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Air Canada To GRU Now With The A343  
User currently offlineHagic From Canada, joined Jan 2006, 159 posts, RR: 0
Posted (8 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 5523 times:

Hello folks,

This may seem outdated but I just learned that AC is now flying YYZ-GRU with the A343! I've taken this flight a number of times in the past but on the B763, so this is kind of surprising to me.

So YYZ-GRU is the only southbound AC flight with the A343.

Moreover, it is the only flight within the Americas with any A340, if we consider that LA only flies its two A343 to European destinations.

Is this correct?


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User currently offlineB742 From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2005, 3766 posts, RR: 19
Reply 1, posted (8 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 5504 times:

Quoting Hagic (Thread starter):
Moreover, it is the only flight within the Americas with any A340, if we consider that LA only flies its two A343 to European destinations.

Is this correct?

Nope, for example Aerolineas Argentinas operates the A340 between EZE and MIA and JFK  Smile

Quoting Hagic (Thread starter):
if we consider that LA only flies its two A343 to European destinations.

LAN actualy has 4 A340-300's, they are to get more also I think  Smile

Rob!  wave 


User currently offlineA342 From Germany, joined Jul 2005, 4680 posts, RR: 3
Reply 2, posted (8 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 5504 times:

Quoting Hagic (Thread starter):
LA only flies its two A343 to European destinations.

I thought they had 4 or 5 of them ?



Exceptions confirm the rule.
User currently offlineHardiwv From Brazil, joined Oct 2004, 8780 posts, RR: 50
Reply 3, posted (8 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 5452 times:

Quoting Hagic (Thread starter):
This may seem outdated but I just learned that AC is now flying YYZ-GRU with the A343! I've taken this flight a number of times in the past but on the B763, so this is kind of surprising to me.

AC is operating the A343 daily YYZ-GRU since October/05. The route has shown excellent results for AC therefore the increase in capacity.

Please read:

AC Upgrades GRU To A340 Service (by PPVRA Jul 1 2005 in Civil Aviation)

AC President In Brazil: E175 And A340 To GRU (by Hardiwv Jul 30 2005 in Civil Aviation)

Rgs,


User currently offlineFLYACYYZ From Canada, joined Jan 2004, 1914 posts, RR: 12
Reply 4, posted (8 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 5393 times:

Quoting Hardiwv (Reply 3):
AC is operating the A343 daily YYZ-GRU since October/05. The route has shown excellent results for AC therefore the increase in capacity.

Results have been great, but looks like it's going back to the 763 for the summer schedule--presume the aircraft is required elsewhere.



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User currently offlineHagic From Canada, joined Jan 2006, 159 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (8 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 5345 times:

Quoting Hardiwv (Reply 3):
AC is operating the A343 daily YYZ-GRU since October/05. The route has shown excellent results for AC therefore the increase in capacity.

Please read:

AC Upgrades GRU To A340 Service (by PPVRA Jul 1 2005 in Civil Aviation)

AC President In Brazil: E175 And A340 To GRU (by Hardiwv Jul 30 2005 in Civil Aviation)

Thanks a lot Hardiwv. My search for this topic before posting it yielded no matches. I will certainly improve my keyword search next time. I apologize for this.

Quoting FLYACYYZ (Reply 4):
Results have been great, but looks like it's going back to the 763 for the summer schedule--presume the aircraft is required elsewhere

I've been in this flight a number of times... It is always completely full, both ways, any season... For anyone taking this flight on the GRU direction, I suggest booking a left-hand side window: The view of dawn and sunrise over the Atlantic Ocean is gorgeous...



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User currently offlineHardiwv From Brazil, joined Oct 2004, 8780 posts, RR: 50
Reply 6, posted (8 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 5286 times:

Quoting Hagic (Reply 5):
Thanks a lot Hardiwv.

My pleasure!

Quoting FLYACYYZ (Reply 4):
Results have been great, but looks like it's going back to the 763 for the summer schedule--presume the aircraft is required elsewhere.

Maybe because AC will finaly land in GIG? YYZ-GIG would be an interesting route 3 x week nonstop.

Rgs,


User currently offlineSebring From Canada, joined Jul 2004, 1663 posts, RR: 14
Reply 7, posted (8 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 5243 times:

Quoting Hardiwv (Reply 6):
Maybe because AC will finaly land in GIG? YYZ-GIG would be an interesting route 3 x week nonstop.

Rgs,

They don't have enough A340s. AC has to inaugurate YYZ-PVG 3x weekly and that will take up almost an entire aircraft. AC is not adding 340s since the 777s are coming next year.


User currently offlineYULWinterSkies From United States of America, joined Jun 2005, 2176 posts, RR: 5
Reply 8, posted (8 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 5218 times:

Quoting B742 (Reply 1):
Quoting Hagic (Thread starter):Moreover, it is the only flight within the Americas with any A340, if we consider that LA only flies its two A343 to European destinations.

Is this correct?

Nope, for example Aerolineas Argentinas operates the A340 between EZE and MIA and JFK  

Air Jamaica also flies to JFK with a 340-300.

LA flies its 4 340s to Europe + Oceania, but NAm is only 767.



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User currently offlineCayMan From Canada, joined Aug 2003, 905 posts, RR: 9
Reply 9, posted (8 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 5192 times:

Could AC use the 333s on the route too--I assume they have the range? What difference would there be in using the 343s over the 333s if there are a/c available?

Can we asume that YYZ GRU is thus a possible 777 route if they are using the 343s there already?


User currently offlineLipeGIG From Brazil, joined May 2005, 11416 posts, RR: 59
Reply 10, posted (8 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 5095 times:
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AC will receive back from RG one 767-300ER, now under brazilian registration PP-VPV, in two or three months.

Quoting Hardiwv (Reply 6):
Maybe because AC will finaly land in GIG? YYZ-GIG would be an interesting route 3 x week nonstop.

Could be a smart move. A YYZ-JFK-GIG also can give good profits.


Felipe



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User currently offlineBN747 From United States of America, joined Mar 2002, 5613 posts, RR: 51
Reply 11, posted (8 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 5082 times:

Quoting Hagic (Thread starter):
if we consider that LA only flies its two A343 to European destinations.



Quoting YULWinterSkies (Reply 8):
LA flies its 4 340s to Europe + Oceania, but NAm is only 767.

LA currently has two A343 services to LAX a week. TueFri via LIM.
The rest is 763 svc.


BN747



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User currently offlineFLYACYYZ From Canada, joined Jan 2004, 1914 posts, RR: 12
Reply 12, posted (8 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 5010 times:

Quoting Sebring (Reply 7):
They don't have enough A340s. AC has to inaugurate YYZ-PVG 3x weekly and that will take up almost an entire aircraft. AC is not adding 340s since the 777s are coming next year.

Again, it's the proverbial aircraft shortage situation. YYZ-PEK was supposed to be daily on the 343, but now shares a 4/3 split with PVG. The 343 was supposed to remain on the GRU route year round, but it's operating YYZ-LHR, YYZ-FRA & YYZ-ICN for the summer, in addition to many of the Asia flights. Anybody have a 340 to spare??

In addition, obtaining the extra 763 from Varig will allow AC to replace the dubious "Club Class" cabin with true Executive First on the YYZ-FCO run.



Above and Beyond
User currently offlineA342 From Germany, joined Jul 2005, 4680 posts, RR: 3
Reply 13, posted (8 years 5 months 1 week 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 4743 times:

Quoting CayMan (Reply 9):
Could AC use the 333s on the route too--I assume they have the range? What difference would there be in using the 343s over the 333s if there are a/c available?

They could as the route is about 8200 km long and the A333 has a max. range of 10500 km. However, they cannot take a full payload as the A333´s range with max. payload is about 7200 km.

To sum it up, AC would use the A333 if cargo revenues were not so good. If they want to take off with a full belly, they´d have to use the A343.



Exceptions confirm the rule.
User currently offlineFLYACYYZ From Canada, joined Jan 2004, 1914 posts, RR: 12
Reply 14, posted (8 years 5 months 1 week 3 days 12 hours ago) and read 4725 times:

Quoting A342 (Reply 13):
To sum it up, AC would use the A333 if cargo revenues were not so good

Question answered. Cargo is generally packed out of South America to Canada.



Above and Beyond
User currently offlineKrisYYZ From Canada, joined Nov 2004, 1593 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (8 years 5 months 1 week 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 4693 times:

Quoting FLYACYYZ (Reply 12):
Again, it's the proverbial aircraft shortage situation.

Wow, that ACPA vote last year really messed up AC's aircraft ops. If it weren't for the cancellation of the original Boeing order, AC would be getting its first B773ER next month thereby freeing up more A340 for Asia and S. America.

IMO I can see GRU being a B772LR route if the loads warrant it. I could even see an YYZ-MIA-GRU route, AC taking away some U.S/Brazilian business with its new products on its B777s.

Quoting FLYACYYZ (Reply 12):
Anybody have a 340 to spare??

I hope Air Jamaica doesn't, I flew on AC's 340-312 (the one from JM ) what a disgrace!! How could AC put that plane into service? On landing in YYZ some of the overhead containers opened up spilling bags everywhere.

Krisyyz


User currently offlineJJMNGR From Brazil, joined May 2004, 1018 posts, RR: 15
Reply 16, posted (8 years 5 months 1 week 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 4677 times:

It is not the first time AC uses the A343 to GRU but like posted above seems they change equipment very often because since AC flies to GRU the changed from B763 to A343 and v.v many times.

User currently offlineFLYACYYZ From Canada, joined Jan 2004, 1914 posts, RR: 12
Reply 17, posted (8 years 5 months 1 week 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 4669 times:

Quoting KrisYYZ (Reply 15):
I hope Air Jamaica doesn't, I flew on AC's 340-312 (the one from JM ) what a disgrace!! How could AC put that plane into service? On landing in YYZ some of the overhead containers opened up spilling bags everywhere.

A.K.A fin 983. Don't know when you flew on that fin, but the aircraft was pressed into service last summer, allowing the company to operate the YYZ-PEK & YYZ-ICN routes as planned. Alot of man hours has been spent on that bird addressing the internal cabin snags, it was delivered in less than stellar shape. Have flown it recently, and while from a cabin service point of view hate the layout, it's posed few problems. Lets just hope we don't take on one of the BW A340's...apparently they're really beat up.

Never had the issue with the overheads opening. With all due respect, could just be that our customers didn't secure them properly, and the crew didn't pick up on it.

[Edited 2006-02-15 16:14:47]


Above and Beyond
User currently offlineBeechNut From Canada, joined Apr 2004, 722 posts, RR: 10
Reply 18, posted (8 years 5 months 1 week 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 4642 times:

Quoting KrisYYZ (Reply 15):
I hope Air Jamaica doesn't, I flew on AC's 340-312 (the one from JM ) what a disgrace!! How could AC put that plane into service? On landing in YYZ some of the overhead containers opened up spilling bags everywhere.

That due to the plane or the pilot's landing?  Smile


User currently offlineKrisYYZ From Canada, joined Nov 2004, 1593 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (8 years 5 months 1 week 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 4642 times:

Quoting FLYACYYZ (Reply 17):
Don't know when you flew on that fin, but the aircraft was pressed into service last summer

I flew her LHR-YYZ in 08/05, Im glade to hear that AC has put some work into her.

Quoting BeechNut (Reply 18):
That due to the plane or the pilot's landing?

Point taken, but I would say the plane. I've flown dozens of times on AC and I have to say I never experienced a hard landing, maybe less graceful ones on the 767, but that too is more plane and less pilot.

Krisyyz


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