Luv2fly From United States of America, joined May 2003, 12341 posts, RR: 45
Reply 1, posted (10 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 14814 times:
From the article.
Rob Anders, a longtime airline industry employee, won the tickets at a holiday party in December. When he tried to redeem the tickets for a trip with his registered domestic partner, the airline refused, saying it would only recognize a spouse, another airline employee or a dependent child as a suitable "companion" for the award ticket.
It looks like NW gave away the tickets at a function, so they are in there rights to set the rules, though being a Gay man I do not agree per say.
GVWOW From United States of America, joined Nov 2005, 168 posts, RR: 2
Reply 8, posted (10 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 14539 times:
Quoting SWISSER (Reply 5): I' am not gay, but that is unacceptable!
This is pure discrimination.
Exactly. The utmost and purest discrimination. There is absolutely no reason he shouldn't have got the ticket, besides that he somehow didn't fall into their obviously flawed policy. Even though he technically wasn't recognized by the policy, the policy itself violated the law.
Nwab787techops From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 219 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (10 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 14320 times:
I don't know this program of the award ticket MR. Anders got, but it's Tax free travel laws that doesn't let a registered domestic partner fly the same as a spouse. It's not NWA agent gay rights. This is true for NWA employees who aren't guys and do not have a spouse. But, let look at it guys Mr. Anders domestic partner can fly just the same, he/she just pays $10 plus tax. So it's the TAX Laws you need to fighting be not NWA or any other airlines.
Anyways there is no law saying airlines have to give free flight to anyone....
Schipholjfk From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 579 posts, RR: 6
Reply 20, posted (10 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 13996 times:
Quoting Luv2fly (Reply 1): It looks like NW gave away the tickets at a function, so they are in there rights to set the rules, though being a Gay man I do not agree per say.
NWA gave away two tickets right? So why do they care who the guy takes. Looks like a bankrupt ariline is simply trying to squirm their way out of giving the two tickets away for free! If you have so many hang ups, then simply don't give tickets away.
AirRyan From United States of America, joined Mar 2005, 2532 posts, RR: 5
Reply 22, posted (10 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 13979 times:
Quoting Zvezda (Reply 4): It varies by state according to state law.
Where NW is headwquarted in Minnesota, you don't get much further to the left of political stature than where they are now, but without nescessarily condoning the sexual preference of the individual it is still nevertheless incredibly stupid with all the stuff on NW's plate to even begin to allow this to transpire. This should have been handled at the immediate lowest level and never raised an eyebrow - some people while they may be book-smart are just morons when it comes to common sense.
Jaysit From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (10 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 13883 times:
NW is a trashy airline. Rubbish service, ugly and rude FAs, and the only first world carrier still flying decrepit DC-10s on international routes. And discriminatory to boot. I actually gave away all my NW frequent flyer miles to a friend. I wouldn't even fly them for free.
AA737-823 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 6282 posts, RR: 10
Reply 24, posted (10 years 2 months 3 weeks 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 13728 times:
Well look who's prejudiced after all.
You guys are taking his side BECAUSE he is gay.
as a follow up to D L X, I have to ask...
No, I have to TELL you. None of you guys would be this upset if it were his fraternity buddy from college. You'd say, "Well, the law says they're not married... (hey, frat buddies are close, but not THAT close) so too bad."
Well, in this instance, the guy isn't eligible for travel.
It has nothing to do with Northwest Airlines. They clearly don't have anything against gay people, just look at the guy who said his uncle is gay and a purser on int'l flights.
It has nothing to do with the law, either. Call it outdated, call it unfair, call it Yolanda, IT'S THE LAW. If you don't like it, well, try to change it!
THAT IS WHAT MAKES THIS COUNTRY GREAT, FOLKS!! IF YOU DON'T LIKE THINGS THE WAY THEY ARE, YOU HAVE THE FREEDOM TO TRY TO CHANGE THEM!!!!!
And here you are talking about how stupid America is, just because some guy isn't getting to take his lover on a trip.
You guys are nuts.
You are free to try to change laws you don't like, and I am free to try and stop you, or support you. And the beautiful thing is that, when everything works properly, the majority get what they want.
Until you have some weirdo interest group step up and stick up for the people that have glass eyeballs and are discriminated against.
I swear, the ACLU will defend anybody on any side of any argument. But that's not my point.
My point is, if you don't like America, then CHANGE it for the better, or shut your freaking yaps.
: We try to change it but then there are close minded folks like yourself telling us to shut up.
: Well you're certainly not being sterotypical . Anyway, rules are rules, and I think NW is acting good on their part.
: I' am not sure in the US, but in Belgium ANY company will get there *sses screwed when they do such a thing based on our discrimination law. http://w
: Hahahaha, yeah right. (That's totally my opinion) Just because 2 out of 28 replies talked negatively about America doesn't mean all of us are. I mean
: Exactly, it's not like he paid and denied boarding. That would be discrimination. Exactly. Political correctness is out of control. They likely would
: I hate to tell you but I believe most airlines will not recognize a same-sex relationship of employees of other airlines. The few that do generally do
: If I got it right, any single person (gay or straight) couldn't be able to redeem the tickets. It's clearly an outdated policy.
: In fact that is a completely different thing, if NW states you must be married to have rights to get companian tickets, then unfortunatly even a non
: Yes, it may have to do with Federal and some state Income or Gift tax laws, but in a number of states like California, Vermont, Massachusetts, New Yor
: That's my point. If you discriminate equally, than, by definition, not discriminatory. They were just as not married as a straight couple who live to
: Not that I completely agree, but the rules state that only another employee, spouse or dependant child are eligible. He won it, it is not like it is a
: In Canada many contests are not open to residents of Quebec, this is because the laws in that province are different and because many companies have a
: Is "registered domestic partner" the gay equivalent of "spouse'? If not then I dont see this as discrimination, had the guy been heterosexual and had
: agreed 100%, there is a huge differnce between stating you must be married or plain NO GAYS, even with a nice wordtalk!
: More typical Northwest crap. That airline really is a joke.
: No, unfortunately. Only in Massachusetts and Vermont. Actually, the Constitution requires that states recognize same sex marriages, but that is a dif
: Did you read what you quoted? He said CHANGE IT or shut up, he didn't say like it or shut up.
: Wait a minute here. In order to change something for the better, don't we have to open our yaps to begin with? Or do you want us all to master talkin
: NWA is so dumb here. It costs them nothing more and nothing less to send the second person - regardless of who it is! This is where big companies get
: hence why he said change OR shut your yaps.
: A couple of years ago, I had to fly from Vancouver to Michigan for my mother's funeral. I, naturally, wanted to bring my partner, as he also had a lon
: I must say, Northwest is once again pursuing a pig@ss policy here, but it has to do more with Northwest's cut-corners approach to laws. Generally in A
: I really don't see what all the fuss is about. The rules say that you have to be married in order to reap the benefits of the tickets, and last time I
: But do you think that anyone, after reading what he said would really go out of their way to change it? I mean, I don't know of any post or reply on
: bull, there was a point to it, you took what he said and molded it into something that you could use to attack him, who cares is someone would change
: This guy is a NW employee, the story that is on that website seems to be lacking several details, but a registered travel partner are allowed, however
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: 84 days away from being a lawyer... give or take a bar exam. You don't need to go to law school to know that some (many) marriages end in divorce. Ho
: Richter, who are you to judge? First of all, he was going to see his 89 year old mother, which i'm sure the partner wouldn't have a relationship with
: Within the terms and conditions of the ticket
: The deeper problem here is that the U.S. discriminates against same sex couples by not allowing them the legal right to marry (each other). Even so, i
55 EA CO AS
: It's not an award ticket. It's a non-revenue, space-available pass that only airline employees or their eligible dependents, parents or spouse may us
: As a lot of people have pointed it out, this case is not very well detailed and the article is lacking in important facts for a lucid discussion. I do
: Actually, one already did. (b) It shall be an unlawful employment practice for an employment agency to fail or refuse to refer for employment, or oth
: No, actually, I do not sound ridiculous. The guy was picking apart the intent of the guys trip, something he is in absolutely no position to do or pa
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: That involved a change to the law though - where ELECTED LAWMAKERS changed the law, not a random private group of attorneys with a pet issue, which i
: Well, a lot of people seem to miss that we don't live in France, Germany or another Civil Law country. The laws of the United States and 49 out of 50
: I was mostly referring to the destination, which was for some reason being critiqued by United737522.
: From a PR/financial analysis, the fact that this has hit the press is inexcusable for any NWA stake- or share-holder. NWA will now spend thousands of