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User currently offlineRampart From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 3067 posts, RR: 7
Posted (8 years 2 months 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 4595 times:

While only a limited number of you might actually have seen the news report, maybe some of you have heard elsewhere, and it's an interesting topic in general. I didn't see anything recent on the forum index.

Channel 7 (ABC local) News in New York City was to do a feature story last week on a proposal for a major replacement airport for New York City. I didn't catch the story, nor have I seen mention of it elsewhere. Anyone know about it?

-Rampart

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User currently offlineAcidradio From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 1866 posts, RR: 10
Reply 1, posted (8 years 2 months 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 4545 times:
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So how many airports can they cram into the NYC airspace? Isn't it already a disaster as it is? What more do they want? Unless they are thinking about say, building something to replace BOTH JFK and LGA then getting rid of those two. But that is about as extreme as it could get. Somehow I HIGHLY doubt that would happen.


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User currently offline2travel2know From Panama, joined Apr 2005, 3580 posts, RR: 4
Reply 2, posted (8 years 2 months 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 4543 times:

Whenver I see a high-speed train from Manhattan to SWF or Garbrielski Airport on Long Island I'll start beliving it.


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User currently offlineLTU932 From Germany, joined Jan 2006, 13864 posts, RR: 50
Reply 3, posted (8 years 2 months 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 4511 times:

Quoting Acidradio (Reply 1):
Somehow I HIGHLY doubt that would happen.

I agree. The New York Port Authority has JFK, LGA and EWR. Why build yet another airport? I mean, isn't it enough with Newark, La Guardia and Idlewild?


User currently offlineIowaman From United States of America, joined May 2004, 4312 posts, RR: 6
Reply 4, posted (8 years 2 months 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 4500 times:
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Get rid of JFK and LGA, and build an airport with about 8 parallels with quad CATIII approaches, and that should take care of some delays. Don't ask me where to build it though. Wink

User currently offlineSuperhub From Hong Kong, joined Jan 2006, 476 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (8 years 2 months 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 4478 times:

Quoting Iowaman (Reply 4):
Get rid of JFK and LGA, and build an airport with about 8 parallels with quad CATIII approaches, and that should take care of some delays. Don't ask me where to build it though.

Out into the sea off JFK. It will link to EWR via an express train, stopping at Queens, Manhattan (Grand Central?) on the way, at a place where people can transfer to the subway easily.

A new 8-lane highway will be constructed to the new airport. Because JFK is nearby, the Airtrain will be extended to the new airport.

This is my dream. But the probability of that happening in real life is 0.


User currently offlineMir From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 21080 posts, RR: 56
Reply 6, posted (8 years 2 months 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 4436 times:

Quoting Superhub (Reply 5):
This is my dream. But the probability of that happening in real life is 0.

Oh it could easily happen. All you need is a few billion dollars. Two-thirds of it to build the airport and infrastructure, and the rest to shut up the NIMBYs and environmentalists.

-Mir



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User currently offlineSTT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16689 posts, RR: 51
Reply 7, posted (8 years 2 months 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 4170 times:

Quoting Superhub (Reply 5):
Out into the sea off JFK.

Your not going to build an airport in the open Ocean, especially in the Atlantic Ocean. The airport would have worse delays because of fog, swells, Nor-easters etc..

The new airport the Port Authority is studying would supplement or replace Teterboro which has had a few widely publicized incidents lately. The new airport would not be a International airport, it might not even be Commercial.



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User currently offlineME AVN FAN From Switzerland, joined May 2002, 13920 posts, RR: 25
Reply 8, posted (8 years 2 months 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 4142 times:

Quoting Iowaman (Reply 4):
Don't ask me where to build it though. Wink

Suggest to build the new super-airport into the Jamaica Bay, filling it up, and integrating the "old" JFK. A network of express-trains should link NewYorkBay (as the new name should be) with various areas around, including places in Connecticut, NewJersey and Philadelphia. The cargo-terminal and customs-free-zone should be complemented by a small freight harbour for shipping-lines interested in a swift transfer of sea-cargo onto airfreighters operating farther into the continent.


User currently offlineLTBEWR From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 12877 posts, RR: 12
Reply 9, posted (8 years 2 months 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 4134 times:

IF it is to replace TEB, it is because of the number of incidents over the last year getting all the residential NIMBY's rilled up in nearby towns. Several years ago, an a/c trying to land at TEB crashed into a house destroying it, as well as the infimous Feb 2, 2005 crash off the north end into a warehouse. I would suspect that biz jet operators and their big time corp owners would have a fit over closing TEB claiming it would hurt business in the region and put pressure on the politicans to not do it.

User currently offlineSpacecadet From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 3517 posts, RR: 12
Reply 10, posted (8 years 2 months 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 4098 times:

Quoting Mir (Reply 6):
Oh it could easily happen. All you need is a few billion dollars.

Uh, yeah, that'll maybe buy you a runway.

For a whole new airport and the infrastructure to support it, try something more along the lines of $100 billion or so.

It will never happen. Nor does it even need to, and nor could it, really. There's about as much capacity at NY airports as there is in NY airspace, so building a new airport would accomplish basically nothing.



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User currently offlinePdpsol From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 1088 posts, RR: 6
Reply 11, posted (8 years 2 months 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 4095 times:

Quoting ME AVN FAN (Reply 8):
Suggest to build the new super-airport into the Jamaica Bay, filling it up, and integrating the "old" JFK. A network of express-trains should link NewYorkBay (as the new name should be) with various areas around, including places in Connecticut, NewJersey and Philadelphia.

This idea is INSANE! Such a ridiculous project would destroy the fragile eco-system in Jamaica Bay and represent a huge waste of taxpayer resources. "Fill in" Jamaica Bay? Are you smoking crack? I have never heard of such an absurd idea.

The days of Robert Moses paving over miles of New York City and Long Island are OVER! New Yorkers do not want and do not NEED a mega-JFK extending into Jamaica Bay. JFK can easily expand its current facilities and greatly grow its traffic without such outlandish projects.


User currently offlineSTT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16689 posts, RR: 51
Reply 12, posted (8 years 2 months 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 4060 times:

Quoting ME AVN FAN (Reply 8):
The cargo-terminal and customs-free-zone should be complemented by a small freight harbour for shipping-lines interested in a swift transfer of sea-cargo onto airfreighters operating farther into the continent.

You can't get large vessels into Jamaica bay because of the shallow waters and the MTA Subway bridges which would block large traffic, Jamaica Bay is an estuary not a Harbor.



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User currently offlineJeffry747 From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 963 posts, RR: 2
Reply 13, posted (8 years 2 months 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 4060 times:
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Why not just expand ISP and take some of the load of off LGA?


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User currently offlineNycfly75 From Italy, joined Aug 2005, 750 posts, RR: 10
Reply 14, posted (8 years 2 months 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 4058 times:

I live in Howard Beach, near JFK...getting a new international airport here is so far down the list of priorities here that it would not happen for decades even if the idea were true...There are so many backward thinking NIMBY's here that that alone would stop the idea dead in its tracks....remember we couldnt even get the Olympic Stadium approved after a very rough public and politcal 2 year process..I dont want to imagine what the airport approval process would be like. For now New York's priorities are:

Rebuilding Ground Zero.
Expanding rail connections.
Building a new stadiums for the Mets and Yankees
A new Arena Devlopment for the Nets in Brooklyn.
Waterfront Redevlopment.

Besides, as Pdpsol said, JFK has room to expand on its current acreage.

[Edited 2006-02-14 23:32:53]

[Edited 2006-02-14 23:33:45]

User currently offlineSTT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16689 posts, RR: 51
Reply 15, posted (8 years 2 months 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 4021 times:

Quoting Nycfly75 (Reply 14):
A new Arena Devlopment for the Nets in Brooklyn.

The NIMBYs might kill that project too, hopefully the Nets will move to downtown Newark with the Devils. The Newark Arena is already under construction.



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User currently offline2travel2know From Panama, joined Apr 2005, 3580 posts, RR: 4
Reply 16, posted (8 years 2 months 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 3978 times:

Quoting Jeffry747 (Reply 13):
Why not just expand ISP and take some of the load of off LGA?

Only given a highspeed rail between the airport itself and Grandcentral Station or Penn Station. Without a highspeed rail, ISP is only attractive for people in Norforlk and Suffolk Counties.



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User currently offlineRampart From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 3067 posts, RR: 7
Reply 17, posted (8 years 2 months 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 3778 times:

So I guess nobody saw the news feature I referred to. It may have had something to do with a new GA reliever airport, I can't say, though that has been in the news recently.

I don't have a clue where they might build a new major airport. An offshore airport would be risky on the Atlantic side, but I wonder if a Long Island Sound version would work (ignoring NIMBYs and assuming environmental consequences would be mediated)?

My personal plan is to put the length of I-95 that's adjacent to EWR in a tunnel, build another long parallel runway over it with enough separation to allow increased activity in bad weather. Then, close the crosswind runway and expand the terminals in that direction. Even more radical, take a rectangle of land east of I-95, in the Newark/Elizabeth ports, and build a new runway and intermodal cargo facility connected to the port. Then, move all the cargo ops on the north and south end to the east side, and make room for more terminal expansion north and south. However, port facilities are a huge economy and we couldn't afford to lose them. And, I'd hate to lose IKEA, and miss watching takeoffs and landings from their cafeteria view!  Smile

-Rampart


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