SonOfACaptain From United States of America, joined May 2004, 1747 posts, RR: 5 Posted (7 years 3 months 1 week 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 2593 times:
Well, like the title says, US is set to recall 55 pilots. This is not because of the 190 order, but because of the three ATA 757's and due to pilot retirements. Expect more to be recalled around September for the 190. This is a good start.
I know somebody mentioned this on another thread, but I thought everybody should see this.
On a side note, this goes along with four classes for furloughed F/As, but on the HP side. So technically they haven't been recalled yet, but they will work HP mainline flights.
DeltaGuy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 1, posted (7 years 3 months 1 week 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 2478 times:
Good news for them...who would have thought that they'd even be in a position to offer people their jobs back. Now if we can only see that from DL in a few years.
SonOfACaptain From United States of America, joined May 2004, 1747 posts, RR: 5 Reply 3, posted (7 years 3 months 1 week 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 2468 times:
Quoting Saab2000 (Reply 2): There are not as many on furlough who will come back as most people expect.
Sure, but they have so much pilots on furlough that it doesn't matter. It is going to take years to get through all the furloughs.
Saab2000 From Switzerland, joined Jun 2001, 1605 posts, RR: 12 Reply 4, posted (7 years 3 months 1 week 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 2440 times:
Quoting SonOfACaptain (Reply 3): Sure, but they have so much pilots on furlough that it doesn't matter. It is going to take years to get through all the furloughs.
Not as long as you think. Many are at Jet Blue, AirTran and Social Security (or will be soon). The pool is not as deep as many believe. I had a US Airways jumpseater recently who said that within 5 years a HUGE percentage of US Airways pilots will be retired. This is the case at most majors. The shortage is coming.
SonOfACaptain From United States of America, joined May 2004, 1747 posts, RR: 5 Reply 5, posted (7 years 3 months 1 week 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 2376 times:
Quoting Saab2000 (Reply 4): had a US Airways jumpseater recently who said that within 5 years a HUGE percentage of US Airways pilots will be retired. This is the case at most majors. The shortage is coming.
There is no doubt about that, although I wouldn't say a huge percentage, but a huge amount. With that being said, US has over 1,000 pilots on furlough, and it is going to take a few years to get through them. The 190's will only becoming a few a month, so US is not going to go through 1,000 pilots within the year.
Quite a few pilots have found other jobs, but the majority will becoming back.
FXramper From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 7023 posts, RR: 93 Reply 6, posted (7 years 3 months 1 week 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 2361 times:
SonOfACaptain From United States of America, joined May 2004, 1747 posts, RR: 5 Reply 7, posted (7 years 3 months 1 week 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 2355 times:
Quoting FXramper (Reply 6): Will US be hiring new pilots for their 190s?
SonOfACaptain From United States of America, joined May 2004, 1747 posts, RR: 5 Reply 9, posted (7 years 3 months 1 week 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 2341 times:
Quoting Supa7E7 (Reply 8): Actually the E190s will have the new Brazilian robot pilots.
Don't be stupid. They would never have the robots fly the plane first. They have to test it out as F/A's first....I mean, come on.
Saab2000 From Switzerland, joined Jun 2001, 1605 posts, RR: 12 Reply 10, posted (7 years 3 months 1 week 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 2250 times:
Quoting SonOfACaptain (Reply 5): Quite a few pilots have found other jobs, but the majority will becoming back.
They will certainly be recalling for a couple years. I also don't know how it will work out with the integration of America West and US Airways guys. It will be interesting. Don't take my comments as negative at all. I certainly wish them all the best (honest) and a speedy trip back to the flight deck of a major airplane at a major airline.
But I still believe that the furlough pool is not as deep as many think. The pool of young pilots is not very deep either. At ZW we have hired a lot of new ones lately and the so-called "regional" airlines can no longer require hard mins of 1500 hours total time or anything like that. I digress.
The other thing I wonder about is the fight which will eventually happen with the E170 and the E190. Same airplane for all practical purposes, just different size. It would be like an airline operating the A319 in one pilot group and the A320 in another. Just an observation. I think the future will bring issues to that idea too.
ATWZW170 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 904 posts, RR: 3 Reply 11, posted (7 years 3 months 1 week 2 days ago) and read 2196 times:
Anyone know just how many pilots at US are expected to retire within the next few years. I know at ZW we had a pretty big number of 146 guys hang up their hats. Did HP have to furlough anyone? When do we think the work groups are going to be joined?
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Planespotting From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 3438 posts, RR: 5 Reply 12, posted (7 years 3 months 1 week 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 2116 times:
ZW is hiring like crazy right now. I know quite a few people who have gotten on with them in the past couple months. Recently, I've had friends interview and get hired with:
Horizon (for the Shorts!)
American Eagle (ERJ)
Skywest (EMB-120 and CR7)
Air Wisconsin (CRJ2)
Air Net (unknown)
RamerinianAir From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 1486 posts, RR: 0 Reply 13, posted (7 years 3 months 1 week 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 1997 times:
Nwab787techops From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 219 posts, RR: 0 Reply 14, posted (7 years 3 months 1 week 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 1970 times:
Quoting Saab2000 (Reply 10): The other thing I wonder about is the fight which will eventually happen with the E170 and the E190. Same airplane for all practical purposes, just different size. It would be like an airline operating the A319 in one pilot group and the A320 in another. Just an observation. I think the future will bring issues to that idea too.
The E170 are another airlines (Mid/RP). Some guys are flying for them under Jets for jobs. E190 are going to be Us mainline and E170 express.
I don't know why they don't make it all express? UAL has it that way and use RP no less. They are doing well with a two class of service layout.
FCYTravis From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 1191 posts, RR: 6 Reply 16, posted (7 years 3 months 1 week 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 1882 times:
Nwab787techops From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 219 posts, RR: 0 Reply 17, posted (7 years 3 months 1 week 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 1846 times:
UAXDXer From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 765 posts, RR: 3 Reply 19, posted (7 years 3 months 1 week 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 1801 times:
Quoting Saab2000 (Reply 10): I also don't know how it will work out with the integration of America West and US Airways guys.
This is the million dollar question... not only for the pilots but the rest of labor groups. Anyone have any insights or rumors as to how this will work?
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SonOfACaptain From United States of America, joined May 2004, 1747 posts, RR: 5 Reply 20, posted (7 years 3 months 1 week 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 1666 times:
Quoting Saab2000 (Reply 10): also don't know how it will work out with the integration of America West and US Airways guys.
Easy. All the furloughed guys will be put at the bottom of the list. I mean, why change their luck right now?
Eh, I would be careful when I say that. Sure, for young guys looking for hours, the jobs are they. They always have been. But for veteran pilots who have to support a full family, they can't take these low paying jobs, thus, the jobs aren't there.
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