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Which Major Airlines Dont Belong To An Alliance?  
User currently offlineAmirs From Israel, joined Dec 2003, 1333 posts, RR: 4
Posted (8 years 5 months 4 hours ago) and read 6638 times:

I was just fooling around with the idea that a new alliance would formed. Is that possible? what major airlines still have not joined an alliance?
VS, AI, TK, JL, Emirates, Aerolineas Argentinas, Mexicana, Asiana, Malaysian.
I am noticing the main problem would be with a major US and European airline.
Maybe CO and Alitalia should leave Skyteam and form a new alliance with VS and Emirates.

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User currently offlineSA7700 From South Africa, joined Dec 2003, 3431 posts, RR: 26
Reply 1, posted (8 years 5 months 4 hours ago) and read 6631 times:
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EK and VS comes to mind. Although some people don't regard VS as major.


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User currently offlineB742 From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2005, 3766 posts, RR: 19
Reply 2, posted (8 years 5 months 4 hours ago) and read 6607 times:

Quoting Amirs (Thread starter):
JL

JAL is actualy joining One World
http://www.oneworld.com/pressroom/releases/details.cfm?ObjectID=6807

A few more airlines...
Gulf Air
Qatar Airways (Although has been linked heavly with Star Alliance)
Malaysia Airlines
Emirates
Virgin Atlantic
Aerolineas Argentinas
TAM
Avianca

Rob!  wave 


User currently offlineBCA2005 From India, joined Sep 2005, 246 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (8 years 5 months 4 hours ago) and read 6568 times:

Quoting Amirs (Thread starter):
Asiana

Asiana is a member of Star Alliance

Other airlines which are not part of an alliance (I realise some of these may not be considered major):

Ethiopian Airlines, Alaska Airlines, Air Pacific, Egypt Air, El Al, Air Malta, Cyprus Airways, EVA Air, TACA, Saudi Arabian Airlines, Indian Airlines, SriLankan Airlines, BWIA, Air Jamaica, Air Namibia, Garuda Indonesia...


User currently offlineSoundsfishy From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 27 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (8 years 5 months 3 hours ago) and read 6469 times:

Southwest Airlines comes first to mind for me. WN is most certainly a major.

And Jet Airways ... arguably a major, though it controls 50% of the domestic aviation market in the world's second most populous country.


User currently offlineGSM763 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (8 years 5 months 2 hours ago) and read 6427 times:

Although maybe not a major Icelandair springs to mind. There are also some LCCs such as Virgin Blue (also is ELFAA a proper alliance?)

User currently offline777klm From China, joined Apr 2005, 527 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (8 years 5 months 2 hours ago) and read 6393 times:

Don't forget the Chinese airlines such as
China Airlines (Taiwan)
Air China
China Southern
China Eastern
Xiamen Airlines
Shanhai Airlines
and many more...

When will Aeroflot join Skyteam?



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User currently offlineBackfire From Germany, joined Oct 2006, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (8 years 5 months 2 hours ago) and read 6376 times:

Quoting B742 (Reply 2):
Qatar Airways (Although has been linked heavly with Star Alliance)

Qatar is concentrating on long-haul, to rival Emirates, and the alliances aren't looking for long-haul airlines in the Middle East.

Oneworld picked Royal Jordanian specifically because of RJ's high-frequency regional route plans.

Star is also looking more at localised regional operators to expand its membership, and I suspect that Gulf Air - which wants to develop as a high-frequency regional specialist in co-operation with Oman Air - is more in line with the sort of carrier Star would like to have.


User currently offlineAmirs From Israel, joined Dec 2003, 1333 posts, RR: 4
Reply 8, posted (8 years 5 months 2 hours ago) and read 6369 times:

Any chance for LY to join an allinace. I know they are trying very hard to get into one, noteably STAR.

User currently offlineCedarjet From United Kingdom, joined May 1999, 8031 posts, RR: 54
Reply 9, posted (8 years 5 months 2 hours ago) and read 6336 times:

Quoting Amirs (Reply 8):
Any chance for LY to join an allinace. I know they are trying very hard to get into one, noteably STAR.

Get real. No alliance would have El Al, there's no advantage if you can't interline pax going to other destinations. And El Al ain't in the business of flying people from Paris to Bangkok or Copenhagen to Cape Town. They fly people to and from Israel. Full stop. (I'm sure they have carried pax who are just transiting TLV but what I'm saying is 99% true.)

Israel has too many problems with security, who it can and can't carry, who is willing to fly it etc. I'm a gentile not a Muslim but on human rights grounds I wouldn't fly El Al. I know plenty of other people feel that way, and then there's the entire world's Muslim population who feel the same sentiment but 1000 times stronger. El Al would only be a hinderance to an airline alliance - all alliances have airlines (more than one I would think) that fly to Israel, so they don't need LY to put Tel Aviv on their combined route map, and LY don't offer any decent transit possibilities, and even if they did, you'd have problems with passengers of Arab or Muslim descent / anyone who doesn't like 3 hour check-in times / any member of Amnesty International / me.

Next.



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User currently offlineCessna172RG From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 749 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (8 years 5 months 1 hour ago) and read 6295 times:

You know, I've tried redeeming and earning miles on Singapore Air a few times, and they're really stingy. If it's a certain fare that was paid, they won't honor it, and if it's not their own frequent flyer program, they won't honor it, but that was my individual experience. So, I no longer even try to redeem miles on them. Not that I have to these days...


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User currently offlineAmirs From Israel, joined Dec 2003, 1333 posts, RR: 4
Reply 11, posted (8 years 5 months 1 hour ago) and read 6232 times:

Quoting Cedarjet (Reply 9):
I'm a gentile not a Muslim

I would think that with a name like "cedarjet" you would be from Lebanon. Maybe you are christian arab?


User currently offlineHAWK21M From India, joined Jan 2001, 31660 posts, RR: 56
Reply 12, posted (8 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 5949 times:

9W  bigthumbsup 
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User currently offlineMD90fan From Bahamas, joined Jul 2005, 2931 posts, RR: 7
Reply 13, posted (8 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 5934 times:

TACA and AS comes to mind as well as EVA air and Garuda.


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User currently offlineCO7e7 From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 2848 posts, RR: 2
Reply 14, posted (8 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 5924 times:

Quoting Cedarjet (Reply 9):
I'm a gentile not a Muslim but on human rights grounds I wouldn't fly El Al. I know plenty of other people feel that way

I'm a Chirstian Palestinian, and i do feel the same way. I don't think i will ever fly LY even if i have to sail across the atlantic.


User currently offlineKkfla737 From United States of America, joined Oct 2004, 1033 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (8 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 5905 times:

I'm hopeful that Jet Airways (9W) will end up in an alliance sooner or later. I guess Jet needs to resolve their issues with the USA first.

User currently offlineUSADreamliner From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (8 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 5731 times:

Aerolineas argentinas should join SkyTeam.
But since AR is temporarily out of IATA, we have to wait.


USADreamliner


User currently offlineRamerinianAir From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 1486 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (8 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 5697 times:

OA - Olympic from Greece doesn't belong to anything either.
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User currently offlineDL4EVR From United States of America, joined Jan 2006, 641 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (8 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 5678 times:

Quoting BCA2005 (Reply 3):
Alaska Airlines

While it is not directly a member of any alliance, it has strong ties with several of Skyteam's carriers (most notably DL & NW)



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User currently offlineFlySSC From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 7401 posts, RR: 57
Reply 19, posted (8 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day ago) and read 5616 times:

Quoting RamerinianAir (Reply 17):
OA - Olympic from Greece doesn't belong to anything either.

But OA is far from being a "Major" (just like many other airlines mentionned in posts above : Air Jamaica, Air Namibia, Air Malta etc...).

Moreover, Olympic Airlines should join another list very soon : the list of defunct airlines ....


User currently offlinePHLBOS From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 7507 posts, RR: 24
Reply 20, posted (8 years 4 months 4 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 5556 times:

Quoting Soundsfishy (Reply 4):
Southwest Airlines comes first to mind for me. WN is most certainly a major.

FL, which is also considered a major carrier, is not part of any alliance either... that I'm aware of.

[Edited 2006-02-13 19:14:17]


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User currently offlineCtbarnes From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 3491 posts, RR: 50
Reply 21, posted (8 years 4 months 4 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 5491 times:

Mexicana pulled out of Star Alliance after ending its codeshare relationship with UA last year. They codeshare with AA on a number of routes, but no word on them formally joining an alliance.

I doubt AS will enter an alliance, mainly since it is unclear what additional benefit an alliance would give them they do not already have. They also have a strong codeshare arrangement with AA, and thier Mileage Plan has reciprical arrangements with carriers who belong to both Oneworld (AA, LA, BA, CX, QF) and Skyteam (DL, NW, AF, KL, CO). They also do a lot of feeder traffic up and down the west coast, so there's really not much incentive for them to pair up.

There seems (and correct me if I'm wrong) to be an argument that not joining an alliance offers greater flexibility for airlines to jump in bed with specific airlines they can pick and choose, regardless of membership. Membership in an alliance may tie them to carriers that do not necessarily offer a strategic "fit" in terms of connecting traffic, or generating additional traffic through their primary hubs, and many of the perceived benefits can be realized by these individual arrangements.

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User currently offlineMKEdude From South Korea, joined May 2005, 1011 posts, RR: 1
Reply 22, posted (8 years 4 months 4 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 5488 times:

Quoting Amirs (Thread starter):
Maybe CO and Alitalia should leave Skyteam and form a new alliance with VS and Emirates.

Interesting idea. Skyteam seems to be over-saturated in the European & US markets. Building on your idea of CO, Alitalia, Emirates, and Virgin...round up all the Virgin affiliates, plus Malaysian, Avianca or TAM, perhaps TACA as well. Add an African airline (Kenya or Eithopian) and then another unalligned Aisian airline and voila! A fourth alliance.



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User currently offlineFRAspotter From United States of America, joined May 2004, 2340 posts, RR: 9
Reply 23, posted (8 years 4 months 4 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 5450 times:

What about RyanAir joining an alliance??? Big grin


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User currently offlineAseem From India, joined Feb 2005, 2046 posts, RR: 10
Reply 24, posted (8 years 4 months 4 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 5427 times:

don't be surprised but among airlines in India, IC and 9W are favourite over AI. As mentioned it is the domestic route which major alliances are looking for and with AI's domestic route almost 0, makes them not so favourite even though they are close to LH. It is far easier for IC and 9W to develop international network than AI to develop domestic, even though it seems to be tinkling with the idea through its subsidiary AIX (AI Express).
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