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El Al EWR-JFK Ferry Flight Tonight  
User currently offlineRJpieces From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 5483 times:

Anybody know specifically why El Al ferried a 747 from EWR-JFK tonight? Which earlier flight was messed up that resulted in this?

Thanks.

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User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26795 posts, RR: 75
Reply 1, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 5428 times:

Perhaps JFK is less affected by the weather than EWR? I realize JFK is nuts as it is, but the wider configuration and longer runways should help


Mangeons les French fries, mais surtout pratiquons avec fierte le French kiss
User currently offlineEMBQA From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 9364 posts, RR: 11
Reply 2, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 5326 times:

I would say they needed the jet at JFK to establish an outbound flight. It was not needed at EWR as those passengers would be re-accommodated on another flight, or take today's outbound.


"It's not the size of the dog in the fight, but the size of the fight in the dog"
User currently offlineAmirs From Israel, joined Dec 2003, 1333 posts, RR: 4
Reply 3, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 5176 times:

Flight 007 from TLV to JFK was diverted to EWR, so the a/c (4X-ELS) flew later on to JFK to fly its scheduled route JFK - TLV (as flight LY002).

User currently offlineRJpieces From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 5137 times:

Quoting Amirs (Reply 3):
Flight 007 from TLV to JFK was diverted to EWR, so the a/c (4X-ELS) flew later on to JFK to fly its scheduled route JFK - TLV (as flight LY002).

Dam. LY7 didn't land at JFK until past 1AM depsite having been scheduled to leave EWR at 6:15 PM...And LY2 didn't take off until 7AM...What a night.

Did the same crew that diverted to EWR fly the recovery to JFK?


User currently offlineFlyingDove From United States of America, joined Jan 2005, 86 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 5027 times:

Any idea how far the plane had to fly in order to take off and then establish an approach to JFK?

User currently offlineRJpieces From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 4895 times:

Quoting FlyingDove (Reply 5):
Any idea how far the plane had to fly in order to take off and then establish an approach to JFK?

She flew east of JFK and landed on 31R.


User currently offlineAMSSFO From Netherlands, joined Feb 2005, 952 posts, RR: 10
Reply 7, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 4858 times:

Quoting FlyingDove (Reply 5):
Any idea how far the plane had to fly in order to take off and then establish an approach to JFK?

Flightaware.com said 12 minutes
13-Feb-2006 B744/Q Newark/New York Liberty Int'l [KEWR] John F Kennedy Int'l [KJFK] 00:50 EST 01:02 EST 0:12


User currently offlineCO7e7 From United States of America, joined Dec 2004, 2849 posts, RR: 2
Reply 8, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 4819 times:

Quoting EMBQA (Reply 2):
EWR as those passengers would be re-accommodated on another flight

if this were to happen, CO84 and CO90 are the winner!
But Amirs reply make the most accurate.


User currently offlineEl Al 001 From Israel, joined Oct 1999, 1063 posts, RR: 2
Reply 9, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 4682 times:

Amirs is right.

My uncle was on that flight on his way to BOS.

He took the morning flight to JFK and they were diverted to EWR instead.
He was taken then to Boston by a car.

LY ferried later on that day the a/c (ELS) to JFK.

Mike


User currently offlineRJpieces From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 4657 times:

Quoting El Al 001 (Reply 9):
He was taken then to Boston by a car.

Paid by LY?


User currently offlineRJpieces From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 4657 times:

Did all pax get off at EWR or did some go back with the plane to JFK?

User currently offlineAmirs From Israel, joined Dec 2003, 1333 posts, RR: 4
Reply 12, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 4373 times:

Quoting RJpieces (Reply 4):
Did the same crew that diverted to EWR fly the recovery to JFK?

Different crew.

Quoting RJpieces (Reply 11):
Did all pax get off at EWR or did some go back with the plane to JFK?

No pax on EWR - JFK, only flight deck crew


User currently offlineAmirs From Israel, joined Dec 2003, 1333 posts, RR: 4
Reply 13, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 4363 times:

If you guys are interested, I can let you know on other ferry flights when i hear of them.
4X-ELD will ferry JFK - YMX on April 23, to do a chartered flight YMX - KRK.
4X-ELS will feryy YMX - JFK on May 7, after it arrived in YMX from TLV - also chartered.


User currently offlineSemsem From Israel, joined Jul 2005, 1779 posts, RR: 3
Reply 14, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 4228 times:

YMX, KRK???? Have no clue what these cities are. Could you please write it? Thank you.

User currently offlineSmAlbany From United States of America, joined Aug 2004, 285 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 4187 times:

Quoting Semsem (Reply 14):
YMX, KRK???? Have no clue what these cities are. Could you please write it? Thank you.

Just put your cursor over the abbreviation. The airport pops up.

Cool feature huh?  Smile


User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26795 posts, RR: 75
Reply 16, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 4099 times:

Quoting RJpieces (Reply 10):
Quoting El Al 001 (Reply 9):
He was taken then to Boston by a car.

Paid by LY?

I would guess so if he was unable to get a connecting flight. Probably a lot faster to take the Thruway to the Pike as opposed to waiting for an EWR-BOS flight the next day.

Quoting SmAlbany (Reply 15):
Just put your cursor over the abbreviation. The airport pops up.

KRK pops up but YMX doesn't. BTW, YMX is Montreal-Mirabel



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User currently offlineSK A340 From Sweden, joined Mar 2000, 845 posts, RR: 2
Reply 17, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 23 hours ago) and read 4013 times:

If I remember correctly, LY flies to both EWR and JFK from TLV. Why? Isn't it better to concentrate the operations to one airport?

/Micke


User currently offlineRJpieces From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 20 hours ago) and read 3944 times:

Quoting SK A340 (Reply 17):
If I remember correctly, LY flies to both EWR and JFK from TLV. Why? Isn't it better to concentrate the operations to one airport?

Many airlines fly to both airports. The NYC market is large enough to fly many flights to both and still do well at both airports. Very few comparable situations....


User currently offlineSemsem From Israel, joined Jul 2005, 1779 posts, RR: 3
Reply 19, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 18 hours ago) and read 3886 times:

Smalbany thank you. It's very funny.

User currently offlineSemsem From Israel, joined Jul 2005, 1779 posts, RR: 3
Reply 20, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 18 hours ago) and read 3886 times:

SKA340 yes LY fly to both airports. EWR is very convenient for people who live in Pennsylvania and New Jersey. JFK is quite a long schlep for them. Many airlines fly from both airports like LX, AF, LH, BA, AZ, KL and VS.

User currently offlineAA87 From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 148 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (8 years 10 months 1 week 15 hours ago) and read 3885 times:

SKA340, unusual situation, other posts explain dense traffic. Last time I flew TLV-EWR 2 years ago, I almost missed it b/c I got there 2 hours before flight time (that's cutting it close for LY anywhere), even though I was in business class, and there literally over 1,000 people on line for security and check in solely for 3 jumbos to JFK and EWR all leaving 12-1 am.

BTW, really miss SK at JFK. It was cool to first see them at EWR (flew them there once from CPH), but they belong back at Kennedy. Its a matter of tradition.


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