CPH-R From Denmark, joined May 2001, 6303 posts, RR: 3 Posted (9 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 2300 times:
According to the online version of the Danish newspaper Berlingske Tidende, the talks between SAS & the company's pilots have collapsed. No word from either side, but it sure haven't helped that it would appear that some of the pilots more or less invited people from Ryanair to CPH over the weekend, to see what they could offer.
CPH-R From Denmark, joined May 2001, 6303 posts, RR: 3
Reply 2, posted (9 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 2282 times:
Just spotted a comment from the spokesman for the Danish pilots, Mogens Holgaard:
"We feel completely powerless. The intentions of the managemet is clear: They want to split us up into 4 companies with the sole purpose of weaking our organisation, so we'll end up competing against each other on lower payments and working conditions."
"Completely powerless?" Wasn't it them who shut down operations not too long ago, costing their company several million DKK?
TR From UK - England, joined May 2001, 957 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (9 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 2236 times:
The official SAS statement on the issue:
Operational transfer to be implemented
In a protracted process, SAS and the pilots' trade unions have discussed several issues regarding how the airlines (Scandinavian Airlines Danmark, SAS Braathens, Scandinavian Airlines Sverige and Scandinavian Airlines
International) can achieve profitability and competitiveness. A decisive requirement is completion of the incorporation process that commenced in 2004.
Today, it is only the pilots in Scandinavian Airlines Danmark and Scandinavian Airlines Sverige that are not employed in the operation in which they work. The reason for incorporation is that each airline must be in a position to assume full responsibility for organizing, managing and assigning work for all of its employee groups. Organizing the employees in the operations in which they work is necessary for creating distinct management and earnings-based responsibility.
SAS and the pilots' unions met again on February 13 and 14, 2006, to continue the talks on how the intended operational transfer can be implemented jointly.
SAS offered a partnership agreement to strengthen the cooperation between SAS and the pilots' unions to ensure transformation into competitive and profitable airlines, which is decisive for expansion, employment, career opportunities and motivated employees.
Since SAS and the pilots' trade unions have completely different views of how operations are to be conducted and organized, SAS, in reference to its responsibility for conducting operations, decided to implement central section 11 codetermination negotiations in accordance with the Swedish Act on Codetermination. In this context, SAS again described the background to its intended operational transfer and the codetermination negotiations were then suspended without agreement.
The pilots' unions have stated that SAS is not entitled to make decisions of this type unilaterally. SAS evaluated the objections presented by the pilots' unions and found that there were no legal barriers to making and implementing such decisions.
SAS has subsequently decided to implement the operational transfer of short-haul pilots from Scandinavian Airlines Danmark and Scandinavian Airlines Sverige to SAS Scandinavian Danmark A/S and SAS Scandinavian Sverige AB effective March 1, 2006. From the same date, the negotiation mandate for the pilots' collective agreements will be transferred from the SAS Consortium to Scandinavian Airlines Danmark, SAS Braathens, Scandinavian Airlines Sverige and Scandinavian Airlines International.
The current collective agreements will be transferred unaltered to the airlines, based on the Act on Employees Rights in the Event of Transfers or Undertakings in Denmark and the Acts on Codetermination and Employment Protection in Sweden.
Heisan67 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (9 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 2215 times:
More info from Norwegian newspaper "Aftenposten":
Talks break down between SAS and its pilots
More flight chaos looms in Norway and throughout Scandinavia. Negotiations between airline SAS and its pilots broke down Tuesday afternoon, and a long-simmering conflict may boil over once again.
Thousands of passengers were stranded when SAS pilots went on strike in Denmark last month.
Better than feared for SAS - 09.02.2006
One in three will avoid SAS Braathens - 08.02.2006
Traffic down at SAS, up at Norwegian - 07.02.2006
Snow snarls traffic - 06.02.2006
Workers triumph over SAS - 31.01.2006
SAS Braathens back on schedule - 30.01.2006
SAS security blasted - 27.01.2006
SAS Braathens woes continue - 26.01.2006
Danish SAS pilots halt strike - 25.01.2006
PM demands SAS control - 25.01.2006
SAS chaos continued - 24.01.2006
Sick calls delay flights - 23.01.2006
The conflict led to scores of SAS Braathens pilots in Norway calling in sick in late January. At the same time, SAS pilots in Denmark went out on a wildcat strike, and it all led to hundreds of flights being cancelled or delayed.
Cathrine Foss Stene, communications director in SAS Braathens, told Aftenposten.no Tuesday afternoon that she could confirm the two sides had "gone from one another" with no agreement.
Pilots' organizations in Norway, Sweden and Denmark have been meeting with SAS management in Stockholm. Talks extended late into the night on Monday and resumed Tuesday morning.
Now the airline's 2,200 pilots are calling the standoff "an open declaration of war." At issue is whether the pilots can continue to negotiate as one large organization, or whether they'll be divided up into national organizations based on the country where they're employed.
SAS management reportedly remains adamant that all negotiations on the pilots' pay, benefits and working conditions must go through national organizations from April 1.
The pilots want to continue to negotiate as a large group across national lines.
Jens Lippestad, deputy leader of the Norwegian pilots' organization at SAS Braathens, is furious, and accuses SAS of attempts at union-busting.
"The company's agenda has been to bust the union," he told Aftenposten.no. "There hasn't been any talk about real negotiations."
Lippestad warned of a strike from April 1. "They're choosing a full conflict with 2,200 employees," he said, adding that a strike "is clearly one of the means we can come to use."
SAS had no immediate comment on the breakdown in talks between management and the pilots.
CPH-R From Denmark, joined May 2001, 6303 posts, RR: 3
Reply 6, posted (9 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 2175 times:
Quoting Heisan67 (Reply 5): Lippestad warned of a strike from April 1. "They're choosing a full conflict with 2,200 employees," he said, adding that a strike "is clearly one of the means we can come to use."
Unfortunately, I doubt that the pilots are going to meet much support from the rest of the SAS labor unions, just like their last strike. They've pretty much alienated everyone, both those inside their company as well as the travelling public who still sees them as an overpaid elite class, who are trying to maintain a Golden Days of Flying aura around their profession.
OyKIE From Norway, joined Jan 2006, 2804 posts, RR: 4
Reply 7, posted (9 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 2164 times:
Quoting Heisan67 (Reply 1): Passengers holding a SAS-ticket may find themselves waiting at airports in the near future.
If you are traveling before 01. April, then you should be fine. I don't think the SAS Braathens people dare to be more sick before this date. But after 01. April I believe that there will be a full strike since the pilots seems eager to fight this one hard if they are not able to come together once more. This is a psycological move from both parties, and SAS managemets rejection today is a part of that strategy.Interesting to see how this turns out. Earlier the SAS management has been very weak against the pilot organazations, so they are used to getting what they want.
Dream no small dream; it lacks magic. Dream large, then go make that dream real - Donald Douglas
Copenhagenboy From Denmark, joined Sep 2001, 599 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (9 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 days ago) and read 2100 times:
I just saw it in the news, maybe I was crazy but I am going to BKK on SAS April 26. Well I would not like to be transfered to any other company not going non-stop or stucked in the CPH waiting several days to travel on a holiday. Well at least the intercon was not affected the last time