to Tenerife Loro Parque.
No shuch things have been made since the Keiko flight to Iceland and I'm sure not many people have heard of it in San Antonio and Orlando but I was looking for some informations and pictures about the 2 flights!

thanks a lot

Rom1

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User currently offlineFXramper From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 7298 posts, RR: 85
Reply 1, posted (8 years 7 months 1 week 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 9260 times:
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I know that FX has contract services with Sea World Inc. to transport Shamu and others, not sure if we are doing these flights though!

I've personally loaded a DC10 with emu's from an exotic game ranch near AUS!

Drew


User currently offlineJEdward From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 133 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (8 years 7 months 1 week 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 9212 times:

Pardon the question,

But just how exactly does one ship a whale? It seems like quite an endeavor!



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User currently offlineNewark777 From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 9348 posts, RR: 29
Reply 3, posted (8 years 7 months 1 week 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 9212 times:

Quoting JEdward (Reply 2):


But just how exactly does one ship a whale? It seems like quite an endeavor!

Lots of packing peanuts.  Wink

Harry



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User currently offlineBestWestern From Hong Kong, joined Sep 2000, 7149 posts, RR: 57
Reply 4, posted (8 years 7 months 1 week 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 9200 times:

Well this is one segment that airbus has correctly identified  Smile


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User currently offlineRom1 From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2005, 135 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (8 years 7 months 1 week 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 9190 times:

Hi FX ramper

Thanks for your quick reply.
The DC 10 might be too small... not the aircraft but the cargo door must be at least 10m wide for the tank (where the orca "sits"). I could be wrong of course. The orca will probably leave in the evening or night because of all the people in the park.

(For Keiko it was a C17 Globemaster)

I'm surprised not to find any informations on local newspaper around San Antonio... This orca move have been planned for a while now.

Thanks again  Smile

Rom1


User currently offlineRom1 From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2005, 135 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (8 years 7 months 1 week 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 9167 times:

Quoting JEdward (Reply 2):
Pardon the question,

But just how exactly does one ship a whale? It seems like quite an endeavor!

Hi

Normally, they put the whale in a tank, full of water. A couple of "human friends" stay around the whale to give it some water if needed...
They fly the whale in a big cargo plane, hopefully everything goes well, probably they won't try high risk manoeuvres or "free-fall" attempt....
Remember a killer whale is "only" 5 or 6 metres long.


User currently offlineUA933 From Germany, joined Feb 2006, 220 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (8 years 7 months 1 week 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 9061 times:

Does anybody know as to why they are taking them to the Canary Islands?


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User currently offlineRom1 From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2005, 135 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (8 years 7 months 1 week 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 9022 times:

Quoting UA933 (Reply 7):
Does anybody know as to why they are taking them to the Canary Islands?

yes...

they have been sold to the Loro Parque in the Canary Islands, the zoo is expanding and is starting to show killer whales from February 17th.
basically it's an exchange of captive whales... money again stikes back...(anyway it's not really the place to talk about this matter...)


User currently offlineBohica From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 2700 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (8 years 7 months 1 week 4 days ago) and read 8946 times:

Out of curiousity, are these full grown whales or are they younger whales? Obviously a smaller whale would be easier to transport if you call that easy.

User currently offlineCaptainCanuck From Canada, joined Apr 2005, 30 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (8 years 7 months 1 week 4 days ago) and read 8918 times:

Not that big of a deal. My dad transported a Beluga whale from up in the arctic down into lower Canada. Not sure where it was going though. That was in a DC-3 back in the 1970's. Just said it was weird because you could feel the whale move in the water as the weight transfered around.

User currently offlineAeroWeanie From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 1609 posts, RR: 52
Reply 11, posted (8 years 7 months 1 week 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 8706 times:
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There is only one Orca captured in Puget Sound/Straits of Georgia still alive in captivity (Lolita). All the rest in the US came from Iceland. They were all air transported to where they are living now. I seem to remember video footage of some being loaded on a DC-8 in Iceland. Keiko flew from Mexico to Oregon on a UPS C-130 and then from Oregon to Iceland in a USAF C-17 (including two air-to-air refuelings).

We have kayaked with the J, K and L resident Orcas pods in Puget Sound many times. They are very intelligent, friendly and social animals. They really seem to like social contact with humans. We have a hydrophone and enjoy listening to them vocalizing and echo-locating. On the othe hand, the transient Orcas that we occasionally encounter are scary. They are aggresive, but have never been documented attacking a human. We had one charge us several years ago and it only submerged several feet away. It was scary watching it go under our kayak, just a few feet down, with the big eye tracking us the whole time.


User currently offlineFavre From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 595 posts, RR: 9
Reply 12, posted (8 years 7 months 1 week 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 8663 times:

Kalitta Air 747F will transport the whales and sharks..SAT-MCO-TFN...


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User currently offlineRom1 From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2005, 135 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (8 years 7 months 1 week 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 8629 times:

Quoting Favre (Reply 14):
Kalitta Air 747F will transport the whales and sharks..SAT-MCO-TFN...

thanks a lot for this information, I didn't even know about the sharks!

Any more informations about the time and arrival dparture, flight status?
thanks a lot

Rom1


User currently offlineL-188 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 29799 posts, RR: 58
Reply 14, posted (8 years 7 months 1 week 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 8537 times:

Quoting AeroWeanie (Reply 13):
It was scary watching it go under our kayak, just a few feet down, with the big eye tracking us the whole time.

Had that experience in a zodiac with a sea lion once...

Your right...it is spooky.



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User currently offlineRom1 From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2005, 135 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (8 years 7 months 1 week 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 8449 times:

Anyone from Kalitta Air could tell us about the flight?  shy 

User currently offlineRom1 From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2005, 135 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (8 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 8279 times:

Hum.. Apparently the 4 whales are still in Sea World.
The opening ceremony in Tenerife is next Friday, the should hurry...


User currently offlineArt From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2005, 3382 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (8 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 8238 times:

Quoting JEdward (Reply 2):
But just how exactly does one ship a whale?

Not quite sure where you put it. But I know from experience that sardines travel upstairs.


User currently offlineLevent From France, joined Sep 2004, 1718 posts, RR: 5
Reply 18, posted (8 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 8178 times:

I was working at Valencia's airport when they unloaded a pair of Belugas from an Atlas Jet 747-200. The flight came from Miami and the Belugas were going to Valencia´s Oceanografico.

User currently offlineTheSonntag From Germany, joined Jun 2005, 3587 posts, RR: 29
Reply 19, posted (8 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 8168 times:

What about the weight? I guess a tank filled with water and a whale is extremely heavy?!?

User currently offlineIberiadc852 From Spain, joined May 2005, 270 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (8 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 8083 times:

Quoting Rom1 (Reply 18):
Hum.. Apparently the 4 whales are still in Sea World.
The opening ceremony in Tenerife is next Friday, the should hurry...

Hello. Could you please inform when you the departure date?. I am in Tenerife and would like to spot the Kalitta arrival

Thanks.



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User currently offlineRom1 From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2005, 135 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (8 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 8019 times:

Hi IberiaDc852

I would love to, unfortunately I don't know it. From my source, the move is not scheduled for tonight.
The landing in Tenerife will probably be by night however, because the Loro Parque doesn't really want a lot of people to see their orcas in small tanks..
Keep watching the topic, I'll give any information I can about the time of arrival, actually if you could take pictures that would be very very interesting...


to: The Sonntag: These are 4 young whales, maximum weight for each one will lie between 1 and 2 tons


User currently offlineFXramper From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 7298 posts, RR: 85
Reply 22, posted (8 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 8008 times:
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Rom1,

A Orca (killer whale) isn't a huge whale...it's a mammal...and will most definitely fit through our main cargo door on a MD11. Did you ever figure out who flew the beasts?



Drew in AUS.


User currently offlineRom1 From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2005, 135 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (8 years 7 months 1 week 17 hours ago) and read 7909 times:

Quoting FXramper (Reply 24):
Rom1,

A Orca (killer whale) isn't a huge whale...it's a mammal...and will most definitely fit through our main cargo door on a MD11. Did you ever figure out who flew the beasts?

Drew in AUS.

I know the difference between an Orca and a Whale.  Smile
I just didn't know the the MD11 cargo door was that big, I guess you load a MD11 on the side, and a cargo door larger than 5 meters just seem very big. A front loading on a B747 (like Kalitta Air) just seem more appropriate...

For example, looking at this picture: http://www.airliners.net/open.file/0973224/M/
I can't imagine a 5 meters long (at least) tank fit through this door.
However you know better than me on loading a MD11 so I won't assume that I'm right (and let you correct me if I'm wrong  Wink )

What do you mean by "Did you ever figure out who flew the beasts?"...?


User currently offlineCentrair From Japan, joined Jan 2005, 3598 posts, RR: 20
Reply 24, posted (8 years 7 months 1 week 17 hours ago) and read 7896 times:

I have to ask...will they be transporting them in tanks of Transparent Aluminum and can the "human friends" mind-meld with the whales to know if they need anything?


Yes...I am not a KIX fan. Let's Japanese Aviation!
25 Rom1 : yes there should be "human friends" with them all along the journey to Tenerife. Sea World didn't actually sell all 4 orcas, they have a "financiel a
26 Iberiadc852 : Ok. I will keep watching it and I will also do my best to take a photo. I will tell you.
27 Favre : Flight ID : CKS315 Flight No. : 12741 Tail No. : N705CK Equipment : 747 ETD KSAT 2/14/2006 01:00 UTC ETA KMCO 2/14/2006 04:00 UTC ETD KMCO 2/14/2006 0
28 Iberiadc852 : Sorry, but, what does UTC mean? Thank you
29 Post contains images TheSonntag : They won't use outdated transparent Aluminium, instead they will use the much superior transparent composites
30 AMSSFO : Universal Time Coordinated which basically is GMT without Daylight Savings. local time in SAT is UTC-6, so 01:00 UTC means the flight would leave at
31 Centrair : Right...got me there. But I hear that some companies feel that transparent composites are not good in areas where damage could occur such as near the
32 Post contains images Rampart : I doubt it, nor will they need a "nuclear wessel" from which to borrow fuel for the trip home! Say goodnight, "Gracie". -Rampart
33 Rom1 : Hi Centrair, No orcas is pregnent they are too young @ Favre: Thank you very much! I hope everything goes fine for the transport and unloading... @ Ib
34 Iberiadc852 : Don't mention it. About the security, not by the runway fences to see the planes land. In the cargo ramp I don't know.
35 Post contains links and images Rom1 : Here is the answer! http://www.elcanalpirata.com/videos/..._transporte_2006_elcanalpirata.zip (it's a video, format .avi) As you can see the whales a
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