Panamair From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 4711 posts, RR: 25 Reply 3, posted (7 years 10 months 11 hours ago) and read 5738 times:
Quoting Kkfla737 (Thread starter): In 1977 Pan Am served Dakar, Monrovia, Abidjan, Accra, Lagos, Liberville, Kinsasha, Johannesburg and Nairobi. I think the African network was actually larger in the early 1970s.
Douala, Cotonou, Dar Es Salaam, and Casablanca were also part of the network in the early 70s. Many of these places received only once or twice weekly services with multiple stops enroute. Looking back at a 1972 schedule, JFK-JNB was served twice a week, one with 3 stops enroute and the other with FIVE (5!) stops. Examples of schedules:
PA 184 JFK-Dakar-Monrovia-Accra-Lagos-Kinshasa-Johannesburg 707
PA 186 JFK-Dakar-Monrovia-Abidjan-Cotonou-Douala-Libreville 707
Eventually, by the '80s, PA was down to a twice weekly 747 flight from JFK to DKR, ROB, LOS, and NBO. Periodically, there was also a 747SP flight 3X weekly from JFK to JNB via ROB or Abidjan.
Cody From United States of America, joined May 1999, 1922 posts, RR: 9 Reply 4, posted (7 years 10 months 10 hours ago) and read 5663 times:
I think the last African destination served by TWA (besides Cairo) was Casablanca back around 1978. I believe they flew there from either Madrid or the Azores. Way way way back TWA flew to Tripoli, Beirut, Algeria, and a few other points. That was more like the 1950's though.
Rdwootty From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2005, 900 posts, RR: 2 Reply 7, posted (7 years 10 months 10 hours ago) and read 5634 times:
I must be an old man because I remember the Panam Stratocruiser in Accra . I believe that it flew from South Africa and then on to Azores on its way to Noo York. I went inside one day and thought the bunks were such a good idea . I was 9 at the time!!So the thought of "The mile High" club did not enter my mind. It also had a sumptuos bar on the lower deck
Clipper002 From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 675 posts, RR: 14 Reply 11, posted (7 years 10 months 5 hours ago) and read 5365 times:
Pan Am built most of the airports still operating in Africa and for years was the only carrier serving the entire continent. ROB was the African hub in those days with crew patterns that ran as long as 13 days. One of the station managers for Pan Am at Robert's Field is to this day employed at World Airways. The April 27, 1969 shows flights from JFK to RBA, DKR, ROB, ABJ, ACC, COO, LOS, ABJ, LEO, EBB, NBO, DAR and JNB. Quite a route system.
Texan From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 4241 posts, RR: 53 Reply 14, posted (7 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 5153 times:
Quoting Clipper002 (Reply 11): Pan Am built most of the airports still operating in Africa and for years was the only carrier serving the entire continent.
PA did build a large amount of airports on Africa's west coast, but it was Imperial Airways, the predecessor of BA, that really drove aviation in Africa at the beginning. Imperial operated two legs into Africa: one to LOS and one to CPT. The flight started at Croydon Field and continued to CDG-Brindisi-ATH-Alexandria-CAI-Assiut-Wadi Halfi-Atbara-Khartoum-Kosti-Malakal-Juba-Entebbe-Kisumu-NBO-Moshi-Dodoma-Mbeya-Mpeka-Broken Hill-Salisbury-Bulawayo-Pietersberg-JNB-Kimberly-Victoria West-CPT. That's right, the 26 stop, same plane service to CPT! Imperial had a route with almost as many stops from Croydon-SIN, which eventually was lengthened to include BNE and SYD as well! The flight to LOS was out of NBO via Kano and one other stop, just cannot find out exactly which stop.
In case anyone is interested, here is a map showing Imperial's African routes:
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Clipper002 From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 675 posts, RR: 14 Reply 15, posted (7 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 5152 times:
First of all, I don't see how the use of THR has anyhing to do with this thread. Secondly can the two of you elaborate about THR being a "hub" for Pan Am? The term "hub" wasn't even around in the 60's or the 70's. For that matter the only service that went through THR were the round the world flights ( 1 and 2), 3 times a week and flights 118 and 119, 3 times a week. The other 4 days, it terminated at BEY.
Kkfla737 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 1033 posts, RR: 1 Reply 17, posted (7 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 5136 times:
Ed- Maybe hub was the wrong term. PA had two flights crisscrossing at THR (which is why i used the term scissors hub) where you could easily connect from one to the other.Tehran. Looking at the Spring/Summer 1978 timetable, PA flew:
2 x/week Bangkok PA 2
4x/week Bombay PA 110
1x/week Damascus PA 111
5x/ week Delhi PA 2
Daily Frankfurt PA 1
6x/ week Istanbul PA 111
3x/ week Karachi PA 110
PA 1 continued on to London and JFK
PA 2 continued to Hong Kong and Tokyo
PA 110 terminated at Bombay or Karachi
PA 111 continued to Rome and JFK
BostonBeau From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 462 posts, RR: 0 Reply 18, posted (7 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 5134 times:
Back in the days of the B-707, TWA had authority to serve several North African cities: Algiers, Tunis, Tripoli, as well as Cairo. And also authority for several cities in East Africa: Nairobi, Dar Es Salam, Addis Ababa, Kampala, and I think even Khartoum. At one point, they were all on the route map, so they may have even been served.
Nomadic From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 414 posts, RR: 0 Reply 19, posted (7 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 5117 times:
Quoting BostonBeau (Reply 18): Back in the days of the B-707, TWA had authority to serve several North African cities: Algiers, Tunis, Tripoli, as well as Cairo. And also authority for several cities in East Africa: Nairobi, Dar Es Salam, Addis Ababa, Kampala, and I think even Khartoum. At one point, they were all on the route map, so they may have even been served.
TWA did operate to Entebe/Kampala, Nairobi & Dar Es Salam several times a week. I believe the flights may have originated at either Rome or Athens.
TAN FLYR From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 1877 posts, RR: 0 Reply 23, posted (7 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 4916 times:
Just to take this in a slightly different direction...IF PA & TW had (like a lot of others) the escalation of fuel prices in 79 & 80 as well as other factors.and IF
they had ordered 757's to replace the fuel hungry 707's..one could wonder if some of that service would have survived longer at either or both carriers.