Willyj From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 467 posts, RR: 0 Posted (7 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 4304 times:
At about 7pm (sat. 2/11) I heard a news report (here in NYC) that Delta has cancelled all flights on 2/12 to destinations in the northeast affected by the snowstorm. While the storm is quite large, and will close airports throughout the region for most of the day, it seems a little premature to cancel all of their flights. Is this a cost-saving move? None of the other major carriers (as far as I know) have followed suit, and I've never heard of an airline cancelling all flights before a snow storm has actually hit, so it made me think that perhaps DL thought it would be cheaper to rebook all affected travelers on monday and not have their workforce come in at all...
I couldn't find any other threads on this subject, but I apologise if it's already been discussed.
Zsx81 From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 301 posts, RR: 0 Reply 1, posted (7 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 4289 times:
Its not a workforce issue. A massive disruption like this will cause chaos throughout the system. For example tomorrow JFK SLC flight gets delayed 4 hours due to WX. If this plane is making up SLC CVG flight afterwards and CVG LAX after that those people on the later flights are screwed. Obviously every plane going to those cities into the NE has to fly somewhere else afterwards. Aggressive cancellations make its less chaotic and the other 80% of pax around the country don't get impacted as much.
TWAAF9 From United States of America, joined Nov 2004, 88 posts, RR: 0 Reply 2, posted (7 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 4289 times:
Quoting Willyj (Thread starter): I've never heard of an airline cancelling all flights before a snow storm has actually hit
TWA did this in 1999 and nearly stranded me in DC while on my home from college.
Last winter at F9, we started experimenting with this practice of proactively cancelling flights in anticipation of major winter weather events. It worked well while I was at PHL, but it's something that's constantly tweaked and refined to ensure minimal disruption to the rest of the system.
Thank God we haven't had to deal with much winter ops at DAY (yet).
Spacecadet From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 3251 posts, RR: 14 Reply 4, posted (7 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 4265 times:
Well, we're supposedly right in the middle of this storm in NYC right now, and there's barely even a wet dusting on the ground in Times Square. I've been listening to the JFK Tower all night and following flights on AirNav Live and I haven't really seen any real problems - granted, it is a Saturday night, but then tomorrow's a Sunday. (JFK's own status report also shows no delays.) Relatively little traffic to deal with on a normal day.
So far it's looking to me like this storm is overblown. I'm sure there will be disruptions, but it sure doesn't seem like anything to cancel an entire day's worth of operations over.
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Zsx81 From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 301 posts, RR: 0 Reply 5, posted (7 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 4265 times:
Actually its not just Delta. AA and NW have flights cancelled in the morining as well. CO has their morning flights cancelled from several cities but they dont really have a choice. Their ops are gonna get impacted no matter how many flights they try to cancel EWR being their hub.
Zsx81 From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 301 posts, RR: 0 Reply 6, posted (7 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 15 hours ago) and read 4258 times:
Quoting Spacecadet (Reply 4): So far it's looking to me like this storm is overblown. I'm sure there will be disruptions, but it sure doesn't seem like anything to cancel an entire day's worth of operations over.
DL5220 XCL due to decing delays after sitting out for 2 hours. Pilots timed out. Very easy to sit in your living room and make comments.
Panamair From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 4584 posts, RR: 26 Reply 7, posted (7 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 4216 times:
Quoting Willyj (Thread starter): At about 7pm (sat. 2/11) I heard a news report (here in NYC) that Delta has cancelled all flights on 2/12 to destinations in the northeast affected by the snowstorm
The official stand from DL is that all flights into SOME airports (LGA,BOS,EWR,PVD) will be cancelled:
No updated official announcement about cancelling ALL Northeast flights. Right now, some flights are still scheduled to be flown back to JFK from Europe today Feb 12:
DL119 and DL17 from CDG;
DL83 from NCE;
DL151 from VCE;
DL 90 from BCN/MAD; and
DL73 from IST
Cancelled: FRA, AMS, BRU, FCO, TXL to JFK
As for departures from JFK, some are still scheduled to go out on Feb 12 evening:
DL118 and DL16 to CDG
DL90 to BCN/MAD;
DL132 to ATH;
DL30 to SVO;
DL84 to MXP
JFK to AMS, FCO, FRA, BRU, TXL have been cancelled so far.
Jumpseat70 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 8, posted (7 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 4050 times:
Delta always cancels ahead of a storm. It would be foolish to wait until it hits and have your aircraft and crews stranded. We have a very good OCC in Atlanta that predicts along with the National Weather Service.
I hate it when we do this, but it is the best for the overall operation.
We got a lot of flack for this during Katrina too as I recall.
SongStar From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 132 posts, RR: 1 Reply 9, posted (7 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 4022 times:
"all" flights is a little overstated...I'm looking in the res system as we speak...there are some flights canceled...but not all...great news reporting again from our wonderful news agencies...
Jumbojet From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 1159 posts, RR: 0 Reply 10, posted (7 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 3963 times:
DL flight 119 cdg to jfk left 90 min late but is in the air, arriving into JFK around 3:30 or so.
JFKLGANYC From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 2658 posts, RR: 5 Reply 11, posted (7 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 3822 times:
Good Morning guys.
As we wake up to 2 feet of snow in NYC; I guess DL and AA didn't overdue it this time.
ALL flights cancelled for today and probably into tomorrow. This is one of the largest storms in NYC history.
Isitsafenow From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 4984 posts, RR: 26 Reply 12, posted (7 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 3769 times:
This is going to add further misery to an airlines bottom line...I would think the two to be impacted most would be US Airways and JetBlue.
safe
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MD88Captain From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 1287 posts, RR: 22 Reply 13, posted (7 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 3687 times:
It keeps me at home today. Good move DAL. I completely approve.
TinPusher007 From United States of America, joined Feb 2005, 963 posts, RR: 2 Reply 14, posted (7 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 3626 times:
Quoting Willyj (Thread starter): it seems a little premature to cancel all of their flights.
Trust me they did the right thing. Theres over a foot of snow on the ground already and its still coming down as of 13:10.
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Tornado82 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 15, posted (7 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 3537 times:
They still ran their CRJ's here to ABE, somewhat surprisingly. I have a meeting early tomorrow morning with people on one of those flights, I was hoping they wouldn't make it and I could sleep in a bit.
JFKLGANYC From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 2658 posts, RR: 5 Reply 16, posted (7 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 3495 times:
Snow is knee-high (over 2 feet) in my backyard in Whitestone, Queens. Thats 4 miles from LGA and 10 miles from JFK.
Smart move to cancel all flights. My bet is that operations will be down through tomorrow at the earliest.
AS739X From United States of America, joined Apr 2003, 5820 posts, RR: 23 Reply 17, posted (7 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 3494 times:
Seems 9 US Olympic hockey players are stranded in NYC, as well as some NHL players for other countries. They won't have much time to get over jetlag!
ASLAX
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ChrisNH From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 3806 posts, RR: 2 Reply 18, posted (7 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 3463 times:
Quoting AS739X (Reply 17): Seems 9 US Olympic hockey players are stranded in NYC, as well as some NHL players for other countries. They won't have much time to get over jetlag!
Well, at least the NHL players can pass the time by calling their bookies and making bets with the New Joisey mob.
Panamair From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 4584 posts, RR: 26 Reply 19, posted (7 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 3270 times:
The following DL flights look like they are still headed towards JFK:
DL119 from CDG (circling over upstate NY now)
DL 83 from NCE
DL 90 from BCN
DL 73 from IST
DL340 from SLC
DL2015 (Song) from LAX
Edit: oops, spoke too soon; most of them are now diverting to CVG
NonRevKing From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 21, posted (7 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 3103 times:
Quoting Willyj (Thread starter): At about 7pm (sat. 2/11) I heard a news report (here in NYC) that Delta has cancelled all flights on 2/12 to destinations in the northeast affected by the snowstorm.
It's statements like that that cause everyone to panic. "ALL" flight to the "NORTHEAST" is a load of sensationalistic crap. As of this posting...
LTBEWR From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 12333 posts, RR: 12 Reply 22, posted (7 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 3084 times:
Probably international and selected domestic flights will go in/out tonight out of EWR/LGA/JFK, as the snow stopped around 1 pm today and there has been plenty of time to clean up. BOS won't be open until tomorrow morning I suspect. Is was sensible to not strand aircraft or force them into diversions or returns then to sent them into the storm. Probably their will be enough cancellations Monday and Tuesday to cover those left behind Saturday night and Sunday.
Panamair From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 4584 posts, RR: 26 Reply 23, posted (7 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 3042 times:
Quoting DAL767400ER (Reply 20): Wow, bet the folks in CVG are already loving this snowstorm for all the widebodies from far away places that it brings them
Well, the most 'exotic' flight of that list (DL73 from IST) still seems to be holding out and hasn't officially diverted yet although its JFK arrival time is getting close....BCN/MAD's ETA is still some time off so it may not have to divert.
Gotta hand it to DL for eternal optimism...the following flights are STILL scheduled to depart JFK this evening:
DL 16 CDG 6:15pm (a/c at gate)
DL 30 SVO 5:50pm (30 min. delay so far)
DL 90 BCN 6:40pm (a/c at gate)
DL118 CDG 7:30pm
DL 84 MXP 8:10pm
Willyj From United States of America, joined Oct 2005, 467 posts, RR: 0 Reply 24, posted (7 years 3 months 1 week 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 3019 times:
Quoting TinPusher007 (Reply 14): Trust me they did the right thing. Theres over a foot of snow on the ground already and its still coming down as of 13:10.
While I agree that it turned out well for DL, I still think cancelling all their flights at 6 or 7pm the night before was a little premature. What would have happened if the storm had gone a little to the south and missed most of the northeast - which happened with a huge Nor'easter last year? Would all of the flights still be cancelled, or would they reinstate them? When they cancelled the flights the snow had barely begun falling, and it wasn't until after midnight before the real heavy snow began falling.
25 DL Widget Head: That's why we have a meteorology department, to provide the best possible forecast so that logical operational decisions can be made. Of course, ther
26 Zone1: DL is operating some of their BOS flights tonight. DL 1474 a 767-300, is the first ATL-BOS flight for the day.
27 Positiverate: Exactly. You're damned if you do, and damned if you don't. If they hadn't cancelled ahead of time, and people had gone out to the airport, half this
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