DIA From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 3273 posts, RR: 28 Posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 5023 times:
Looking through some old photos in the database made me wonder:
Major airlines of the world that used the 707 (including British, TWA, A^A, Avianca, etc.) used the 707 pax version until...when? What major used them to the longest extent into the 1980s? I know there were smaller airlines that flew them well into the 1990s...but I'm wondering more about worldy-recognized airlines. I know, there is a gray area here...just use your best judgement.
PanAm747 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 4242 posts, RR: 8
Reply 3, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 4987 times:
Both TWA and Pan Am used their domestically until the early 1980's.
I'm not sure of the exact day, but I remember it made NBC news when TWA fles their last 707 flight, JFK-MIA. Some of the passengers had no idea what kind of plane they were on, others were a bit nostalgic and remembered the history of the aircraft.
Pan Am's last 707 flight was a charter flight, N881PA, on January 26, 1981, MSY-PHL. One last flight of a Pan Am 707 flight occured with N880PA, on October 26, 1983, as "Clipper America" flew New York and Le Bourget airport on the 25th anniversary of the first Pan Am transatlantic jet flight. Pan Am even managed to locate a few of the passengers from that original flight to celebrate that milestone. Sadly, the 707-121 that performed that first flight, N711PA had already been scrapped by that time.
Avianca was operating 707's into the early 1990's. Sadly, an ex-Pan Am model crashed on approach to JFK after running out of fuel.
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RoseFlyer From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 9594 posts, RR: 52
Reply 9, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 4800 times:
Most US airlines along with many airlines around the world started to phase out 707s during the 1970s oil crisis. With the jump in cost of fuel, the older and less efficient 707s were being phased out especially on international routes in favour of the much more efficient DC10s, L1011s and 747s. Also 727s, 737s and DC9s were operating domestically.
The last straw for commercial service with teh 707 was the 767. It was a perfect replacement as it had a little bit more range and a little bit more capacity. It was also somewhere around 20% more efficient and could fly transcons successfuly as well as be able to make it nonstop to Europe. Also the economic downturn of the early 80s resulted in less demand for aviation which caused withdrawl of the least efficient planes.
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Another BA 707, G-AXGX (c/n 20375) was wet leased to the Qatar government in May 1981. In July 1984 the Qatar government purchased this aircraft and reregistered it as A7-AAC. It was subsequently still operated for the Qatar government by BA crews but I do not think we can count this as being 'used by a major airline' (or can we?):
Luv2fly From United States of America, joined May 2003, 12090 posts, RR: 49
Reply 12, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 4718 times:
My first ever commercial flight was on the 707 from DTW to LAX via ORD back in 1977! Came back non stop from LAX to DTW and a DC10 what a world of difference. Never flew a 707 except that one time. Closest I came was a strecth DC8 on UA from ORD to DTW and WOW was that one long plane.
Milesrich From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 1995 posts, RR: 6
Reply 14, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 4544 times:
The Iranian Oil Price Shock of 1979-1980 pushed the majors to retire their DC-8's and B-707's, even those equipped with JT-3D turbofans quite rapidly. American grounded about 75 of their aircraft in one schedule change. As reported above, TWA was the last US major to fly the 707, and that was because they had to wait for MDD to deliver MD-82/83's to replace them. Most of the 707's were flown to Waco, TX and used to re-engine the KC-135's replacing the water injected J-57's.
Gr8Circle From Canada, joined Dec 2005, 3098 posts, RR: 4
Reply 18, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 4328 times:
Quoting Himmat01 (Reply 16): AI received its first B707-437 on Feb 21st 1960 and the last flight was on Oct 21st 1986. It operated on BOM-Harare-BOM sector.
Thanks for those dates .....
Just to add a small snippet - in 1962, AI became the first all jet airline in the world (that's the year in which they retired all their Super Connies) - they had a '707 only' fleet for the better part of the 60's - till they got the first 747 in 1971.....
Quoting Himmat01 (Reply 16): The biggest regret of my life is that I was never able to fly on an AI B707.
Well, I got many opportunities as a kid in the 70's ....it was a great aircraft....
FlySSC From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 7410 posts, RR: 57
Reply 19, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 4291 times:
Air France, one of the earliest (Nov.1959) and biggest operator of the B707 used them until the early 80s (1982).
They were used again another 2 or 3 years by AF's charter division "Air Charter" and then converted into freighters.
It's to bad that no one here has posted any up to date photos of her as she now sports a nice special livery to celebrate the 75th anniversary of the Columbian Air Force and also has wing tip refueling pods installed.
Would have taken some shots but I'm not foolish enough to keep my Digi in my locker.
Vegasplanes From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 778 posts, RR: 2
Reply 22, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 4132 times:
Quoting DIA (Reply 21): Interesting to see no specifics on A^A. I remember seeing some 707Freighters around in the 1980s I believe...but what year was the pax version done for?
AA announced in Nov. 1980 that they would retire all 67 707 in the fleet incl. 9 Freighters by Oct. 1981. From the book "The American Eagle" p. 166. They picked up 15 727-200 from BN as an interm measure as the 767's were not yet being delivered. Also states AA increased capacity on their existing fleet to augment 707's retirement.
727-100 102 to 108 seats
727-200 129 to 144
747-100 366 to 396
DC-10 264 TO 269
DC-10 264 TO 294 for Carribian destinations according to the book.
Gr8Circle From Canada, joined Dec 2005, 3098 posts, RR: 4
Reply 23, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 4009 times:
Quoting Vegasplanes (Reply 22): AA announced in Nov. 1980 that they would retire all 67 707 in the fleet incl. 9 Freighters by Oct. 1981. From the book "The American Eagle" p. 166. They picked up 15 727-200 from BN as an interm measure as the 767's were not yet being delivered. Also states AA increased capacity on their existing fleet to augment 707's retirement.
Wow! The first and last time I flew on an AA 707 was in May 1980....and the aircraft was sooooo neat, clean and a smoooooth flight....although very short from IAD to JFK
Jetjack74 From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 7407 posts, RR: 50
Reply 24, posted (8 years 6 months 1 week 3 days ago) and read 3861 times:
Quoting PanAm747 (Reply 3): Pan Am's last 707 flight was a charter flight, N881PA, on January 26, 1981, MSY-PHL
A Philadelphia Eagles Super Bowl charter flight.
Quoting PanAm747 (Reply 3): Avianca was operating 707's into the early 1990's. Sadly, an ex-Pan Am model crashed on approach to JFK after running out of fuel.
Reg HK-2016 was the ill-fated bird. 1/21/90 in Cove Neck LI, NY.
Quoting Milesrich (Reply 14): Most of the 707's were flown to Waco, TX and used to re-engine the KC-135's replacing the water injected J-57's.
That's actually soemwhat inaccurate. Most, if not all of TWA's 707's were flown to MCI, with a few going to STL for storage, before they were flown to DMA at AMARC for disposal. Most started to arrive in in January of 1983, when the USAF signed the agreement to purchase the fanjet TWA 707's with the last arriving in the spring of 84, with the exception of 8, which were stored at PHL where they were impounded due violations of lease terms while operating for charter carrier Global International Airways. They were later released and sold to the DOD.
NWA operated it's 707's until November of 1974, with N385US, a 351C being the last operated 707 in revenue service. Charters were flown until they were all sold off in April of 75.
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: JAT used their "seven-oh's" across their wide network; from US to Australia. The last 707 flight was done by 'Golf India', on 31st October 1987, this
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