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VS To Join An Alliance?  
User currently offlineWargo7772 From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 15 posts, RR: 0
Posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 6464 times:

what are the chances that VS would join an alliance like oneworld, skyteam, or star. i think it would work out very well for them to join star but i just wanna know what you guys think.

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User currently offlineSuperhub From Hong Kong, joined Jan 2006, 478 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 6451 times:

I don't know whether they will join one. But if they do, Star would be logical because they are partly owned by SQ. With BD also in Star, it could be a good opportunity for BD to partner with VS. There was some talk in this forum suggesting that VS should take over BD.

[Edited 2006-02-12 05:57:12]

User currently offlineBCAL From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2004, 3384 posts, RR: 15
Reply 2, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 6298 times:

Quoting Superhub (Reply 1):
There was some talk in this forum suggesting that VS should take over BD.

They will never merge under Sir Michael Bishop's and Branson's leadership. There is no love lost between them and they would refuse to work together. Besides, VS might be the better known brand but BD is the larger airline.



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User currently offlineLTU932 From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 13864 posts, RR: 50
Reply 3, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 6274 times:

At this point in time, VS joining an alliance or merging with BD seems to be very unlikely. If they would join, it would definitely be a surprise, just like JL declaring its intention to join OW, even though they previously tried to stay away from joining any alliance. But hypothetically speaking, I'd agree with this:

Quoting Superhub (Reply 1):
if they do, Star would be logical because they are partly owned by SQ.

If I'm not mistaken, SQ has a 49% stake in VS, so it would definitely make sense then, but for now, this is all hypothetical. I doubt that SRB would want to choose the way of alliances.


User currently offlinePM From Germany, joined Feb 2005, 7007 posts, RR: 63
Reply 4, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 6252 times:

Quoting BCAL (Reply 2):
VS might be the better known brand but BD is the larger airline.

Really? In what sense? Surely VS has the greater turnover?


User currently offlineBCAL From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2004, 3384 posts, RR: 15
Reply 5, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 6214 times:

Quoting PM (Reply 4):
Really? In what sense

BD is the UK’s second largest full service scheduled airline who holds 12% of all take off and landing slots at London Heathrow and operate 1,700 flights a week. They have a fleet of 41 jet aircraft which have an average age of five years. VS holds 6% of all take off and landing slots at LHR and currently has a fleet (I believe) of 35 aircraft. Bearing in mind that VS is long-haul only, they probably have the higher turnover.

U2 has a larger fleet than both BD and VS. FR is Irish.



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User currently offlinePM From Germany, joined Feb 2005, 7007 posts, RR: 63
Reply 6, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 6185 times:

Quoting BCAL (Reply 5):
BD is the UK’s second largest full service scheduled airline

Isn't that what we're trying to establish?

Quoting BCAL (Reply 5):
Bearing in mind that VS is long-haul only, they probably have the higher turnover.

So, according to most sources, aren't they "bigger"? I believe that Virgin make it into FLIGHT's annual Top 100 airlines survey whereas I'm not sure that BD do.

Quoting BCAL (Reply 5):
They [BD] have a fleet of 41 jet aircraft ... VS ... currently has a fleet (I believe) of 35 aircraft.

American Eagle have more planes than Qantas but that hardly makes them the "larger" airline.

Obviously, there is more than one way to rank airlines (number of passengers, turnover, number of aircraft, etc.) but I understood that turnover was the most common measure. Hence my doubt that BD is "larger" than VS.

Put it this way: if you wanted to buy either (assuming they were for sale) which would cost the more?


User currently offlineZvezda From Lithuania, joined Aug 2004, 10511 posts, RR: 64
Reply 7, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 6149 times:

BA would veto any VS application to join OW. BD would fight tooth and nail against VS joining Star. VS probably wouldn't want to join either for the same reasons. SkyTeam seems to me to be the only plausible alliance possibility for VS. Even more likely is that they will stay independent. I'm sure SQ would not want VS to join OW or SkyTeam.

Now, if BD were to go BK, then VS in Star would become much more likely.


User currently offlineBestWestern From Hong Kong, joined Sep 2000, 7313 posts, RR: 57
Reply 8, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 6061 times:

Quoting BCAL (Reply 5):
BD is the UK’s second largest full service scheduled airline

This is pure bmi drivel. BD is the UK's third largest carrier, and will shortly even lose this 'claim to fame', as they continue to decline, and virgin continues to grow. They are no long full service anyway. EasyJet is the UK's second largest carrier.

BD is Europes fastest declining major carrier in December 2005.

Virgin is profitable, as a respected brand, and as an airline punches far above its size. bmi is a lost, wet little puppy unwanted by its parents.



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User currently offlineBirdwatching From Germany, joined Sep 2003, 3837 posts, RR: 51
Reply 9, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 6049 times:

Quoting BestWestern (Reply 8):
EasyJet is the UK's second largest carrier.

Reat that quote again. BCAL was talking about "full service". Which easyJet is.... NOT.

Soren  santahat 



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User currently offlineBestWestern From Hong Kong, joined Sep 2000, 7313 posts, RR: 57
Reply 10, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 6029 times:

Quoting Birdwatching (Reply 9):
BCAL was talking about "full service".

Since when is Bmi full service?

bmi is a lost, wet little puppy unwanted by its parents.



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User currently offlineAussiestu From Australia, joined Mar 2001, 780 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 5781 times:

I think VS should join OneWorld. Imagine all the comments on here then.  Wink  Smile

User currently offlineTCXDegsy From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2006, 518 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 5695 times:

I wouldn't be surprised if SRB wanted to create his own alliance:
The Virgin Alliance: Virgin's Atlantic, Express, Blue, Nigeria and America! A couple of more new airline launches under his belt and he's covered all the continents he needs!



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User currently offlineDeltaflyertoo From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 1664 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 5588 times:

Well TECHNICALLY they are already in Skyteam. The fact that I can book a VS seat from LAX, EWR or JFK to LHR through CO and Delta.com tells you a lot! And you can accrue miles on either of these airlines. I have also used my Skymiles to get a free coach seat to LHR on VS from LAX. So even though there is no official alliance, this link up has been made very easy for consumers to grasp and work with and is identical to the ones used in the alliances.

User currently offlineNwab787techops From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 219 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 4916 times:

I think VS is going to stay doing what they are doing. Using Skyteam (co) and Star (SQ). It's better for VS to have two then just one. Also, it's good for Skyteam and Star to have VS, being they are in LHR.

User currently offlineLevg79 From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 995 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 4659 times:

Quoting Wargo7772 (Thread starter):
what are the chances that VS would join an alliance like oneworld

None.

BA would not let them for obvious reasons.



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User currently offlineSkymileman From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 4645 times:

I am not sure what makes me think this, but I have always thought Virgin Atlantic would be best suited to Star.

User currently offlineBombayhog From United States of America, joined May 2001, 557 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 4421 times:

Deltaflyertoo, no, they're not technically in Skyteam. I think what you mean to say is that in practice they might as well be. Big difference in meaning. "Technically" would mean that they are actually, truly an alliance member.

User currently offlineAerofan From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 1517 posts, RR: 2
Reply 18, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 4331 times:

Why on earth would they want to join star. There's no benefit to them in this alliance.

I think VS should form an alliance with EK,SQ and B6. They can call it quality assured or some such


User currently offlineVonRichtofen From Canada, joined Nov 2000, 4639 posts, RR: 36
Reply 19, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 4183 times:

Quoting Deltaflyertoo (Reply 13):
Well TECHNICALLY they are already in Skyteam. The fact that I can book a VS seat from LAX, EWR or JFK to LHR through CO and Delta.com tells you a lot! And you can accrue miles on either of these airlines. I have also used my Skymiles to get a free coach seat to LHR on VS from LAX. So even though there is no official alliance, this link up has been made very easy for consumers to grasp and work with and is identical to the ones used in the alliances.

I can book a seat on EVA air from YVR-TPE on Aircanada.com and get Aeroplan miles for it. That doesn't mean EVA is techinically in the STAR
Alliance. It's just code-sharing. Most major airlines do it.

Kris



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User currently offlineBrightCedars From Belgium, joined Nov 2004, 1290 posts, RR: 2
Reply 20, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 4112 times:

Of the current 3 major alliances I think VS would most likely lean towards Star Alliance if the ownership remains the same.

Star Alliance members and Virgin would benefit from pooling the Pacific thru several points East and maybe West, Air Canada and United Airlines would find a strong partner at Heathrow to counter the American Airlines-British Airways heavyweight and airlines like Lufthansa wouldn't see their intercontinental position threatened as Virgin Atlantic mostly serves the O&D needs of London. ANA would find a partner in London to counter the Japan Airlines-British Airways oneworld association as well as help them reduce the offer and increase yield like the former are currently busy doing. British Midland, if alive and not swallowed by Virgin by then, would get better yielding feeds for its domestic and neighboring countries network.

Actually, I'm not seeing any Star Alliance partner that wouldn't benefit from a strong partner at world's largest international (ratio of traffic) airport.



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User currently offlineZSOFN From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2005, 1413 posts, RR: 5
Reply 21, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 4081 times:

I'm sure SkyTeam are eager to get hold of VS; it would greatly increase its longhaul presence out of LHR.

However look at VS' current partners: SQ, BD, SA (they've dropped the CE partnership). They're practically STAR already in many respects.

Besides, the STAR airlines are probably BA's biggest competitors, particularly out of LHR.


User currently offlineZvezda From Lithuania, joined Aug 2004, 10511 posts, RR: 64
Reply 22, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 4045 times:

Quoting ZSOFN (Reply 21):

However look at VS' current partners: SQ, BD, SA

Perhaps I was wrong about BD opposing a VS entry to Star. However, once US-EU Open Skies goes into effect, I expect to see LH long-haul ops out of LHR. Therefore LH might oppose a VS entry. That would be the kiss of death.


User currently offlineNzrich From New Zealand, joined Dec 2005, 1524 posts, RR: 1
Reply 23, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 3891 times:

Quoting ZSOFN (Reply 21):
However look at VS' current partners: SQ, BD, SA (they've dropped the CE partnership). They're practically STAR already in many respects.

Dont forget VS has a partnership with Air NZ as well



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User currently offlineRMD11 From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 63 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 3844 times:

Quoting Wargo7772 (Thread starter):

I'd hope Star but thats just me



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