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FL Dropping IND-FLL  
User currently offlineIndy From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 4570 posts, RR: 18
Posted (8 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 3589 times:

I saw it removed from the routemap and now the route has been pulled from the FL schedule. May 8th will be the last day for IND-FLL. Guess it wasn't doing very well.


Indy = Indianapolis and not Independence Air
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User currently offlineZippyjet From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 5487 posts, RR: 13
Reply 1, posted (8 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 3587 times:

This FL route may have been one of our seasonal routes. MYR is seasonal and I believe our up and coming SEA service may start out being a Summer route.


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User currently offlineN742AT From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 46 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (8 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 3570 times:

Every time I would look at the loads for IND the FLL route was one of the highest for the day. This is truly odd that we are pulling this route, especially since we are trying to build IND into a secondary hub. I guess that's just the way things play out in the airline business

User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 33032 posts, RR: 71
Reply 3, posted (8 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 3538 times:

Not a big deal, just a seasonal adjustment. Returning 15Nov06, IIRC.

South Florida's demand is largely from the East and West coasts. Demand from the Midwest is heavily seasonal.



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User currently offlineLuv2fly From United States of America, joined May 2003, 12118 posts, RR: 49
Reply 4, posted (8 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 3531 times:
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Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 3):
Demand from the Midwest is heavily seasonal.

That might have been true at one time it is not the case now. With people visiting relative, the famous mouse and the numerous cruise lines departing almost daily it is hardly a "seasonal" market by any means.



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User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 33032 posts, RR: 71
Reply 5, posted (8 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 3501 times:

Quoting Luv2fly (Reply 4):
That might have been true at one time it is not the case now. With people visiting relative, the famous mouse and the numerous cruise lines departing almost daily it is hardly a "seasonal" market by any means.

Please re-read what I said. I said demand from the Midwest to South Florida is heavily seasonal. That is still the case, and hasn't change lately. The Midwest has strong ties to Florida's Gulf Coast - not South Florida.



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User currently offlineLuv2fly From United States of America, joined May 2003, 12118 posts, RR: 49
Reply 6, posted (8 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 3492 times:
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Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 5):
The Midwest has strong ties to Florida's Gulf Coast - not South Florida

Do not agree on that either, as that is where all the cruise ships depart from and the Midwest is a very strong cruise market having worked for several cruise lines so far. Also the Midwest does visit South Florida.



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User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 33032 posts, RR: 71
Reply 7, posted (8 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 3481 times:

Quoting Luv2fly (Reply 6):
as that is where all the cruise ships depart from and the Midwest is a very strong cruise market having worked for several cruise lines so far

Cruise ship season peaks October through late April. After that comes hurricanes, and most cruise ship companies move their boats to Alaska, Europe, etc. There are still, of course, Caribbean cruises during the summer, but they use smaller boats, depart less often, and have a large porportion of Florida-resident guests who can find really good Florida resident bargains on cruises during the summer months.



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User currently offlineNkops From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 2670 posts, RR: 6
Reply 8, posted (8 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 3481 times:

Does anybody else still fly that route?? I believe TZ flew it at one time and DL.


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User currently offlineLightsaber From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 13250 posts, RR: 100
Reply 9, posted (8 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 3466 times:
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Quoting Luv2fly (Reply 4):
That might have been true at one time it is not the case now. With people visiting relative, the famous mouse and the numerous cruise lines departing almost daily it is hardly a "seasonal" market by any means.

??? When I lived in Florida I couldn't help but notice that for 5 months of the year the population was a lot higher than the other 7. While the midwest probably sends people to and from Florida year round, I bet the airframe could make more money during the summer flying elsewhere and instead hub people through ATL. Just my  twocents 

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User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 33032 posts, RR: 71
Reply 10, posted (8 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 3455 times:

Quoting Nkops (Reply 8):
Does anybody else still fly that route?? I believe TZ flew it at one time and DL.

Northwest flies a daily DC-9, year-round. American Airlines flies MIA-IND with a daily 738 and American Eagle with a daily ERJ-140, both year-round.



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User currently offlineLuv2fly From United States of America, joined May 2003, 12118 posts, RR: 49
Reply 11, posted (8 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 3443 times:
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Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 7):
Cruise ship season peaks October through late April. After that comes hurricanes, and most cruise ship companies move their boats to Alaska, Europe, etc. There are still, of course, Caribbean cruises during the summer, but they use smaller boats, depart less often, and have a large porportion of Florida-resident guests who can find really good Florida resident bargains on cruises during the summer months.

Yes during the Summer you have less cruise ships sailing from south Florida though it is still a strong market for the cruise lines and it is not all Florida passengers that are sailing.



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User currently offlineMD90fan From Bahamas, joined Jul 2005, 2931 posts, RR: 7
Reply 12, posted (8 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 3443 times:

Quoting Nkops (Reply 8):
Does anybody else still fly that route?? I believe TZ flew it at one time and DL.

NW flies it  Smile A relic from the IND focus city  silly 

Airline Northwest
Flight Number 637
Departure City (Airport) Fort Lauderdale, FL (FLL)
Departure Time 02/11/2006 03:54 PM
Arrival City (Airport) Indianapolis, IN (IND)
Arrival Time 02/11/2006 06:17 PM
Remaining Flight Time 01:11
Aircraft Type DC93
Current Altitude 35,000 feet
Current Groundspeed 488 mph
Flight Status In Flight



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User currently offlineRwSEA From Netherlands, joined Jan 2005, 3107 posts, RR: 2
Reply 13, posted (8 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 3417 times:

Quoting MD90fan (Reply 12):
NW flies it A relic from the IND focus city

Speaking of the IND focus city, is IND-SEA coming back this summer? Heard that the route did well with all of the summer cruise traffic.


User currently offlineIndy From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 4570 posts, RR: 18
Reply 14, posted (8 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 3331 times:

Yes IND-SEA is coming back. In June I believe.

Edit:
This could very well be a seasonal thing with FLL. It seems to be going away after the busy spring travel season. Maybe it comes back in the fall. Unfortunately I can't see far enough in advance on airtran.com to check.

[Edited 2006-02-12 00:51:35]


Indy = Indianapolis and not Independence Air
User currently offlineBurnsie28 From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 7553 posts, RR: 8
Reply 15, posted (8 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 3310 times:

Quoting RwSEA (Reply 13):
Speaking of the IND focus city, is IND-SEA coming back this summer? Heard that the route did well with all of the summer cruise traffic.

IND-SEA and DEN are for sure coming back, and I think one other one that they dropped will be coming back.



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User currently offlineIndy From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 4570 posts, RR: 18
Reply 16, posted (8 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 3305 times:

Burnsie... when I checked about a week ago NW had pulled DEN from the schedule at IND.


Indy = Indianapolis and not Independence Air
User currently offlineTOLtommy From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 3297 posts, RR: 4
Reply 17, posted (8 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 3226 times:

Quoting N742AT (Reply 2):
Every time I would look at the loads for IND the FLL route was one of the highest for the day.

Loads don't matter to the revenue people. It'a all about the yield. They can get a better return on investment by putting that plane elsewhere for the summer.


User currently offlineLuv2fly From United States of America, joined May 2003, 12118 posts, RR: 49
Reply 18, posted (8 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 3155 times:
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Quoting TOLtommy (Reply 17):
Loads don't matter to the revenue people. It'a all about the yield. They can get a better return on investment by putting that plane elsewhere for the summer.

I have to agree, most likely going to be used for the newly announced SEA service.



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User currently offlineIndy From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 4570 posts, RR: 18
Reply 19, posted (8 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 3138 times:

The service to FLL was a 717. Its unlikely that it would be put on SEA. Now it is possible the 737 going on IND-LAX might be a jet that is being replaced with the 717 being pulled from the IND-FLL route. Someone may be getting a downgrade from a 737 to 717.


Indy = Indianapolis and not Independence Air
User currently offlineVulindlela744 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 523 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (8 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 3065 times:

First off, FL has NEVER served IND-SEA or IND-DEN. Our new nonstops from ATL will be our first time EVER serving Seattle. Get your info. right

User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 33032 posts, RR: 71
Reply 21, posted (8 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 3039 times:

Quoting Vulindlela744 (Reply 20):
First off, FL has NEVER served IND-SEA or IND-DEN. Our new nonstops from ATL will be our first time EVER serving Seattle. Get your info. right

Before blasting people, why don't you get your info right. They were clearly referring to Northwest, not airTran.



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User currently offlineEjmmsu From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 1692 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (8 years 8 months 1 week 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 3035 times:

Quoting Vulindlela744 (Reply 20):
Get your info. right

If you would have taken the time to read and understand their posts, you would have come to realize, with average normal intelegence and a basic knowledge of the airline industry, that the DEN and SEA flights from IND they refer to are on NW. The plane reallocation discussion concerning FL is for the new IND-LAX/SFO, and the 737 that will be required for the SEA route from ATL.

Before butting your way into a perfectly informative and well thought out thread about a real aviation issue by people who have everyday interest in these routes, I would challenge YOU to "get your info right", before accusing others of misinformation.



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User currently offlineN742AT From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 46 posts, RR: 1
Reply 23, posted (8 years 8 months 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 2872 times:

Quoting Indy (Reply 19):
The service to FLL was a 717. Its unlikely that it would be put on SEA. Now it is possible the 737 going on IND-LAX might be a jet that is being replaced with the 717 being pulled from the IND-FLL route. Someone may be getting a downgrade from a 737 to 717.

Yeah this could never happen a 717 couldnt make it all the way to LAX from IND without a fuel stop somewhere, not with 117 people on brd. So if they do downgrade the flight to a 717 it will do a fuel stop in DEN or MCI.


User currently offlineIndy From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 4570 posts, RR: 18
Reply 24, posted (8 years 8 months 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 2826 times:

This really blows that they have pulled this flight from the schedule. We are looking to fly to FLL in September. Actually getting 5 biz class tickets. Would be nice to do nonstop instead of having to fly through Atlanta. That place is a nightmare.


Indy = Indianapolis and not Independence Air
25 STLGph : Yes Indianapolis *DOES* love Florida, but they love Fort Myers more than Fort Lauderdale. Most of the traffic in the summer time will be cruise traff
26 Indy : LOL. A cruise is exactly the reason we would be flying to FLL. I am a big fan of nonstop service. This may very well result in me taking NW over FL f
27 STLGph : well, if you enjoy flying and air travel, then why not make the extra stop? then you can check out the bemoth known as the Atlanta airport and observe
28 United_Fan : FL's n/s ROC-FLL is also seasonal.
29 Indy : I've been to ATL plenty of times. Its just not worth flying to. If I were wanting to kill some time I'd check out MEM or CLT. But when I actually hav
30 Indy : I just noticed that IND-SRQ stops in May as well. May 8th being the last day for service. Is this a seasonal route or is this route ending?
31 Post contains images FlyGuyClt : Call it a relic. But it is still flying the route ! When all this is done at NWA. When the new contracts are in place. When the playing field is leve
32 Burnsie28 : Maybe NW is just kicking the crap out of Air Tran, i mean, NW did have a lot more traffic then Air Tran did (almost double) and they had the same rou
33 Post contains images PHLBOS : I believe you meant to say non-stop route.   Have you actually flown to a destination in order to catch a cruise? Unless someone is flying from a sm
34 Post contains images Indy : To me direct is non-stop though I know in the aviation world they are two different To me a direct route from IND-LAX isn't via PHX . But I understan
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