Trvlr From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 4430 posts, RR: 19 Posted (9 years 9 months 2 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 11517 times:
No word yet on network expansion.
Hawaiian Airlines Announces Wide-Body Fleet Expansion
Tuesday February 14, 8:00 am ET
HONOLULU, Feb. 14 /PRNewswire-FirstCall/ -- Hawaiian Airlines (Amex: HA; PCX) announced today that it has signed letters of intent to acquire four additional Boeing 767-300 aircraft, which will bring its long-haul fleet to a total of 18 of the wide-body aircraft. The company expects to introduce these aircraft into service after necessary modification work has been completed. The expected dates of introduction and the additional services these aircraft will operate will be announced at a later date.
"This expansion is great news for our company, our employees -- especially those we will be able to recall from furlough -- and for Hawaii tourism," said Mark Dunkerley, president and chief executive officer.
The four 767-300 aircraft Hawaiian will acquire were previously operated by Delta Airlines, which rejected its leases on the aircraft in conjunction with its ongoing Chapter 11 reorganization. Each will be overhauled and outfitted in Hawaiian's standard interior configuration, including 18 seats in First Class and 242 seats in Coach. The letters of intent are subject to certain closing conditions.
Flying-Tiger From Germany, joined Aug 1999, 4189 posts, RR: 34
Reply 3, posted (9 years 9 months 2 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 11380 times:
Suppose they have learned from their Chapter 11 experience that it does not necessarily make sense to order shiny new planes every year. Their 767s are mostly quite young, and there shouldn't be any real need for them to order the 787 or 350 anytime soon - and there will be quite a few 767s available in the coming years.
Still, if it happens their choice will depend on how the market itself has and will develop. Stronger growth will be a plus for the slightly larger A350, less growth for the 787. And we shouldn't forget that quite some bc exit financing came from Boeing Capital IIRC.
B6sea From United States of America, joined Aug 2005, 340 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (9 years 9 months 2 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 11119 times:
Quoting GoCOgo (Reply 7): So, any ideas if the expansion will be on the west coast to already served markets, new markets in the west, or new markets in the midwest, south, or east coast?
I've heard talk of JFK and ORD, but I personally think you'll see more asia routes (KIX, NGO, HKG, NRT-probably no way they'll get slots). Or MEL is a possibility. I know some people who went to Australia last summer on HA from SEA and just transferred in HNL, said it was a decent flight and better than transferring in LAX, so maybe they have a small niche in Transpac. flights.
Wjcandee From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 5903 posts, RR: 22
Reply 10, posted (9 years 9 months 2 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 11038 times:
Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 1): Has TZ given up on trying to find GE equipped B-767-300ERs? Or have they settled on completing "D" checks on all of their L-1011-500?
I don't think that this is an either/or situation. I'm pretty sure that the latest from ATA is that one of their 5 L1011s (the non-500, 194AT) is being retired Feb. 28, as it has the old engines (-22B) which are not widely available. Two of the -500s should be good to go for some time, having just been D-checked (one of those, 163AT, should be finishing up the D-check and back shortly if it isn't already). The other two have some time before this will become an issue for them. I believe that if ATA can find one or more 767-300ERs at a price that works for them, they will lease them rather than D-check any more L1011s.
C680 From United States of America, joined Apr 2005, 589 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (9 years 9 months 2 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 10700 times:
HA is being smart here. Most normal folks are concerned about the fare more than anything else. The non -ER 767-300 planes are perfect for HA's west coast flights, and I'm sure the price was right. Who needs brand new iron when there are excellent planes on the secondary market? Besides, 4000+ nm is still a very long range. We have just gotten accustomed to seeing super long range planes being made by Boeing and Airbus.
From the looks of it, the 763 works well for HA.
HNL (21°19'07"N 157°55'21"W) LAX (33°56'33"N 118°24'29"W) 2221 nm
HNL (21°19'07"N 157°55'21"W) LAS (36°04'49"N 115°09'08"W) 2400 nm
HNL (21°19'07"N 157°55'21"W) NRT (35°45'53"N 140°23'11"E) 3318 nm
HNL (21°19'07"N 157°55'21"W) ORD (41°58'43"N 87°54'17"W) 3688 nm
Boeing 767-300 Range 4230 nm
HNL (21°19'07"N 157°55'21"W) JFK (40°38'23"N 73°46'44"W) 4330 nm
HNL (21°19'07"N 157°55'21"W) SYD (33°56'46"S 151°10'38"E) 4403 nm
Boeing 767-300ER range 5500 nm
Heck, most trans-Atlantic runs are less than 4000 nm!
IAD (38°56'40"N 77°27'21"W) CDG (49°00'35"N 02°32'52"E) 3355 nm
JFK (40°38'23"N 73°46'44"W) LHR (51°28'39"N 00°27'41"W) 2999 nm
ORD (41°58'43"N 87°54'17"W) FRA (50°01'35"N 08°32'35"E) 3774 nm
HALFA From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 1414 posts, RR: 14
Reply 16, posted (9 years 9 months 2 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 10484 times:
Some answers to your questions.
Quoting BR715-A1-30 (Reply 4): Which of Hawaiian's 767s are new/were acquired new directly from Boeing... If I remember correctly, it was 580-582 and 587-595... But I just wanted to be sure.
Your list is almost correct. Hawaiian never took delivery of AC 594-595. A decision with deep regret by management.
Quoting Avi8tir (Reply 5): I thought these 763's that Delta gave back were non -ER versions. Can anyone confirm this?
You are correct. The 767's that HA will acquire are not ER versions.
Quoting Flydl2atl (Reply 6): If I recall Delta has 4 Non-ER 767s that have P&W engines...different from there other 24. I believe these are the 4 that HA is picking up.
Hawaiian is getting 4 767's with G.E. engines and not the P&W engines that all of our other 767's have. As our CEO has told the employees in a memo today, beggars can't be choosers!
Quoting Bluewave 707 (Reply 11): This will be a great opportunity for HA to re-instate the red-eye to LAX, which discontinued; and increased frequencies to other cities as well.
Absolutely! Although the redeye to LAX has already been reinstated. Currently it runs just 3 or 4 days per week but with the addition of 4 more airplanes to the fleet, look for that flight to go daily as well as increasing service on HNL-SEA double daily and a daily SAN-OGG and a few surprises thrown in.
This is GREAT news for HA. To all of our furlough employees out there, welcome back!!!
Vegasplanes From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 778 posts, RR: 2
Reply 19, posted (9 years 9 months 2 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 10104 times:
Quoting B6sea (Reply 9): I know some people who went to Australia last summer on HA from SEA and just transferred in HNL, said it was a decent flight and better than transferring in LAX, so maybe they have a small niche in Transpac. flights.
That really is a strategy that HA should try to exploit more often, HNL is a nice stopping point on a trans-pac flight, for those of us who can't deal with 10-12 flights. This would work well with their existing route system from US West Coast to HA Islands and beyond to Australia/Asia etc. Incremental revenue never hurts.
B6FA4ever From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 821 posts, RR: 10
Reply 20, posted (9 years 9 months 2 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 9817 times:
this is awsome news! hopefully we'll see added service to SAN either an additional frequency to HNL or a year round SAN-OGG flight.
but here's a question for those i'm sure has answers for...
Hawaii in general has great loads to/from: asia, south pacific, and US/Canada...but what about Mexico and S. America? I remember years back (i'm thinking more in the late 80's) that i saw a Mexicana DC-10 in HNL (gold stripes along the fusulage w/ black titles). Did MX have non-stop service to HNL? was it a continuation flight to Asia/Oz?
Will HA ever return to GUM (Guam) or AKL?
pretty much the possibilities are endless. i love working our SAN and SMF flights cause HA is there already when we land and i get to see Pualani!
PanAm747LHR From United States of America, joined Sep 2005, 240 posts, RR: 1
Reply 24, posted (9 years 9 months 2 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 9049 times:
Quoting Trvlr (Reply 17): As far as "surprises" go, I wonder if HA will make a go of the Asian market.
I can't say that I'd be too surprised to see HA try to make a jump in the Japanese market. Given the vast amount of traffic between Japan and Hawaii, I can't imagine that they wouldn't be able to at least pull off NRT or KIX a few times a week. It'll certainly be interesting to see where they end up deploying these aircraft, and if they do indeed use them to open up new markets.
: I would really love to see HA come to the East Coast. I really enjoy their product and service and, if they could handle the range, much prefer 10-11
: I doubt HA will get slots at NRT, but service has been cut to FUK & KIX and possibly CTS & SDJ used to have direct links to HNL.
: I agree that it would be good to see HA on the East Coast. I know that CO enjoys very good loads year round on CO14/15 - their non-stop EWR-HNL run. H
: I have always thought that Hawaiian could pull a lot of west coast traffic to Asia (in addition to its O&D passengers) if they could present HNL as a
: Man, this plane name is as good as "Kamanawanaleiu"
: Maybe NGO, but we are already kind of over kill with 1 JL 747 and 1 CO 767. I don't think there is the market left here, but it would be nice to have