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US Airways 757's To Europe. Questions...  
User currently offlineGilesdavies From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2003, 3001 posts, RR: 2
Posted (8 years 5 months 2 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 7483 times:

This week US Airways have confirmed expansion to three European citiesfrom PHL to Lisbon, Milan and Stockholm.

There have been a few threads and just wanted to clarify a few questions...

The Lisbon route is to be operated by a 757 and just wanted to know where this metal is coming from?

People have advised US Airways 757's are old versions which do not have the range to get to Europe and are not ETOPS compliant.

Will it be an American West 757 transferred to the current US Airways fleet?

Also there was a thread a few weeks ago about US Airways acquiring some 757-300's from ATA as these be operating on some of the airlines Western European routes like SNN, DUB and GLA.

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User currently offlineGLAGAZ From UK - Scotland, joined Feb 2004, 1982 posts, RR: 11
Reply 1, posted (8 years 5 months 2 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 7468 times:

Well GLA will be a 767 for the first few weeks of the Summer season. Then it will be replaced by an all eco 757. Thats according to Amadeus for the a/c type and USAirways.com for the config. 182 seats on the 757's.

Gaz



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User currently offlineGigneil From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 16347 posts, RR: 85
Reply 2, posted (8 years 5 months 2 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 7418 times:

Quoting Gilesdavies (Thread starter):
Also there was a thread a few weeks ago about US Airways acquiring some 757-300's from ATA as these be operating on some of the airlines Western European routes like SNN, DUB and GLA.

I recommend going back to that thread... 757-300s were never on the table. US has picked up a few ATA 757-200s, which are all very new aircraft.

N


User currently offlineFlyboyaz From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (8 years 5 months 2 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 7409 times:

I find it weird that they are going to stay in an all coach configuration. Perhaps it's just because they will be used right away? Maybe they will be reconfigured later on??

User currently offlineSNNUS From Ireland, joined Dec 2005, 134 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (8 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 7266 times:

Probably fitted in the near future

User currently offlineYyz717 From Canada, joined Sep 2001, 16245 posts, RR: 56
Reply 5, posted (8 years 5 months 2 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 7252 times:

PHL is a perfect base range-wise for a transatlantic 752 fleet. It's surprising US did not commence 752 ops to Europe years ago.


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User currently offlineGilesdavies From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2003, 3001 posts, RR: 2
Reply 6, posted (8 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 7213 times:

Quoting Yyz717 (Reply 5):
PHL is a perfect base range-wise for a transatlantic 752 fleet. It's surprising US did not commence 752 ops to Europe years ago.

I have asked that question in several forums and people on here keep telling me the 752's they have are old and do not have the range to get to Europe. Also it has been said their 752's are not ETOPS enabled.


User currently offlineGigneil From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 16347 posts, RR: 85
Reply 7, posted (8 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 7200 times:

Read this thread again.

N


User currently offlineYyz717 From Canada, joined Sep 2001, 16245 posts, RR: 56
Reply 8, posted (8 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 7173 times:

Quoting Gilesdavies (Reply 6):
I have asked that question in several forums and people on here keep telling me the 752's they have are old and do not have the range to get to Europe.

All 752's have the range for PHL transatlantic ops, not just later models.



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User currently offlineKITH From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 378 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (8 years 5 months 2 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 7135 times:

Will the 752's have the standard domestic first or something more like their envoy product? -Matt in KITH

User currently offlineCaptainT38 From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 35 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (8 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 7079 times:

Quoting KITH (Reply 9):

I have wondered the same thing? I imagine they will have something like their envoy class for the 757 trips. I think that would be a long, boring trip in a 75. I do love the 757, but I can't imagine taking one of those overseas!


User currently offlineMalaysia From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 3330 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (8 years 5 months 2 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 7031 times:

Taking a 757-200 in economy to Europe is just the same as any economy class ticket on another type of aircraft to consumers, so no one will be whining, they will fly Us 757s to Europe if they get a better deal with them, regardless of noticing if any First class is up front.


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User currently offlineSNNUS From Ireland, joined Dec 2005, 134 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (8 years 5 months 1 week 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 6917 times:

NO ENVOY ON THE 757 Aircraft to Europe, this is confirmed, there maybe domestic F seats but these will be reserved for FF, it will be an all ecy service to LIS, SNN, GLA

User currently offlineN766UA From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 8193 posts, RR: 24
Reply 13, posted (8 years 5 months 1 week 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 6782 times:

Quoting Gilesdavies (Thread starter):
US Airways acquiring some 757-300's from ATA as these be operating on some of the airlines Western European routes like SNN, DUB and GLA.

Not only do I doubt US would ever be interested in a few 753s, but the -300s don't even have the range to fly to Europe. They're not transatlantic aircraft.



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User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26361 posts, RR: 76
Reply 14, posted (8 years 5 months 1 week 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 6726 times:

Quoting Gilesdavies (Thread starter):
People have advised US Airways 757's are old versions which do not have the range to get to Europe and are not ETOPS compliant.

First, if they wanted to, they could make them ETOPS compliant, which is what American West did with their planes. Additionally, if they wanted to shell out the cash, they could pay for the certification of the planes up to 255,000 pounds and max out their range. Finally, only the ex-Eastern 757s are really particularly old. Many of their 757s were delivered in the mid 1990s

Quoting Gigneil (Reply 2):
US has picked up a few ATA 757-200s, which are all very new aircraft.

Not to mention ETOPS ready and certified as high as they can get them.

Quoting Yyz717 (Reply 5):
PHL is a perfect base range-wise for a transatlantic 752 fleet.

Well, BOS would be the most ideal, but yeah, PHL is a good location. The only problem is the O&D compared to CO's EWR ops

Quoting Yyz717 (Reply 8):
All 752's have the range for PHL transatlantic ops, not just later models.

Actually, if you are talking about an older, 200,000 pound model, the range doesn't really cut it past the British Isles (Portugal is much shorter than the UK). You need higher certification to make it any further.

Quoting N766UA (Reply 13):
Not only do I doubt US would ever be interested in a few 753s, but the -300s don't even have the range to fly to Europe. They're not transatlantic aircraft.

Actually, they definately have the range to make DUB, LIS, MAN, GLA, EDI, SNN and even LGW in a stretch. CO actually looked hard at making a subfleet of 753s to replace widebody extra frequencies into LGW.



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User currently offlineUSXguy From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 1010 posts, RR: 5
Reply 15, posted (8 years 5 months 1 week 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 6712 times:

While the planes are ETOPS certified, the airline must also be certified to fly them ETOPS :P

The aircraft will be retrofitted with a standard USAirways 757 interior.. rumor is that it will have 12 F though.

-n



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User currently offlineBY738 From Tonga, joined Sep 2000, 2260 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (8 years 5 months 1 week 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 6712 times:

Quoting SNNUS (Reply 12):
Not only do I doubt US would ever be interested in a few 753s, but the -300s don't even have the range to fly to Europe. They're not transatlantic aircraft

Please do some research. The 757-300 is capable of flying transatlantic.


User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26361 posts, RR: 76
Reply 17, posted (8 years 5 months 1 week 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 6696 times:

Quoting USXguy (Reply 15):
While the planes are ETOPS certified, the airline must also be certified to fly them ETOPS

Which HP is.

Quoting USXguy (Reply 15):
The aircraft will be retrofitted with a standard USAirways 757 interior.. rumor is that it will have 12 F though.

Aren't all of the 757s going to be standardized on the HP configuration anyway?



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User currently offlineFCYTravis From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 1191 posts, RR: 6
Reply 18, posted (8 years 5 months 1 week 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 6670 times:

Which is 14F... Odd.


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User currently offlineMatt From Canada, joined May 1999, 692 posts, RR: 2
Reply 19, posted (8 years 5 months 1 week 6 days 19 hours ago) and read 6657 times:

Quoting BY738 (Reply 16):
Please do some research. The 757-300 is capable of flying transatlantic.

Of course! Condor uses the 757-300 on its Hannover-Moncton-Toronto-Hannover charter flights in the summer. HAJ-YQM is 7:10 and YYZ-HAJ is 7:30 (flying time).



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User currently offlineLTU932 From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 13864 posts, RR: 50
Reply 20, posted (8 years 5 months 1 week 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 6514 times:

Quoting Gigneil (Reply 2):
US has picked up a few ATA 757-200s, which are all very new aircraft.

I believe the ETOPS rating of those aircraft is ETOPS 120, which would make them suitable for transatlantic service, right?

Quoting N1120A (Reply 14):
Finally, only the ex-Eastern 757s are really particularly old. Many of their 757s were delivered in the mid 1990s

You mean mid-80s in the case of EA's 757 right, or are you referring with them being delivered in the mid-90's to US/HP? And don't forget all those old BA aircraft, which are now in service with ER in Europe.

Quoting Matt (Reply 19):
Of course! Condor uses the 757-300 on its Hannover-Moncton-Toronto-Hannover charter flights in the summer. HAJ-YQM is 7:10 and YYZ-HAJ is 7:30 (flying time).

Well, DE does use them on the HAJ-YQM-YYZ-HAJ route, but for others it would probably be unpractical to operate 753s over the Atlantic on possibly permantent triangular routings through Canada or KEF, especially with the strong headwinds in the winter. Hence probably why DE only operates them on that route in the summer while if there were charters to YYZ in the winter out of HAJ (I'm not saying there are), they would most certainly transfer a 763 to that route.


User currently offlineHPRamper From United States of America, joined May 2005, 4036 posts, RR: 8
Reply 21, posted (8 years 5 months 1 week 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 6502 times:

Will people please stop calling my airline American West?

User currently offlinePurdueAv2003 From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 250 posts, RR: 2
Reply 22, posted (8 years 5 months 1 week 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 6502 times:

Quoting LTU932 (Reply 20):
Quoting N1120A (Reply 14):
Finally, only the ex-Eastern 757s are really particularly old. Many of their 757s were delivered in the mid 1990s

You mean mid-80s in the case of EA's 757 right, or are you referring with them being delivered in the mid-90's to US/HP? And don't forget all those old BA aircraft, which are now in service with ER in Europe.

The ex-EA 752's were delivered in the early-mid 80's. US received them in 1992. The other US 752' were delivered new between 1992 and 1995, making their newest 752 a little over 10 yrs old. I'm not sure about HP's 752's.



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User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26361 posts, RR: 76
Reply 23, posted (8 years 5 months 1 week 6 days 14 hours ago) and read 6394 times:

Quoting Gigneil (Reply 2):
I recommend going back to that thread... 757-300s were never on the table.

Weren't TZ's 753s on the table back a couple years ago in some sort of deal with HP?

Quoting LTU932 (Reply 20):
I believe the ETOPS rating of those aircraft is ETOPS 120, which would make them suitable for transatlantic service, right?

Given that they are heavy weight/high thrust models, I am sure they have ETOPS 180 or at least ETOPS 138. With that amount of thrust, they can make Hawai'i on ETOPS 138, which is cheaper than running them under ETOPS 180 and the whole North Atlantic is accessable under ETOPS 138. Still, given the nature of TZ's ops, I would bet they use ETOPS 180

Quoting LTU932 (Reply 20):
You mean mid-80s in the case of EA's 757 right, or are you referring with them being delivered in the mid-90's to US/HP?

I was talking about the aircraft directly delivered to US, not the ones acquired from EA

Quoting PurdueAv2003 (Reply 22):
The ex-EA 752's were delivered in the early-mid 80's. US received them in 1992. The other US 752' were delivered new between 1992 and 1995, making their newest 752 a little over 10 yrs old. I'm not sure about HP's 752's.

The 4 newest are the ones that were actually delivered to HP and were all delivered between 1987 and 1989. The rest are older and are ex-Republic, delivered between 1985 and 1986 (NW sold them after the merger because they were RR powered). Just shows that you can still get ETOPS and upgrade the weights of older 757s



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User currently offlineGigneil From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 16347 posts, RR: 85
Reply 24, posted (8 years 5 months 1 week 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 6365 times:

Quoting N1120A (Reply 23):
Weren't TZ's 753s on the table back a couple years ago in some sort of deal with HP?

Yeah back when HP wanted most of TZ... at least their 757 fleet.

TZ has one of the newest fleets of 757s in the world, I imagine many people would like to have them. I'm pleased US has been able to get their hands on some.

N


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26 Post contains images SNNUS : HPRamper From United States, joined May 2005, 725 posts, RR: 2 Reply 21, posted Sun Feb 12 2006 05:06:21 UTC+1 and read 1123 times: Will people please
27 BY738 : GLA and SNN showing on US Airways website as May- Oct 757 ( early May services with 762) No obvious all econmy layout from 757 description-but this lo
28 Airbazar : Not really. LHR is just slightly longer than LIS, but cities like GLA, MAN, DUB, are all closer than LIS.
29 Post contains images HPRamper : Until the HP code is gone, and my uniform says US Airways, I work for America West Hey if a good chunk of "US Airways" employees can still refer to t
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