PanAm747LHR From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 240 posts, RR: 1 Posted (9 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 6952 times:
Here's a question for all you cabin crew out there. I'm currently applying to be cabin crew (applying to EK, QR, EY, QF and CO) and was wondering how layovers are typically structured. For example, I was talking to an f/a on AC on a YUL-YYZ flight two weeks ago who said she was doing a YYZ-BGI turn later that week. That flight is scheduled at 5h10m one way, and AC's crews do the return as well. Where is the cut off between what is operated as a turn, and when the crews get a layover? Likewise, I was talking to an AF crew from CDG to LAX, and they said they get two days in LAX before returning to CDG or continuing on to PPT. How long must a flight be before the crews are given a two day layover instead of just one? Do these rules vary from airline to airline, or are they somewhat universal?
Thanks for any input!
Jorge1812 From Germany, joined Apr 2004, 3152 posts, RR: 6
Reply 1, posted (9 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 6911 times:
I don't know exactlx but I think there are general rules for flight lenght and resting times.
Quoting PanAm747LHR (Thread starter): How long must a flight be before the crews are given a two day layover instead of just one?
Maybe it's because the next flight is in two days or the next has too less resting time for the crew so they have to stay for two day. When we flew from PUJ via MBJ to DUS last month with LTU one crew was doing the DUS-PUJ sector another one the PUJ-MBJ sector and a third one the MBJ-DUS sector. And the ones who had the 1:30 hour flight from PUJ to MBJ had a layover of four days at MBJ, I think because of the earliest flight MBJ-Germany in four days. Hope I could help a bit.
Debonair From Germany, joined Jan 2004, 2704 posts, RR: 4
Reply 3, posted (9 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 6800 times:
Very difficult to answer your question...
It depends on the country of the airline. The rules for overnight stays are regulated in the Civial Aviation law of that country.
Quoting Soups (Reply 2): Just flew Gatwick-varadero-manchester-gatwick. the crew stayed a WHOLE week in varadero
Which airline?? This is perfect, but unfortunately the airlines are cutting this back to a minimum- to save cost. we had also the varadero run and served it only once a week. But after arrival we went straight onto CUBANA to fly to Holguin to have there our minimum stay- and back to germany the next night! The famous glory days are over...
PRAirbus From Puerto Rico, joined Apr 2005, 1179 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (9 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 6711 times:
Depends on the airline, the contract between the FA (Cabin Crew Union) also affects layovers. In the USA, the FAA has some "rules" airlines tend to follow. Now that most US Majors are bleeding cash, productivity is the name of the game and crew layovers tend to be shorter to save money in hotels, per diem (expenses for crews), etc. Not all airlines are the same and most differ from each other. In the US, if the crew is Domestic or International that makes a difference too.
AirCanada014 From Canada, joined Oct 2005, 1513 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (9 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 6489 times:
I remember long time ago it was 1989 when AC introduce Zagreb via ZRH from YYZ and I was on the flight with my sister and my dad who piloted the flight to Zagreb. Both crews (cabin and flight deck) had 3days layover in Zagreb. It was fun being with the crew all the time. My dad and the captain arranged a tour in Zagreb with all the cabin crew on the tour too. It was so awesome we visited some old castles and old mansions. We all had a nice luncheon outside. Then the next night Dad, my sister and I went out for dinner with the Captain and his wife too. I remember pilots usually get the best layovers than the flight attendants. There was one time in early 90s pilots had 4day layover in BGI. I couldn't remember if the F/A had the same layovers too. I should have asked my dad to take me to BGI.
AA B777-200 From Netherlands, joined Mar 2001, 506 posts, RR: 4
Reply 8, posted (9 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 6359 times:
Yup, depends on the airlines' schedule.
With KLM most flights Nort Atlantic are operated daily and the layovers are just 24 hours.
MEX and SFO are an exception, having 48hrs layovers due to length of the flight, rest facilities on board (or the lack of it) or the situation en route (MEX being on high altitude, harder to adjust and rest).
But with BKK flights it's a different story. We have 5, 7 and 9 day trips.
5 days : AMS-BKK and then BKK-AMS
7 days : AMS-BKK, inbetween BKK-TPE-BKK and eventually BKK-AMS
9 days : doing BKK-TPE twice with 1 rest day inbetween.
The interesting part is when they (temporarily) change equipment, combination of aircraft or configuration.
Did a 6 day KIX trip last year, awesome!
This winter season, we also had 6 day trips to EWR, 7 day trips to SFO and last summer even 14 day trips to Kuala Lumpur!
Ofcourse, over the years airlines have starting using long haul jets, cutting fuel stops. Years ago a SIN trip would be a 2 week trip and nowadays (for KLM) it's only 5 days back and forth.
EWRSTEW From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 9 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (9 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 6336 times:
Here at CO, a lot depends on marketing for the scheduling of flights and layovers... First off, if you are thinking to apply at CO, consider that you will be on reserve (that is..at the mercy of the company) for several years, unless you speak a second language. New hire Spanish qualified are already off reserve and holding set schedules for example. Same for Hebrew and Chinese.
Second, Flight Attendants are whores for max hours and max days off!! As LongHauler from Canada stated, high hour turns are great if you like to do them (which I don't). We have EWR-LAX-EWR and EWR-SFO-EWR one day trips to give an example. With these flights, you can have 20-22 days off a month. I have been with CO for 20 years, and can not hold these flights, so don't count on it for a while.
On the other hand we have some pretty cool trips that can get you some great layovers. We have/had 24 hours in SXM, and 2 or 3 nights in UIO or GYE. Now that we are in a winter schedule mode it is not uncommon to have 3 nights in MAD or other cities in Europe. Also HKG can have 3 or 4 nights.
Good luck applying to CO! We are hiring A LOT of cabin crew in 2006.
PanAm747LHR From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 240 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (9 years 9 months 3 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 6094 times:
Yes, I do speak another language. I am fluent in Spanish, French and Italian. My German is pretty good, but not quite fluent. So hopefully if I do go with CO I'll get off reserve pretty quickly. CO already called me back for an interview, but said I needed to be able to start training within 30 days, and I don't graduate till May. So I'll wait until April to reapply.
I am USA based with a US passport, however I have yet to hit any obstacles with my Qantas application. There was actually a specific part of the application for US passport holders. Also, I can get AUST residency without a problem since I've had it before. (Lived in Perth.)
Thanks for all the input! I'm hoping to hear from some EK crew, as they are my first choice.
Turk223 From Barbados, joined Aug 2003, 427 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (9 years 9 months 2 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 5762 times:
Just to harken back to my days working with BW at BGI in the 80s-90s...
Our crews used to have what now seem like perfect trips - at least in my opinion. I remember an entire L-1011 crew (cockpit and cabin) would work a quick 45 minute hop on Thursday from POS to BGI and end their trip there - straight to the hotel and a full beach day until check-in on Friday at about 7 PM to work a BGI-ZRH (about 9 hours) flight. Then position on SK or SR to ARN on Sunday and work a ARN-BGI (about 10 hours) trip on Monday and deadhead back to POS base on the same plane from ARN (via TAB).