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Potential US Airways E-190 Routes  
User currently offlineMD90fan From Bahamas, joined Jul 2005, 2931 posts, RR: 7
Posted (8 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 8373 times:

hey a.netters!! What routes do you think US will/can use their new E-190's on? Can they open up new transcons/midcons from PIT,CLT.PHL,FLL? Like maybe PHL-PDX,OAK,YVR? PIT-SAN,SFO,SJU,CUN with increased frequencies? FLL-LAX,LAS,BDL,BWI,POS? Tell me what you guys think and give me input  Smile


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User currently offlineKcrwFlyer From United States of America, joined May 2004, 3817 posts, RR: 7
Reply 1, posted (8 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 8337 times:

I'd like to see some new routes from LAS or PHX personally. Prefrably to small to midsized east coast markets that dont currently have direct service but substantial O&D to the West Coast.

User currently offlineFCYTravis From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 1191 posts, RR: 6
Reply 2, posted (8 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 8306 times:

I doubt that they will be running transcons with the Embraers. They're just not set up for that kind of long leg. But they can and will displace 737s and Airbuses on some midcons resulting in greater Airbus capacity for transcon service.


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User currently offline1MillionFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (8 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 8284 times:

Quoting FCYTravis (Reply 2):
They're just not set up for that kind of long leg.

But they are set up for that kind of leg, why do you thing that they are not?

Details and Facts please.


User currently offlineCsturdiv From Australia, joined Aug 2005, 1470 posts, RR: 3
Reply 4, posted (8 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 8256 times:

Maybe they will pull some of the B733 routes out of ORD in favor of the E190s?


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User currently offlineEjmmsu From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 1692 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (8 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 8248 times:

I would imagine the longest CR9, and underperforming 733 routes will be added first, or a combination of the two. the CR9's have already replaced quite a bit of 733 flying.


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User currently offlineFA4B6 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (8 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 8219 times:

Quoting 1MillionFlyer (Reply 3):
But they are set up for that kind of leg, why do you thing that they are not?

Details and Facts please.

Isnt the CASM higher for an E190 to do a transcon then a 733/319?


User currently offlineLaxtwin From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 46 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (8 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 8211 times:

I'd vote for BUR-PHX myself.

User currently offlineTornado82 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (8 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 8196 times:

Quoting FA4B6 (Reply 6):
Isnt the CASM higher for an E190 to do a transcon then a 733/319?

Yeah probably, but if the route can support a full E90, versus a 30-empty-seat A319, the E90 is more profitable to run.


User currently offlineFCYTravis From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 1191 posts, RR: 6
Reply 9, posted (8 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 8185 times:

Quoting 1MillionFlyer (Reply 3):
But they are set up for that kind of leg, why do you thing that they are not?

Details and Facts please.

Want a fact? Here's a fact: the EMB-190 doesn't have the range for true transcon flights. PHL-SFO is 2,521 miles. An EMB-190AR trying to do that route would run out of gas somewhere east of Carson City.

More fundamentally, any plane, taken to the extreme edges of its payload-range envelope, gets out of its economical envelope. It makes much more sense to put these planes on midcons like PHL-DFW, CLT-YYZ and PHX-MEM, that are now served by a mix of mainline jets and RJs. Those mainline jets will be freed up to run transcons and the RJs will go back to routes they're suited for.

They'll also open up new midcon routes from both West and East coasts - think PHX-BNA, PIT-DEN.



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User currently offlineTornado82 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (8 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 8149 times:

Quoting FCYTravis (Reply 9):


They'll also open up new midcon routes from both West and East coasts - think PHX-BNA, PIT-DEN.

PIT-DEN has been "opened up" for quite some time on US, and UA.


User currently offlineFCYTravis From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 1191 posts, RR: 6
Reply 11, posted (8 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 8126 times:

Sure, and PHX-BNA has been opened up on WN. But the market will be opened up with more frequency. Sorry for mixing my metaphors there  Embarrassment

US can pull the single daily A320 off and replace it with two daily EMB-190s. That A320 can then be reallocated to, say, another PIT-SFO flight.

[Edited 2006-02-12 01:55:36]


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User currently offlineMD90fan From Bahamas, joined Jul 2005, 2931 posts, RR: 7
Reply 12, posted (8 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 8107 times:

Quoting FCYTravis (Reply 11):
US can pull the single daily A320 off and replace it with two daily EMB-190s. That A320 can then be reallocated to, say, another PIT-SFO flight.

Which is going daily later this year  Smile What are some other markets? Maybe the return of US mainline service to STL? Or MCI, AUS or maybe even XNA



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User currently offline1MillionFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (8 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 8086 times:

Quoting FCYTravis (Reply 11):
US can pull the single daily A320 off and replace it with two daily EMB-190s. That A320 can then be reallocated to, say, another PIT-SFO flight.

US Doesn't operate an A320 PHX-BNA, they onl serve BNA from CLT, PIT and PHL.

America West could upgrade their CRJ service from MEM-PHX though.

The point I was making earlier is that the ER170-195 can support 3+ hour (Near Transcon) segments everyday.

Shuttle America is doing CMH-SLC for instance and SLC-IND. AC is using their 175's for longer distance flights.

The point is the 170-195 familiy can open up many 1500 NM + routes with much better service and amenities than CRJ7/9


User currently offlineFCYTravis From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 1191 posts, RR: 6
Reply 14, posted (8 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 8023 times:

MD90fan, I would really not be shocked to see some of this sort of service open up, for one big reason:

All the stations are in place.

US now has equipment, ground staff and infrastructure in all these West Coast stations, and vice versa for HP. One of the most expensive and risky parts of starting new service is getting the ground side going - gate leases, new employee hires, handling equipment, etc. Well, now US/HP combined have ground staff in lots of stations across the country - if HP wants to fly PHX-BNA, all they have to do is send the plane and the US ground staff will handle it. Same for a US flight CLT-AUS.

Connecting the dots is, IMO, a matter of time.

[Edited 2006-02-12 02:47:42]


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User currently offlineFCYTravis From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 1191 posts, RR: 6
Reply 15, posted (8 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 8017 times:

Quoting 1MillionFlyer (Reply 13):
US Doesn't operate an A320 PHX-BNA, they onl serve BNA from CLT, PIT and PHL.

I was talking about Tornado's mention of PIT-DEN, currently served 1x A320.  Wink

Yes, all those 1,000-1,500 mile segments are exactly what I'm talking about - those are "midcons," not transcons.  Smile



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User currently offlineLGA777 From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 1149 posts, RR: 19
Reply 16, posted (8 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 7917 times:

AC is planning some pretty long legs with their 190's, saw on another thread they are soon starting YYZ-SEA for instance.

Regards

LGA777


User currently offlinePSA727 From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 974 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (8 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 7877 times:

My suggestion would be to keep these out of the Florida market. That would
IMO be a waste of the aircraft's economical benefits. Although I could see
it used on flights to MIA since those fares seem to be much higher than the
ones to TPA,MCO,PBI,JAX,and FLL. (maybe DCA-MIA/ PIT-MIA).

But for the potentional new routes:
1. CLT-AUS/ SAT/ MSP/ YUL/ YYZ/ MKE/ COS/ ABQ/ TUS
2. PHX-IND/ CLE/ CVG/ BNA/ OMA/ YVR/ YYZ
3. PIT-MSP/ DFW/ IAH/ MSY



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User currently offlineJdwfloyd From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 837 posts, RR: 4
Reply 18, posted (8 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 7864 times:

Quoting 1MillionFlyer (Reply 13):
US Doesn't operate an A320 PHX-BNA, they onl serve BNA from CLT, PIT and PHL.

PIT-BNA was dropped last schd cut. The now run 3x a day on a 170 out of DCA.


User currently offlinePurdueAv2003 From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 251 posts, RR: 2
Reply 19, posted (8 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 7840 times:

I would give my left testicle to have the PIT-MCI flight back! I'm sick of having to make PIT-PHL-MCI with PHL-MCI on a CR7.  hissyfit 


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User currently offlineHPRamper From United States of America, joined May 2005, 4058 posts, RR: 8
Reply 20, posted (8 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 7793 times:

Seems like a perfect plane for markets like OKC, AUS, SAT, ICT...that currently are RJ-heavy. A lot of potential passengers are lost in these markets purely out of the desire to fly in a more comfortable aircraft.

PDX-PHL, by the way, will definitely be on an A319, if anything else it will be an A320 if the market warrants. There is just too much demand and LOTS of freight going in that direction. The PDX-PHX runs on the other hand may see some E190 action. PDX-LAS may be even better.


User currently offlineCentPIT From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 990 posts, RR: 3
Reply 21, posted (8 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 7709 times:

Quoting PurdueAv2003 (Reply 19):
I would give my left testicle to have the PIT-MCI flight back! I'm sick of having to make PIT-PHL-MCI with PHL-MCI on a CR7.

Well, you can fly Midwest from PIT-MCI. They now serve the route once daily.



I think the E90s will really benefit PIT. I am happy they will be mainline!



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User currently offlineSonOfACaptain From United States of America, joined May 2004, 1747 posts, RR: 6
Reply 22, posted (8 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 7683 times:

Quoting PurdueAv2003 (Reply 19):
PHL-MCI on a CR7.

Well, be happy now. That route is only served by the 170 and CRJ.  wink 

I wouldn't be too surprised if they opened up DFW-LGA.....or even DFW-BOS.

-SOAC



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User currently offlineMke717spotter From United States of America, joined Dec 2005, 2457 posts, RR: 4
Reply 23, posted (8 years 7 months 1 week 19 hours ago) and read 7398 times:

I would love to see some increased service here in MKE, they dropped the PIT route a while ago and it would bbe nice if that returned, loads must be good here for US since the recently upgraded some of their exprexx flights to mainline a319's


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User currently offlineFCYTravis From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 1191 posts, RR: 6
Reply 24, posted (8 years 7 months 1 week 19 hours ago) and read 7377 times:

I'm not seeing any mainline US service to Milwaukee right now, Mke717spotter. Just HP 737s.


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25 Liedetectors : are these planes to be operated by Mainline or an express carrier?
26 MD90fan : They are gonna be operated by Mainline (US Airways)
27 Tornado82 : The little DoJets and cookies already fought of US and NW once, I bet they'd do it again. Why fly US?!? Yikes. I'd never do the 600 mile backtrack. I
28 Boeing727flyer : CMH PLEASE - LOVE TO HAVE THEM HERE
29 ERJ170 : I tell you what.. it would be nice if US got rid of these RJ/DH8 on the RDU-CLT and RDU-PHL flights and made them all mainline once again.. quite dist
30 KcrwFlyer : RDU too good for an Rj or two?
31 CactusTECH : I think CLT-JFK would be a great route since many Star Alliance connections can be made...
32 Ejmmsu : I think CLT-JFK would be a great route in general, but its well within range of all the current regional jets in the fleet. At 541 stature miles, I th
33 FCYTravis : Yes, there is a station there - America West has long operated service from LAS and PHX to JFK.
34 CentPIT : Yes, PIT-DEN on US is currently 1 daily A320. UA operates a mixture of Boeing and Airbus. UA has 2 daily.
35 Post contains images Mke717spotter : well I am pretty sure that the a319 is the early morning departure to either PHL or charlotte(forgot the code   as I have seen it and it has been
36 Joeairbus : I would like to see them connect LAS/PHX-RNO-GEG. The crj has not done them any favors in regards to GEG service. LAS-RNO at certain times in the day
37 FCYTravis : Well, not anymore, if ever recently... it's all Air Whiskey. US Airways Express 3714 MKE-PHL 600A-855A CRJ US Airways Express 3702 MKE-PHL 935A-1230P
38 Tornado82 : I just have a hunch Midwest would knock off US again on PIT-MKE, even if it involved putting the 717 in PIT. They've already gone 717 for MCI.
39 Flyboyaz : Well considering that we are hiring a ton of flight attendants, who are supposed to be based in Phoenix...I would imagine the ERJ190 will be used prim
40 Mke717spotter : hmmmmmmm......well maybe it was a seasonal route or something but I guess it is switched
41 FutureFO : US used to operate a 319 to CLT continuing to BDA. No large a/c otherwise. When US used to park in the D concourse next to YX and AL. Sean from MCO an
42 HPRamper : I'm not sure I like the idea of that large an aircraft flying PHX-TUS since it's such a short distance. Seems like it wouldn't even have time to get
43 ATWZW170 : They use the CRJ 900 right now on the PHX-TUS route, or they did. I can see the EMB 190 flying out west but whose certificate are these being ordered
44 Brokenrecord : Yes, PHX-TUS is still on a CR9.
45 Sebring : Is there an assumption here that all of these are growth aircraft? Has the airline said as much? AC is using some of their E90s as replacements for ol
46 ScottB : The current info seems to be that these will be going on the East certificate. I suspect that the issue of who will be flying them will be relatively
47 PVD757 : I can see them in many of the unserved Texas-hub markets. Maybe stuff like BUF/ROC/ALB/BDL/PVD/MHT-PHX/LAS if the economics for that length flight is
48 CentPIT : Yes, you may be right. I doubt that they will PRIMARILY be used in PHX. PHL, CLT, PIT, and DCA will see their fair share.
49 FCYTravis : They are growth aircraft in the sense that any mainline jets they bump out of short-haul routes will thus be freed-up for more service on other route
50 Post contains links Airwaysdc9 : If they're smart: LGA-XNA (to compete with AMR) PHL-XNA PHX-XNA BOS-XNA US Airways currently has the worst frequency (3X to CLT, limited weekends) of
51 Flyboyaz : We've flown every aircraft from the old HP to TUS. It was only since 2001 that we started flying more and more RJ's and in 2003 went completely to al
52 FCYTravis : LGA-XNA is rather doubtful - why go head-to-head with AA on a long-thin route like that? I would say that DCA is more likely for any US XNA expansion.
53 Charlipr : I go for: CMH-MCO/KFLL/CLT/PHL/LGA/BOS/DCA/TPA/BDL
54 ATWZW170 : Star Alliance has no real feed at JFK, maybe US could beat B6 to ORD and fly JFK-ORD/CLT/PHL/DCA? I would really like to see the E190 support internat
55 Alaska737 : i think that PDX would be a great place for 190's or even 170's for that matter i cant wait to fly on one. just my 2 cents
56 Gigneil : DCA is a stronger focus city yes, but US is the largest carrier at LGA by a fairly long shot. Certainly much larger than AA. I echo hopes that the mi
57 Airwaysdc9 : DCA would be an extremely smart idea. I would imagine that Wal-Mart's corporate fleet spends quite a bit of time going back and forth between Bentonvi
58 FCYTravis : I could see a few more flights at MCI - the combined US/HP area has three jetway gates plus a decent-sized RJ/prop ramp, and could definitely support
59 SonOfACaptain : If US would ever do that, I wouldn't expect a 190 on it. Most likely a CRJ family aircraft, or at best, the 170. Naw, that shouldn't be too big of a
60 Airwaysdc9 : Interesting re: the commuter vs. mainline slot. As for the CRJ series in XNA. AMR (MD80) and NWA (DC9/Avro) both support large mainline aircraft in XN
61 SonOfACaptain : He was in the 89'/early 90's. Well, he was furloughed in 03', and was never captain on US. I imagine you were based in PIT? -SOAC
62 Airwaysdc9 : Yes, I was. I was furloughed in early 02. Sorry to hear about his furlough. Hopefully he has found gainful employment. If not, I hear they are in the
63 Post contains images AkjetBlue : ...back to the orginal topic... I would love to see mainline service return to CHO Hey it was worth a shot!
64 DTWAGENT : Well, I can tell ya the Delta is flying EMB-170's from DTW-SLC 2 times a day. And they are flying them to ATL every now and then. At least that is wha
65 Post contains images Airwaysdc9 : "Delta is flying EMB-170's from DTW-SLC 2 times a day" ...You mean Chautauqua/Republic on behalf of Delta.
66 Post contains links Airwaysdc9 : Here's an interesting article about the E190 "Guppy Killer". http://enplaned.blogspot.com/2006/01...seat-flashpoint-jetblues-role.html The focus of th
67 Ca2ohHP : You bring up an excellent point. When does it stop?
68 ERAUgrad02 : I hope ILM-CLT. We temp lost our 737's when usair returned some. 5 of our 8 ILM-CLT trips are with CRJ-900's. 2 CRJ-700, and 1 CRJ-200. Desmond,
69 KcrwFlyer : Hows ILM support all of that?? How big of an area is it?
70 Post contains images Iowaman : Oh yes, we all know the E190 has transcontinental range to CRW. Correct, and WN basically owns LAS-RNO.
71 N312RC : Everybody failed to note so far that the aircraft will be coming online on the East certificate, and will be operated in the East system first..
72 Post contains images SonOfACaptain : Well, the CR9's are operated by the West, yet are being flown in the East. Just because an airplane is based on one coast, doesn't mean it can't fly
73 Post contains links KcrwFlyer : It does iowa.. http://www.embraercommercialjets.com...ent/ejets/emb_190.asp?tela=summary Crw-Lax and crw-phx are both under 1,900 nm... Just to prove
74 N312RC : Well you know theyre operated by Mesa.. but it was noted that they were going to be deployed on the east coast first and will take over some amount of
75 SonOfACaptain : Sure, but they are still based out west. Are you talking about the 190? The 190 is going to have multiple roles. (Of course, when they first start ou
76 N312RC : Youre talking into the future, im talking immediately whats been said and what is going to happen in the immediate future... midwest expansion is WAY
77 Aer : It would be kind of cool if they reopened GUA-FLL with a E-190
78 SonOfACaptain : Well, of course, when you only have three airplanes, you are not going to expand. I still think the 190 is going to replace a lot of the CR9 routes b
79 Post contains images MD90fan : Yeah it would be indeed, but I dont know if it will be profitable because routes like that tend to carry alot of bags. Didnt they transfer GUA to CLT
80 ERAUgrad02 : we're a med sized city. alot of golf and biz. in summer we get 2 737-300's and 3 -400s. we load them up out of here. plus we have 3 ilm-phl on crj-20
81 Aer : Very true on the bag thing, and yes they changed the flight to CLT, but since they stopped flying to FLL all flights to the Miami area got stupidly e
82 KcrwFlyer : Holy crap!
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