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Independence Air - How Great An Airline Can Be?  
User currently offlineMalaysia From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 3378 posts, RR: 0
Posted (8 years 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 5534 times:

Is there any other defunct airline that offered a generous severance package to even the entry-level workers and airport agents who remained at the job till the airline shut down?

This probably makes Independence Air one of the best airlines in terms of supporting its own employees at the end. (extending health insurance 2 months at no charge, fully vesting all company matching in the 401ks even if the emps did not meet the specific service time, giving back a certain amount of vacation pay that was unused in severance and an additional 80 hours of work)

I dont really recall that Midway or National etc. ever had severance packages and vacation payments due to ceasing operations.

[Edited 2006-02-10 02:41:06]

And I know that no Major Airline like United or Northwest would bother giving ramp agents or customer service agents a severance package along with unused vacation hours if they shut down.

[Edited 2006-02-10 02:44:44]


There Are Those Who Believe That There May Yet Be Other Airlines Who Even Now Fight To Survive Beyond The Heavens
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User currently offlineAvion346 From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 184 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (8 years 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 5426 times:

Wow.....I worked for them for a while to get some experience under my belt before coming back to VA to finish up college, and they always seemed to be putting the employees first. I know I don't have a lot of experience in that I have not worked for any other carriers but it really was a pleasure to work for these guys.

I know everyone hates them and blah blah blah but I worked my  butthead  off in an effort to offer a great product to the customer. I like to think that me and my teammates in DTW did a decent job (considering what I witnessed at some other ticket counters, etc.).


User currently offlineAa757first From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 3350 posts, RR: 7
Reply 2, posted (8 years 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 5355 times:

Independence Air was a failure. An airline is a business and a business must turn a profit. Bethlehem Steel served their employees NY Strip steaks for lunch. They aren't a great company either.

AAndrew


User currently offlineMycrj17 From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 269 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (8 years 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 5252 times:

I used to work for DH when they were ACA at ORD and they did not know how to run an airline then, I told them that if they went to be a low cost airline they would be like national airlines...On our last day at ORD as ACA we did get a check worth $1300 and a ride to our cars in that company van... So I guess that the pay out was good......


GO CUBS GO!!!!!
User currently offlinePITrules From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 3256 posts, RR: 6
Reply 4, posted (8 years 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 5161 times:

Ironically, Independence Air ranked number one airline for customer satisfaction in the latest Market Metrex survey (4th qtr 05).

The fact that the employees helped rank Independence Air above JetBlue, without the benefit of 36 channels of LiveTV, with a fleet made up of mostly smaller airplanes, all while knowing they might lose their job, is incredible.



FLYi
User currently offlineOttoPylit From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (8 years 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 5153 times:

Well, I know when Comair pilots went on strike in 2001, Comair Presiden Randy Rademacher promised each employee they would keep paying them until they either came to an agreement, or the company ran out of money. Sure enough, employees were sent to other Delta stations to continue working and living in hotels, flying home for their off days, and everyone kept their paycheck throughout the 3 month strike. Instead of laying people off, they kept making their paycheck. Not bad.



OttoPylit


User currently offline727forever From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 794 posts, RR: 5
Reply 6, posted (8 years 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 5142 times:

The front line employees are what made the airline special. Kerry, Tom, Richard, and my two favorites Ricky D. and Jeff "the Liar" Rogers were idiots and ran it into the ground. The spirit lives on even if the body is dead.

727forever



727forever
User currently offlineRDUDDJI From Lesotho, joined Jun 2004, 1549 posts, RR: 3
Reply 7, posted (8 years 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 4958 times:

Quoting Malaysia (Thread starter):
This probably makes Independence Air one of the best airlines in terms of supporting its own employees at the end. (extending health insurance 2 months at no charge, fully vesting all company matching in the 401ks even if the emps did not meet the specific service time, giving back a certain amount of vacation pay that was unused in severance and an additional 80 hours of work)

Maybe this is why DH's 401k plans are all frozen by the IRS?!



Sometimes we don't realize the good times when we're in them
User currently offlineMalaysia From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 3378 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (8 years 10 months 3 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 4829 times:

Quoting RDUDDJI (Reply 7):
Maybe this is why DH's 401k plans are all frozen by the IRS?!

Employees have already been given the option to roll over the 401K to a IRA or new company 401K



There Are Those Who Believe That There May Yet Be Other Airlines Who Even Now Fight To Survive Beyond The Heavens
User currently offlineNASBWI From Bahamas, joined Feb 2005, 1320 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (8 years 10 months 3 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 4643 times:

Quoting Malaysia (Thread starter):
Is there any other defunct airline that offered a generous severance package to even the entry-level workers and airport agents who remained at the job till the airline shut down?

It was a valiant gesture, but there was one small catch: those who were eligable to receive severance packages were non-union. wink 

Quoting PITrules (Reply 4):
The fact that the employees helped rank Independence Air above JetBlue, without the benefit of 36 channels of LiveTV, with a fleet made up of mostly smaller airplanes, all while knowing they might lose their job, is incredible.

Thank you.  smile 

Quoting Aa757first (Reply 2):
Independence Air was a failure. An airline is a business and a business must turn a profit.

I'm sure most of us have already gotten that memo; however, Malaysia wasn't pointing out the financial failures of the company. He was simply stating that it was a nice thing for a failed airline to do, especially since others (in the same position) were not so generous. The whole "Independence Air was a failure" mantra really isn't necessary.



Fierce, Fabulous, and Flawless ;)
User currently offlineAirlinelover From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 5580 posts, RR: 22
Reply 10, posted (8 years 10 months 3 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 4349 times:

They are not great. They were one of the worst operations out there. Not because of the people who did the REAL work (gate, service, f/a, pilot, mech, etc), but due to the complete incompetace of the management.

This "generous" package was given probably becuase the mgt FINALLY realized they f'd up big time, and while helpful may seem like a "You built us to something great but we f'd it up. Thanks." type of thing..

Good riddance FlyI

Chris



Lets do some sexy math. We add you, subtract your clothes, divide your legs and multiply
User currently offlineClipper002 From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 680 posts, RR: 13
Reply 11, posted (8 years 10 months 3 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 4182 times:

Chris,
Couldn't agree more. It wasn't the "working folks" at this airline that failed, it was the entire concept to begin with. That should be Kerry Skeen's legacy, " H had an ego that just wouldn't die". Unfortunately he had to drag down far too many good people before he finally gave in. The sad part is that he is still is a very, very rich man while most of the worker bees are looking elsewhere for employment. The best of luck to all of you.

Rgds,
Ed



Ed
User currently offlineNwab787techops From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 219 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (8 years 10 months 3 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 4108 times:

Independence Air - How Great An Airline Can Be?


I feel sorry for all the people who worked for I-fly/ACA. But ,that was not a Great Airline. Oh, it may have been a good airline to work for and a cool job to have.

But, a Great Airline is one that makes a name for it self. Like Pan AM,TWA, and Eastern Airlines.


User currently offlineHiflyer From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 2177 posts, RR: 3
Reply 13, posted (8 years 10 months 3 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 4014 times:

The troops are getting some severance so that the big boys can get their golden parachutes...this way the court considers it an equal disbursement.

think it was?


User currently offlineMalaysia From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 3378 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (8 years 10 months 3 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 3965 times:

Great Airline to Employees... hmm hmm


EASTERN? GREAT AIRLINE TO EMPLOYEES???



There Are Those Who Believe That There May Yet Be Other Airlines Who Even Now Fight To Survive Beyond The Heavens
User currently offlineWe're Nuts From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 5722 posts, RR: 19
Reply 15, posted (8 years 10 months 3 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 3947 times:




Dear moderators: No.
User currently offlineNwamonkey From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 3 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (8 years 10 months 3 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 3900 times:

Aa757first, independence was against all odds. From the begining anyone could figure. Take in effect the current US market, high fuel costs, too many competitors, including direct compation from UA which they proke away from, and the new efficiency problems of offering low fares on a majority RJ fleet. Judging from your profile (pre-teen) you have no place in making a compassion between a US steel company, an airline and how employees should be treated.  Embarrassment

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