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User currently offlineBlueSky1976 From Poland, joined Jul 2004, 1885 posts, RR: 4
Posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 3858 times:

OK, let's play a little game here  Smile

The new Terminal 2 in Warsaw should be operational in fall this year. That is unless the Polish contractor hired for the development of the project catches further delays (the original date of the EIS was April 2006). But anyway, hypothetically, which American carrier do you guys see as the first to start flights from any of their US gateway to WAW with their own metal?

My money is on US Airways from PHL, as they recently got DOT authority to operate the route, followed by CO from EWR (which would be my choice).

Your thoughts?


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User currently offlineTimberwolf24 From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 575 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 3849 times:

American or United from O'Hare would be a good possibility.


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User currently offlinePHLJJS From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 417 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 3829 times:

Philadelphia has a very large Polish community, as does Pittsburgh. If I was a betting man, and the Lord knows I am. My bet would also be US Airways at least 3x a week, maybe once daily PHL-WAW if demand warranted it.

User currently offlineMke717spotter From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 2458 posts, RR: 4
Reply 3, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 3819 times:

well when we go to poland to visit our family members over there we always fly to warsaw from ohare via LOT and my dad is always complaining about the high prices.......well saying that i can think that either AA/UA will start that route, as for US PHL could be possible, but i dont think PIT will after all those reducutions the last they are gonna do is add flights to WAW, CO from EWR could also work, maybe DL from ATL once they get outta bankruptcy as my dad told me he once flew DL straight to WAW but im not sure if hes right

btw - maybe a bit off topic, but what N. American cities do you think they will add with their new 787's????



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User currently offlineRwSEA From Netherlands, joined Jan 2005, 3105 posts, RR: 2
Reply 4, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 3800 times:

I could see DL flying JFK-WAW in the near future, given other recent expansion into Eastern Europe. CO would be another possibility.

UA tends to prefer the more typical destinations like CDG, FRA, LHR, etc.


User currently offlineBlueSky1976 From Poland, joined Jul 2004, 1885 posts, RR: 4
Reply 5, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 3787 times:

Quoting Mke717spotter (Reply 3):
btw - maybe a bit off topic, but what N. American cities do you think they will add with their new 787's????

I heard LO wants to do LAX and MIA, with IAD as a distant possibility. Most of their long-haul expantion will be to the Far East though, I heard they are planning a massive expansion once 787s start coming in. But then it's LO, so who the hell knows...



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User currently offlineZvezda From Lithuania, joined Aug 2004, 10511 posts, RR: 64
Reply 6, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 3741 times:

LO is a Star Alliance member. Therefore the most obvious candidates are UA and US. As LO already fly WAW-ORD, I think we can safely rule out UA starting up ORD-WAW. I don't have any relevant demographic data, so I won't speculate between UA IAD-WAW and US PHL-WAW.

CO EWR-WAW also seems plausible.


User currently offlineCodeshare From Poland, joined Sep 2002, 1854 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 3726 times:

Quoting Timberwolf24 (Reply 1):
American or United from O'Hare would be a good possibility.

LOT had codeshare with AA, and now it has with UA. They plan to increase frequency both from WAW and KRK to the US and Canada.

There were rumours about IAD and PHL. There are others concerning other carriers like SQ or ANA when T2 is finally completed. Not to mention a few South-East Asia routes by LOT itself. When the new CEO is picked, a new strategy should be presented towards the end of Q1 2006.



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User currently offlineKkfla737 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 1033 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 3671 times:

Quoting RwSEA (Reply 4):
I could see DL flying JFK-WAW in the near future, given other recent expansion into Eastern Europe. CO would be another possibility.

Delta flew to Warsaw from 1991 to 1996, and since it was dropped I haven't seen or heard any rumors about it being restarted. American or US Airways is more likely, though i'm not sure if any US flag carrier is going to use its own metal to serve WAW.


User currently onlineCubsrule From United States of America, joined May 2004, 23026 posts, RR: 20
Reply 9, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 3588 times:

Quoting BlueSky1976 (Thread starter):
My money is on US Airways from PHL, as they recently got DOT authority to operate the route,

I've not read the authority, but might it be for codeshare purposes?

Quoting Timberwolf24 (Reply 1):
American or United from O'Hare would be a good possibility.

The LO service seems quite important to them-- they've even given the flights numbers 1 & 2. Is there really room for two carriers? There are a lot of Polish people in Chicago, but I'm not sure that's enough.



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User currently onlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32789 posts, RR: 72
Reply 10, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 3577 times:

Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 9):

The LO service seems quite important to them-- they've even given the flights numbers 1 & 2. Is there really room for two carriers? There are a lot of Polish people in Chicago, but I'm not sure that's enough.

There is room for two carriers. The Polish community in Chicago is huge, and you can tell it's significance by the fact that Chicago has a locally produced Polish-language television channel. While it seems trivial, that really shows the significant of a local community. It is one of very, very few non-English/Spanish television stations in the US. The only other one I can think of is Miami's HTN (Creole), though I'm sure there are some others.



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User currently offlinePSA727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 974 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 3569 times:

My money would be put on UA for an IAD-WAW flight or US for PHL-WAW.
Either carrier could code-share out of WAW with fellow Star Alliance member
LOT, and more importantly, this route needs to originate from the East Coast.
Having it originate from ORD and compete with LOT would be putting too much
capacity in that market IMO. Plus, IAD and PHL offer a lot more connecting
options to the rest of the U.S. If you were flying from Albany to Warsaw,
would you really want to connect through ORD? As for CO (EWR and WAW),
I believe that LOT already flies this route, doesn't it? I have seen their 767
parked there at Terminal B before.



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User currently onlineBigGSFO From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 2926 posts, RR: 6
Reply 12, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day ago) and read 3532 times:

I would guess AA from ORD. As previously mentioned, Chicago has a very large Polish community coupled with AA's ability to feed that flight with their domestic operations. Although the number of destinations in Europe served by AA is behind the likes of CO and DL, they do seem to add points that make good business sense whereas UA seems to be focusing more on Asia/Pacific and leaving a good percentage of transatlantic flying to their Star partners (i.e. LH, SK, etc.).

Does anybody know what yields are like US-Poland?


User currently offlineZvezda From Lithuania, joined Aug 2004, 10511 posts, RR: 64
Reply 13, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 1 day ago) and read 3518 times:

Quoting Codeshare (Reply 7):

There were rumours about IAD and PHL. There are others concerning other carriers like SQ or ANA when T2 is finally completed.

It's tough to envision SQ operating SIN-WAW nonstop anytime soon. I could imagine SIN-DXB-WAW 3x weekly.


User currently offlineUAL777UK From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2005, 3356 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 3476 times:

Its more likely to be a Star carrier than anyone else is my bet. UA is looking to go to VIE so my money would be on US starting the route, although ORD to WAW on UA looks more attractive.

User currently offlineTexan From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 4278 posts, RR: 52
Reply 15, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 3431 times:

Quoting RwSEA (Reply 4):
I could see DL flying JFK-WAW in the near future



Quoting Kkfla737 (Reply 8):
Delta flew to Warsaw from 1991 to 1996, and since it was dropped I haven't seen or heard any rumors about it being restarted.

Neither here. The service was same plane JFK-WAW via a city in Germany, cannot remember if it was TXL or FRA. DL cut a few European cities out of their network in the mid-1990s including BUD, CPH, WAW, TXL, and VIE. Only city to which they have returned so far is TXL, if I'm not mistaken.

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User currently offlineBlueSky1976 From Poland, joined Jul 2004, 1885 posts, RR: 4
Reply 16, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 3399 times:

Quoting Zvezda (Reply 13):
It's tough to envision SQ operating SIN-WAW nonstop anytime soon. I could imagine SIN-DXB-WAW 3x weekly.

LO is looking at WAW-SIN nonstop once they get 787s and if they start it, SQ will most likely do the codeshare on it. They recently started codesharing with LO on their FRA-SIN and LHR-SIN services, and SQ flight no. now apprears on LO connecting WAW-FRA and WAW-LHR flights.



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User currently offlineJsnww81 From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 2036 posts, RR: 15
Reply 17, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 3361 times:

Talking ORD-WAW for a moment:

I don't think either American or United will attempt the route. While UA and particularly AA have very strong transatlantic operations, they're not known for "taking risks" on secondary markets the way Delta and Continental do. American attempted a Chicago-Berlin service many years ago and it flopped - since then, AA has stuck to larger markets like LHR, CDG, FRA, BRU, etc. (they serve Shannon, but only as a condition of the US-Ireland bilateral).

United can feed passengers to Poland via LOT or the Frankfurt hub with Lufthansa. United seems to be even more conservative than AA (and that's not saying much) when it comes to opening new transatlantic markets.

LOT have been established in Chicago for several decades now. If anything, I could see ORD-WAW going double-daily once the new metal arrives in a few years, or perhaps ORD-Krakow going daily rather than just 2-3 times per week. Or perhaps even ORD-Katowice or ORD-Gdansk... I can dream, can't I?  Smile

Of course, ORD is my home airport, so I would love to eat my words on this one - more transatlantic flights from Chicago are always a plus!


User currently offlinePanamair From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 4910 posts, RR: 24
Reply 18, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 3333 times:
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Quoting Texan (Reply 15):
Neither here. The service was same plane JFK-WAW via a city in Germany, cannot remember if it was TXL or FRA. DL cut a few European cities out of their network in the mid-1990s including BUD, CPH, WAW, TXL, and VIE. Only city to which they have returned so far is TXL, if I'm not mistaken.

DL originally served WAW from FRA after the Pan Am transatlantic acquisition. Later, they introduced a JFK-TXL-WAW flight before cancelling WAW altogether.

Both CPH and BUD will become online again this coming summer.

Incidentally, PA had a WAW FA base; the Polish FAs basically flew PA's feeder routes from FRA to WAW, PRG, IST, ATH, etc. DL took them over and later even had the Poles fly the WAW-TXL-JFK route for a short while.


User currently offlineBlueSky1976 From Poland, joined Jul 2004, 1885 posts, RR: 4
Reply 19, posted (8 years 7 months 2 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 3210 times:

Quoting Jsnww81 (Reply 17):
If anything, I could see ORD-WAW going double-daily once the new metal arrives in a few years, or perhaps ORD-Krakow going daily rather than just 2-3 times per week. Or perhaps even ORD-Katowice or ORD-Gdansk... I can dream, can't I?

ORD - GDA won't happen for a while. You can forget about ORD-KTW, because of the KRK proximity and the passenger traffic paterns (most of them are comming from the southern part of Poland, no need for them to travel to KTW when they can save time and go straight to KRK).
Seasonal JFK-RZE and ORD-RZE could be possible once the new terminal at RZE opens, as the current traffic on RZE-WAW feed is 60 - 80% transatlantic passenger traffic.

Quoting Panamair (Reply 18):
DL originally served WAW from FRA after the Pan Am transatlantic acquisition. Later, they introduced a JFK-TXL-WAW flight before cancelling WAW altogether.

DL did have a seasonal nonstop JFK-WAW for like two years, before they pulled out of it altogether. My parents flew it in 1996 or 1997 I believe... Off-season towards the end, I believe the routing was JFK-AMS-WAW (according to Polish aviation monthly Skrzydlata Polska).



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User currently offlineLO231 From Belgium, joined Sep 2004, 2392 posts, RR: 22
Reply 20, posted (8 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 3039 times:

Quoting Mke717spotter (Reply 3):
well when we go to poland to visit our family members over there we always fly to warsaw from ohare via LOT and my dad is always complaining about the high prices.......well saying that i can think that either AA/UA will start that route,



Quoting RwSEA (Reply 4):
UA tends to prefer the more typical destinations like CDG, FRA, LHR, etc.



Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 10):
There is room for two carriers. The Polish community in Chicago is huge

LO flies to Chicago as LO1 (I'm flying it in April, yay!), so I'd say it's their important route, and Chicago being second biggest Polish city in the world (after Warsaw) I'd say there is potential for UA (also STAR!) or AA (competition with prices?) to open up the route...

Quoting Texan (Reply 15):
Quoting Kkfla737 (Reply 8):
Delta flew to Warsaw from 1991 to 1996, and since it was dropped I haven't seen or heard any rumors about it being restarted.

Neither here. The service was same plane JFK-WAW via a city in Germany, cannot remember if it was TXL or FRA

It was TXL.

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User currently offlineBlueSky1976 From Poland, joined Jul 2004, 1885 posts, RR: 4
Reply 21, posted (8 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 3019 times:

Quoting PSA727 (Reply 11):
As for CO (EWR and WAW),
I believe that LOT already flies this route, doesn't it? I have seen their 767
parked there at Terminal B before

LOT flies that route three times a week in the summer, and twice a week in the winter. There is plenty of room for CO. All they have to do is start it three times a week on the days LO is not flying to WAW. First they would snatch all premium J-class traffic, then economy. I'd love to see LOT crushed on that route by Continental - that would teach them a lesson or two about on-board product offering...



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User currently offlineMke717spotter From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 2458 posts, RR: 4
Reply 22, posted (8 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 2915 times:

Quoting BlueSky1976 (Reply 21):
LOT flies that route three times a week in the summer, and twice a week in the winter. There is plenty of room for CO. All they have to do is start it three times a week on the days LO is not flying to WAW. First they would snatch all premium J-class traffic, then economy. I'd love to see LOT crushed on that route by Continental - that would teach them a lesson or two about on-board product offering...

I believe that LOT rotates out of EWR and JFK



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User currently offlineBlueSky1976 From Poland, joined Jul 2004, 1885 posts, RR: 4
Reply 23, posted (8 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 2915 times:

Quoting Mke717spotter (Reply 22):
I believe that LOT rotates out of EWR and JFK

No.
JFK is LOT's major NY area destination, and one of their two "flagship" long-haul routes (the other one being ORD-WAW). They will run twice-daily nonstops on some days this summer to Warsaw out of there (I believe there will be one "normal" daily JFK-WAW, and a supplemental one 3x/week which will rotate with JFK-KRK service). EWR-JFK is just a supplemental service for LOT.



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User currently offlineHumberside From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2005, 4920 posts, RR: 4
Reply 24, posted (8 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 2895 times:

Quoting BlueSky1976 (Reply 23):
EWR-JFK is just a supplemental service for LOT.

I dont think EWR-JFK is a route flown by LOT (or anyone else for that matter)  Wink

LOT fly from EWR to both WAW and KRK dont they?



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User currently offlineMke717spotter From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 2458 posts, RR: 4
Reply 25, posted (8 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 2811 times:

Quoting Humberside (Reply 24):
LOT fly from EWR to both WAW and KRK dont they?

well there are pics in the database of recent sightings of LOT at both EWR & JFK

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