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US Marshalls: What Aircraft Is Used For Prisoners  
User currently offlineTappan From United States of America, joined Oct 1999, 1538 posts, RR: 41
Posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 8589 times:

Regarding US Marshalls: What aircraft is used when they are bringing back a prisoner from, let's say, the UK???
Anybody know??
Thanks,
Mark Garfinkel

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User currently offlineL-188 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 29840 posts, RR: 58
Reply 1, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 8544 times:

Quoting Tappan (Thread starter):
Regarding US Marshalls: What aircraft is used when they are bringing back a prisoner from, let's say, the UK???
Anybody know??
Thanks,
Mark Garfinkel

Honestly, they would probably charter an appropriate biz-jet.

I used to work for a company that would charter lears and Metros for prisoner flights to them. Next door the FBO used to turn their 727's and MD-80's. And I know up here they used to have a Cheyenne 300 and a Caravan....I think they still have the caravan.



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User currently offlineGigneil From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 16347 posts, RR: 85
Reply 2, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 8539 times:

They use DC-9s as well as commercial transport and charters.

The Marshals are part of the DOJ. There are several DC-9s for their use.

N


User currently offlineOuboy79 From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 4616 posts, RR: 23
Reply 3, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 8512 times:

I haven't stuck around OKC long enough to see what all is in their fleet lately, but there are a couple 737s over at their hangars these days. Perhaps Northwestair or one of the others out there have a been idea what the Marshalls are flying around these days.

User currently offlineN766UA From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 8377 posts, RR: 23
Reply 4, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 8502 times:

If they're coming across the pond I'd imagine a charter would be in order. The DOJ jets won't make it that far.


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User currently offlineDeltaGuy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 8486 times:

I've seen them use a 734 for alot of their runs, they used to fly into my old FBO all the time.

DeltaGuy


User currently offlineTappan From United States of America, joined Oct 1999, 1538 posts, RR: 41
Reply 6, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 8472 times:

I am interested in a flight from London to the Boston,MA area that would be landing in the Boston are (either Logan international) or Hanscomb AFB/Civilian airport Tuesday (today-Feb 14)
Thanks for any help.
The prisoner is Neil Entwistle...

Mark Garfinkel


User currently offlineTappan From United States of America, joined Oct 1999, 1538 posts, RR: 41
Reply 7, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 8441 times:

INS and/or JPATS??
Sound right?

Mark G


User currently offlineAirlineAV8tr From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 191 posts, RR: 4
Reply 8, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 8429 times:

Depending on the prisoner. I have flown over 50 I would say, on regular revenue flights. Pax are not made aware of this for obvious reasons. They are boarded with their guards (2 guards minimum for a max security prisoner) before any passengers are boarded, sit in the last row, and remain cuffed the whole flight. The guards must present badges, ID, and advise of weapons. The prisoner must sit in between the guards. The FA's are advised of their seats, and are banned from any communication whatsoever with the prisoner. Typically, they are caught in another state, and extradited on a mainline carrier. Many are illegal aliens being deported as well.


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User currently offlineTappan From United States of America, joined Oct 1999, 1538 posts, RR: 41
Reply 9, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 8420 times:

What type jet should I be looking for if Marshalls bring in a prisoner from London to Boston?? Would the plane have INS markings?
Thx
Mark


User currently offlineAirTran737 From United States of America, joined Apr 2004, 3708 posts, RR: 12
Reply 10, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 8410 times:
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Quoting AirlineAV8tr (Reply 8):
and remain cuffed the whole flight

They have to take the cuffs off during the flight in case of an emergency.
At least that's how it is at my airline.



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User currently offlineAirlineAV8tr From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 191 posts, RR: 4
Reply 11, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 8393 times:

Quoting AirTran737 (Reply 10):
Quoting AirlineAV8tr (Reply 8):
and remain cuffed the whole flight

They have to take the cuffs off during the flight in case of an emergency.
At least that's how it is at my airline.

I just checked on that, and you're absolutely correct. They are un-cuffed.

Quoting Tappan (Reply 9):
What type jet should I be looking for if marshals bring in a prisoner from London to Boston?? Would the plane have INS markings?
Thx
Mark

The aircraft will not have any special markings, and neither will the gaurds. Typically, even we find it hard to identify them. They are pre-boarded for instance, and they typically will fool the FA's who think that they're revenue pax. They look completely average until they flash the badge, and paperwork. If it's for instance a "National Security" type prisoner, they will usually charter, or use government aircraft.



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User currently offlineORDSPOTTER From Poland, joined Apr 2005, 33 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 8346 times:

At ORD, I have seen the 737-400 being used to transport prisoners. It is a all white color painted aircraft which usually parks at the Signature Flight Support area. It is not there very long. 30 to 45 minutes tops. Their call sign is Department of Justice followed by the flight number.

Cheers
Mark



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User currently offlineAirlineAV8tr From United States of America, joined Feb 2006, 191 posts, RR: 4
Reply 13, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 8313 times:

Quoting ORDSPOTTER (Reply 12):
At ORD, I have seen the 737-400 being used to transport prisoners. It is a all white color painted aircraft which usually parks at the Signature Flight Support area. It is not there very long. 30 to 45 minutes tops. Their call sign is Department of Justice followed by the flight number

Is there a reason that they're transporting such a large group? I know that they had a "mass exodus" of illegal aliens to MEX on an ATA 757, but where would such a large group of prisoners be going? I'm not saying at all that this doesn't happen, I'm just wondering why.



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User currently offlineN1120A From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 26815 posts, RR: 75
Reply 14, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 8265 times:

Quoting Tappan (Reply 9):
What type jet should I be looking for if Marshalls bring in a prisoner from London to Boston?? Would the plane have INS markings?

If they are flying commercial, they will almost certainly come in on AA109 arriving from LHR at 1250 or AA155 arriving from LHR at 2015. The flights will arrive Terminal E for international customs clearence. Any particular reason you are interested in Entwistle's extradition flight?



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User currently offlineANCFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 8239 times:

Quoting N1120A (Reply 14):
Any particular reason you are interested in Entwistle's extradition flight?

Profile says he's a photojournalist - that's be my guess.


User currently offlineEMBQA From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 9364 posts, RR: 11
Reply 16, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 8190 times:

Quoting Tappan (Reply 6):
The prisoner is Neil Entwistle...

He's not being transported by the US Marshals, but the Mass. State Police and/or Boston PD. He'll come back on one of the daily flights from London and be removed through the jetway and walk right into a waiting police car.

[Edited 2006-02-14 12:26:08]


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User currently offlineTappan From United States of America, joined Oct 1999, 1538 posts, RR: 41
Reply 17, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 2 days ago) and read 8092 times:

Yes, I am a photojournalist. Thanks for all the answers. But I was led to beleive that it was definately the US Marshalls NOT State Police or anybody else.
**AND N112OA** there are many more flights other than the AA fl 109 or AA155
why would you think that he would not come onto Virgin 11 or BA 213?
Why Logan? Why not Hanscom in Bedford,MA??
And would it be a regular commercial flight or one of these smaller DOJ biz jets?

Thanks everybody!
Mark Garfinkel


User currently offlineTjwgrr From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 2507 posts, RR: 2
Reply 18, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 7949 times:

I've felt like a prisoner on quite a few flights......  tired 


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User currently offlineNorthwestair From Poland, joined Jul 2001, 650 posts, RR: 4
Reply 19, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 7885 times:

I haven't seen the 727 for a long time here in OKC. You see the 737-400 all white A/C taxing from the US marshals Hangar to the Federal Transfer Terminal across the airport. I would guess that the marshals figured out that it was a lot cheaper to transport the prisoner's on the 737 instead of the very costly 727's. I have seen a Corporate type jet sitting by the marshals Hangar, probably for the more high profile prisoners.


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User currently offlinePoitin From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 7880 times:

There was an hour long Discovery Channel special called "Con Air" about this. Showed how they transport prisoners. It was the US Marshalls doing it, but that was for federal prisioners.

Every state has some sort of transport system, usually charter.


User currently offlineL-188 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 29840 posts, RR: 58
Reply 21, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 7874 times:

Quoting AirlineAV8tr (Reply 13):
Is there a reason that they're transporting such a large group?

Depends, the State of Alaska will move that many people to Arizona since they are contracting with private prisons down there to hold them.

Quoting Poitin (Reply 20):
Every state has some sort of transport system, usually charter.

State and local officals can also get space-A room on USMS flights also.



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User currently offlineEMBQA From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 9364 posts, RR: 11
Reply 22, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 7857 times:

Quoting Tappan (Reply 17):
Why Logan? Why not Hanscom in Bedford,MA??

Because Virgin or American Airlines don't fly to Hanscom. He'll come back commercial... no different then any other prisoner. As said this morning, he'll be taken right off the plane, down the steps on the jetway right to a waiting police car. Unless you have a SIDA ramp pass with a Customs sticker to get on the ramp at Terminal E.. the closest you'll get is the nightly news.



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User currently offlineRedneckslim From Congo (Brazzaville), joined Sep 2005, 97 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 7809 times:

From what I read on this website that would be RAYANAIR

User currently offlineLTBEWR From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 13202 posts, RR: 16
Reply 24, posted (8 years 10 months 2 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 7776 times:

The 'Con Air', that is flights operated of only prisioners under the jurisdiction of the US Marshalls service can include: 1) new prisioners being taken to their new home jail; 2) prisioners being transferred to other jail facilities and 3) prisioners being transported to appear in court to give testimony. They have their own dedicated a/c, and use OKC as their hub. Other smaller aircraft may be used for where transporting a prisoner to give testimony or emergency transfers or where accused terrorists. Some large states like California, NY State may have their own 'con air's' to transport prisioners around.
Some persons whom have been arrested and/or are low flight risk prisioners, are transported by commercial aircraft with marshalls or state police where applicable. That will probably be the case with Mr. Entwhistle as discussed above. They would probably use AA, an USA registered airline in his case as due to security issues, the guns carried by the police that will be accompining him, 'buy American' statutes and so on. It would also be much cheaper to use commercial than a charter biz jet.


25 Post contains links 10MID : How about this plane? http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/8/88/Con_Air_Poster.jpg
26 Post contains images Hawk44 : Might be nice if a journalist knew how to spell US Marshal Hawk44
27 Tappan : Thanks for the correction Mr Student----> Hawk44 You know I never would have guessed from your member profile that you were such a nice guy to coorect
28 Joness0154 : Wow, spelling nazi anyone? Get over it. It has no bearing in this thread.
29 ORDPIA : CNN and Fox News just reported that he would be on a private jet today. No word on which airport he would be departing/arriving.
30 Tappan : Any idea what plane type to look for?? I will be here all day at Hansom..... Mark Garfinkel p.s I see nothing on flight tracker websites...
31 Post contains links Trident3 : He was handed over to US Marshals at Gatwick and put on a private plane. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4717094.stm
32 LTBEWR : From a news article on MSNBC.com, Mr. Entwhistle will be leaving on a private jet out of LGW. Probably the notority of his crime, the logisticts, secu
33 EMBQA : Well I'll be..!! As a tax payer I sure want to know why he needs to fly across the pond on a private jet and not a scheduled flight..??
34 L-188 : Yup, exactly why. And don't worry, it is just a charter flight. In fact if you figure that there is probably two or three Marshalls flying with him,
35 Post contains links Breiz : What about this one: http://www.flugzeugbilder.de/search4...ng=1&srch=N822US&offset=0&range=25 We had the surprise of its visit in Stavanger Norway i
36 ORDPIA : It was actually the FAA's G-IV(N1) painted in air force one-ish livery. Just landed in Bedford. Also interesting, the jet landed in Maine before cont
37 EMBQA : Customs in BGR. They are noted for discreet, fast service. Trust me, this looser is far from the most note worthy person they have dealt with... they
38 Tappan : I watched (and photographed) the landing of the very cool Gulfstream (G4)-----> N1 (tail number) with AF one livery....... Mark Garfinkel Ps They land
39 Iolar2 : What are these "rendition flights" regarding prisoners? I first heard about them from listening to Oireachtas (Irish Parliament) proceedings, and it p
40 Hawk44 : Right except when the spelling means different things. Last time I checked Marshalls does not execute warrants, protect judicial officials, or transp
41 Thomasphoto60 : Get over yourself Hawk. Mark is an accomplished Photojournalist at the Boston Hearld with photos in the A.Net DB that will blow you away and a RR of
42 Post contains images Gr8Circle : They should fly them on LH 744, Economy class....it's a real punishment in the air.....
43 EMBQA : Several of the national reports did ask... "Why was this guy flown back to the US first class on a Gulfstream"...?? I'd love to know what we paid for
44 Hawk44 : I will reply in PM Tappan Hawk44[Edited 2006-02-16 06:03:27]
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