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AA Pilot Arrested At EGCC For Being Drunk  
User currently offlineChrisjake From United States of America, joined Jul 2004, 869 posts, RR: 1
Posted (8 years 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 12988 times:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/10681815/

looks like this just happened today. it doesnt say what exactly tipped people off that he was drunk. we'll see what happens.


chris


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User currently offlineA300 American From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 173 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (8 years 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 12973 times:

Apparently he was caught drunk before boarding the flight. I believe it was airport personnel. There were 3 pilots involved (questioned). I believe he was the only one "intoxicated".

User currently offlineA300 American From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 173 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (8 years 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 12929 times:

sorry, Chrisjake beat me to it (post)  ouch 

User currently offlineLTBEWR From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 13091 posts, RR: 12
Reply 3, posted (8 years 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 12812 times:

How could you be so DUMB - this is assuming that he was really drunk pending a investigation.
I know people can have alcohol problems and they are difficult to deal with, but when your job has such well established, reasoned and strict rules as to alcohol use and that you very well may get caught, then you deserve to be removed from working there until you get staightened out or if fail to do so, get fired.


User currently offlinePhilly phlyer From United States of America, joined May 1999, 317 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (8 years 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 12806 times:

It sounds like this pilot should be attending "AA" meetings in the future and I'm not talking American Airlines.

User currently offlineFXramper From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 7275 posts, RR: 85
Reply 5, posted (8 years 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 12588 times:
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He was suspected of being intoxicated, he wasn't drunk. Misleading topic.

Quoting Philly phlyer (Reply 5):
It sounds like this pilot should be attending "AA" meetings in the future and I'm not talking American Airlines.

Lame...  Sad


User currently offlineMilesrich From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 1995 posts, RR: 6
Reply 6, posted (8 years 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 12369 times:

"He was suspected of being intoxicated, he wasn't drunk. Misleading topic."

Drunk = Intoxicated. DUI = Driving under the Influence. DWI = Driving while intoxicated. It's all the same. If you are over .08 when driving, you are legally drunk, or intoxicated. They are synonyms.

As far as being stupid, you bet it is, but people who drink like that have an illness, an addiction, and when they drink, they are not using their entire brain function, as if we didn't already know this.

This is sad for the pilot who is only 45, and anyone who depends on him for support. He might go to prison. He definitely will lose his job.


User currently offlineBMIFlyer From UK - England, joined Feb 2004, 8810 posts, RR: 58
Reply 7, posted (8 years 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 12326 times:

What an idiot.


Lee



Sometimes You Can't Make It On Your Own
User currently offlineWhiteHatter From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (8 years 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 12203 times:

Quoting Milesrich (Reply 7):
This is sad for the pilot who is only 45, and anyone who depends on him for support. He might go to prison. He definitely will lose his job.

If it turns out he was over the limit, no it isn't sad at all.

There are rules. He was about to fly a plane with over 200 people on board. Turning up to fly the plane when over the limit is a gross abuse of his position of trust, so I would not feel sorry for him at all. In fact I would be glad that a bad apple has been removed from the AA barrel.


User currently offlineHS748 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (8 years 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 12102 times:

Quoting WhiteHatter (Reply 10):
If it turns out he was over the limit, no it isn't sad at all.

Yes it is sad. It's sad that a relatively young man in a position of great responsibility is driven, for whatever reason, to risk everything in this way. There can be no condoning what he has done but it is a very sad situation indeed.


User currently offlineChiGB1973 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 1615 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (8 years 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 11448 times:

Quoting FXramper (Reply 6):
He was suspected of being intoxicated, he wasn't drunk. Misleading topic

Who's to say he is an alcoholic? He could just be stupid. If, in fact, he is an alcoholic, it is sad for him, but he deserves what he gets. His family probably knew of his problems and allowed him to "get by" without getting help. This is ass-u-ming they knew. Friends or family generally know and do not do anything. Along with himself, they have caused him to lose his career.

The union, AA and I am sure other organizations he is affiliated with offer rehab programs. There is really no excuse; alcoholism, stupidity or otherwise that can justify anything like this happening.

Going from Ohio to a UK prison will wake him up.

Some of you guys/gals probably know someone like this. Maybe you should call them up and tell them they have a problem before they lose their family, career, money and otherwise. Sure, they probably won't do anything about it, but you tried. It's the best/least you can do in a situation like this. Look for signs, drinking alone, daily, drinking to get drunk, going to work intoxicated (no matter how much or little), driving drunk, parents or other family members that are alcoholics. If you suspect they have a problem, they probably do.

M


User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26444 posts, RR: 75
Reply 11, posted (8 years 6 months 3 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 11168 times:

Quoting Milesrich (Reply 7):
If you are over .08 when driving, you are legally drunk, or intoxicated.

Actually, that depends on where you are.



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User currently offlineReins485 From United States of America, joined Jul 2005, 136 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (8 years 6 months 3 weeks 2 days ago) and read 10469 times:

Quoting Milesrich (Reply 6):
This is sad for the pilot who is only 45, and anyone who depends on him for support. He might go to prison. He definitely will lose his job.

Actually he might not be fired. If it is his first time, he will be offed the chance to go to rehab and can continue to fly for AA. If he declines the rehab then he will be fired or if this is his second time he will be fired. He never operated the plane so he really hasn't broken any laws that I know of. I know that some times crew members who are drunk will some times say they are sick and not fly.
Reins485


User currently offlinePIA777 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 1738 posts, RR: 6
Reply 13, posted (8 years 6 months 3 weeks 2 days ago) and read 10444 times:

Quoting Chrisjake (Thread starter):
AA Pilot Arrested At EGCC For Being Drunk

Why do people risk their whole careers for Alcohol?? I am glad that will
never be the reason why I ever get fired.

PIA777



GO CUBS!!
User currently offlineMTYFREAK From Mexico, joined Apr 2004, 377 posts, RR: 2
Reply 14, posted (8 years 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 9911 times:

If alcohol disrupts your profession then that means that you're having problems with it.


I hope AA don't fire this pilot, they should help him.



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User currently offlineChiGB1973 From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 1615 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (8 years 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 9815 times:

Quoting MTYFREAK (Reply 14):
I hope AA don't fire this pilot, they should help him.



Quoting Reins485 (Reply 12):
Actually he might not be fired. If it is his first time, he will be offered the chance to go to rehab and can continue to fly for AA. If he declines the rehab then he will be fired or if this is his second time he will be fired.

It generally only works if you ask for help before you get caught. See below, the FAA will have his license before too long.

Quoting N1120A (Reply 11):
Actually, that depends on where you are

According to the FAA it is .04, and FAA does not depend on where you are. It also has some "under the influence" terminology. Under the influence of alcohol could be one drink.

http://www.faa.gov/library/manuals/e...rs/8700/volume2/media/2_044_03.pdf

In addition, the FAA can suspend your flying license for get a DUI in a motor vehicle. AA won't keep him employed without a flying license. He deserves to be fired. The bad press is enough. Unless he is found not guilty, he should lose his job and pilot's license. It's bad enough the amount of people killed in motor vehicle accidents because of alcohol.

M


User currently offlinePhilly Phlyer From United States of America, joined May 1999, 317 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (8 years 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 9649 times:

Quoting FXramper (Reply 5):
He was suspected of being intoxicated, he wasn't drunk. Misleading topic.

Quoting Philly phlyer (Reply 5):
It sounds like this pilot should be attending "AA" meetings in the future and I'm not talking American Airlines.

Lame...

Sorry that you find my comment lame, however, as a person who flies commercially about 200k miles per year, I have no use for a commercial pilot who tries to fly when he obviously has not followed the rules regarding drinking within a set time period prior to his or her flight. He or she either has a serious lack of judgment or disregard for the rules. Either one disqualifies them from the cockpit of a commercial airliner with passengers trusting their lives in their hands.


User currently offlineDCrawley From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 371 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (8 years 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 9587 times:

I am not going to make any assumptions about this man from an article whose title is:

"Pilot arrested, suspected of drunkenness"

and the article specifically states:

"He was released on bail pending the results of tests and was due to report to a Manchester police station Tuesday, a police spokesman said."

He is guilty of nothing yet, but so many people are acting like he's been tried and convicted when the article says we won't know until Tuesday when he reports to the police station in Manchester.

Quit slandering this man until they give an official report which includes hard facts!

Quoting ChiGB1973 (Reply 15):
It generally only works if you ask for help before you get caught.

Even then there is a very good chance the FAA will suspend your medical license if you and your doctors/counselors cannot provide all the information, records, and files that they request. I've seen it happen and it's not pretty.



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User currently offlineSkySurfer From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2004, 1136 posts, RR: 12
Reply 18, posted (8 years 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 9343 times:

Why don't we all calm down and wait till we find out if he was intoxicated or not?
Why bother arguing about whether he IS or WAS or WASN'T intoxicated? We have no idea.....don't condemn the man before the facts are out. Let's wait for the facts before we condemn him to the scrapheap. If you're a GMPA officer then feel free to tell us the facts, if you're not then please just relax and wait for the results.

Cheers



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User currently offlineAirPortugal310 From Palau, joined Apr 2004, 3625 posts, RR: 2
Reply 19, posted (8 years 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 9002 times:

Quoting Philly Phlyer (Reply 16):
as a person who flies commercially about 200k miles per year

spare us that useless information please....

doesnt matter if you fly once a year or 1 zillion billion, the result is the same



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User currently offlineIAirAllie From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (8 years 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 8760 times:

Quoting Reins485 (Reply 12):
Actually he might not be fired. If it is his first time, he will be offed the chance to go to rehab and can continue to fly for AA.

As someone who worked for American Airlines as a crew member I am very familiar with their Drug and Alcohol policy. I hate to tell you this but you are wrong. If you are caught violating these rules there is no second chance. AA will help you get help if you come to them BEFORE getting caught only.


User currently offlineFXramper From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 7275 posts, RR: 85
Reply 21, posted (8 years 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 8695 times:
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Quoting AirPortugal310 (Reply 19):
spare us that useless information please....

doesnt matter if you fly once a year or 1 zillion billion, the result is the same

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Quoting AirPortugal310 (Reply 19):

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Any updates on the results of the tests?


User currently offlinePositiverate From United States of America, joined May 2005, 1590 posts, RR: 8
Reply 22, posted (8 years 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 8522 times:

Boy, I hope none of you guys ever serve on a jury. I guess the whole notion of "innocent until proven guilty" isn't something any of you subscribe too.

User currently offlineSkySurfer From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2004, 1136 posts, RR: 12
Reply 23, posted (8 years 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 8447 times:

Quoting Positiverate (Reply 22):
Boy, I hope none of you guys ever serve on a jury. I guess the whole notion of "innocent until proven guilty" isn't something any of you subscribe too.

Obviously you didn't take the time to read DCrawley's post or my own.  Smile

Cheers



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User currently offlineCatatonic From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2004, 1155 posts, RR: 3
Reply 24, posted (8 years 6 months 3 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 7186 times:

OMG, I am doing this flight soon, I hope they lock his ass in jail for at least until I come back (if hes guilty that is)!! What a boozer (if hes guilty), now we all know why AA doesnt serve booze on flights, its all up front (if hes guilty)!!


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25 Tjcab : Yes but he intended to. They call this intent. If I take a legal hunting gun and position myself at the threshold of a runway (in public space) then
26 ANCFlyer : In order for states to receieve Federal Highway Funds, all did or must, amend their max BAT to .008. If it's anything higher, they face losing Federa
27 MAAN : The refusal of some members to condemn the pilot in question without all the facts is very admirable and for that they have my respect. That said, whe
28 Boysteve : That explains that then. I was at MAN viewing park yesterday morning. The AA flight to Miami left but no AA055 to ORD. I left just before midday so it
29 Isitsafenow : My Webster says INTOXICATE....TO MAKE DRUNK... I noticed that the AA pilots haven't, at least yet, get as much publicity as the NW pilots a few years
30 Post contains images FXramper : Just got off the phone with my uncle. Apparently he checked out the pilot in question almost 2 yrs ago. Unfortunately the AA pilot was DRUNK, and my u
31 ChiGB1973 : That is why there is DUI now, driving under the influence. Influence could range from one drink, one snort, one puff or anything. He will have his da
32 Post contains images BBJII : "Quote Catatonic" OMG, I am doing this flight soon, I hope they lock his ass in jail for at least until I come back (if hes guilty that is)!! What a b
33 Post contains images FXramper : Huh?
34 Post contains images Isitsafenow : All I did was define the word.....just like lawyers will. And made a comment that is, well, worth discussion to some.The more opinions the merrier. O
35 Catatonic : What do you mean by this??
36 Boysteve : What a stupid idea, if he turned up for work in the UK under the influence, then the crime was committed in the UK, and so he should be tried in the
37 FXramper : He got canned. Bummer grande!
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