LTBEWR From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 13334 posts, RR: 16
Reply 3, posted (9 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 13136 times:
How could you be so DUMB - this is assuming that he was really drunk pending a investigation.
I know people can have alcohol problems and they are difficult to deal with, but when your job has such well established, reasoned and strict rules as to alcohol use and that you very well may get caught, then you deserve to be removed from working there until you get staightened out or if fail to do so, get fired.
Milesrich From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 2039 posts, RR: 6
Reply 6, posted (9 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 12693 times:
"He was suspected of being intoxicated, he wasn't drunk. Misleading topic."
Drunk = Intoxicated. DUI = Driving under the Influence. DWI = Driving while intoxicated. It's all the same. If you are over .08 when driving, you are legally drunk, or intoxicated. They are synonyms.
As far as being stupid, you bet it is, but people who drink like that have an illness, an addiction, and when they drink, they are not using their entire brain function, as if we didn't already know this.
This is sad for the pilot who is only 45, and anyone who depends on him for support. He might go to prison. He definitely will lose his job.
WhiteHatter From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (9 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 12527 times:
Quoting Milesrich (Reply 7): This is sad for the pilot who is only 45, and anyone who depends on him for support. He might go to prison. He definitely will lose his job.
If it turns out he was over the limit, no it isn't sad at all.
There are rules. He was about to fly a plane with over 200 people on board. Turning up to fly the plane when over the limit is a gross abuse of his position of trust, so I would not feel sorry for him at all. In fact I would be glad that a bad apple has been removed from the AA barrel.
Yes it is sad. It's sad that a relatively young man in a position of great responsibility is driven, for whatever reason, to risk everything in this way. There can be no condoning what he has done but it is a very sad situation indeed.
ChiGB1973 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 1623 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (9 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 11772 times:
Quoting FXramper (Reply 6): He was suspected of being intoxicated, he wasn't drunk. Misleading topic
Who's to say he is an alcoholic? He could just be stupid. If, in fact, he is an alcoholic, it is sad for him, but he deserves what he gets. His family probably knew of his problems and allowed him to "get by" without getting help. This is ass-u-ming they knew. Friends or family generally know and do not do anything. Along with himself, they have caused him to lose his career.
The union, AA and I am sure other organizations he is affiliated with offer rehab programs. There is really no excuse; alcoholism, stupidity or otherwise that can justify anything like this happening.
Going from Ohio to a UK prison will wake him up.
Some of you guys/gals probably know someone like this. Maybe you should call them up and tell them they have a problem before they lose their family, career, money and otherwise. Sure, they probably won't do anything about it, but you tried. It's the best/least you can do in a situation like this. Look for signs, drinking alone, daily, drinking to get drunk, going to work intoxicated (no matter how much or little), driving drunk, parents or other family members that are alcoholics. If you suspect they have a problem, they probably do.
Reins485 From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 136 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (9 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 10793 times:
Quoting Milesrich (Reply 6): This is sad for the pilot who is only 45, and anyone who depends on him for support. He might go to prison. He definitely will lose his job.
Actually he might not be fired. If it is his first time, he will be offed the chance to go to rehab and can continue to fly for AA. If he declines the rehab then he will be fired or if this is his second time he will be fired. He never operated the plane so he really hasn't broken any laws that I know of. I know that some times crew members who are drunk will some times say they are sick and not fly.
ChiGB1973 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 1623 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (9 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 10139 times:
Quoting MTYFREAK (Reply 14): I hope AA don't fire this pilot, they should help him.
Quoting Reins485 (Reply 12): Actually he might not be fired. If it is his first time, he will be offered the chance to go to rehab and can continue to fly for AA. If he declines the rehab then he will be fired or if this is his second time he will be fired.
It generally only works if you ask for help before you get caught. See below, the FAA will have his license before too long.
In addition, the FAA can suspend your flying license for get a DUI in a motor vehicle. AA won't keep him employed without a flying license. He deserves to be fired. The bad press is enough. Unless he is found not guilty, he should lose his job and pilot's license. It's bad enough the amount of people killed in motor vehicle accidents because of alcohol.
Philly Phlyer From United States of America, joined May 1999, 317 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (9 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 9973 times:
Quoting FXramper (Reply 5): He was suspected of being intoxicated, he wasn't drunk. Misleading topic.
Quoting Philly phlyer (Reply 5):
It sounds like this pilot should be attending "AA" meetings in the future and I'm not talking American Airlines.
Sorry that you find my comment lame, however, as a person who flies commercially about 200k miles per year, I have no use for a commercial pilot who tries to fly when he obviously has not followed the rules regarding drinking within a set time period prior to his or her flight. He or she either has a serious lack of judgment or disregard for the rules. Either one disqualifies them from the cockpit of a commercial airliner with passengers trusting their lives in their hands.
DCrawley From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 371 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (9 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 9911 times:
I am not going to make any assumptions about this man from an article whose title is:
"Pilot arrested, suspected of drunkenness"
and the article specifically states:
"He was released on bail pending the results of tests and was due to report to a Manchester police station Tuesday, a police spokesman said."
He is guilty of nothing yet, but so many people are acting like he's been tried and convicted when the article says we won't know until Tuesday when he reports to the police station in Manchester.
Quit slandering this man until they give an official report which includes hard facts!
Quoting ChiGB1973 (Reply 15): It generally only works if you ask for help before you get caught.
Even then there is a very good chance the FAA will suspend your medical license if you and your doctors/counselors cannot provide all the information, records, and files that they request. I've seen it happen and it's not pretty.
"Weather at our destination is 50 degrees with some broken clouds, but they'll try to have them fixed before we arrive."
SkySurfer From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2004, 1139 posts, RR: 12
Reply 18, posted (9 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 9667 times:
Why don't we all calm down and wait till we find out if he was intoxicated or not?
Why bother arguing about whether he IS or WAS or WASN'T intoxicated? We have no idea.....don't condemn the man before the facts are out. Let's wait for the facts before we condemn him to the scrapheap. If you're a GMPA officer then feel free to tell us the facts, if you're not then please just relax and wait for the results.
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IAirAllie From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (9 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 9084 times:
Quoting Reins485 (Reply 12): Actually he might not be fired. If it is his first time, he will be offed the chance to go to rehab and can continue to fly for AA.
As someone who worked for American Airlines as a crew member I am very familiar with their Drug and Alcohol policy. I hate to tell you this but you are wrong. If you are caught violating these rules there is no second chance. AA will help you get help if you come to them BEFORE getting caught only.
Catatonic From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2004, 1155 posts, RR: 3
Reply 24, posted (9 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 7510 times:
OMG, I am doing this flight soon, I hope they lock his ass in jail for at least until I come back (if hes guilty that is)!! What a boozer (if hes guilty), now we all know why AA doesnt serve booze on flights, its all up front (if hes guilty)!!
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